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Jul 9, 2008 12:59:13 AM

easy_rider911: Rennteam VIP; Loc: London , United Kingdom; Posts: 22190, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 8, 2004; Reply to: reginos

Re: PDK Test & Review

Guys, I have written a full report (with photos) on my subjective impressions of the Mk2 997 (and in particular PDK) at the PDE held on 8 July 2008 on this thread:

http://www.rennteam.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=450455&page=0&fpart=all&vc=1

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Jul 9, 2008 6:01:44 AM

Nico997: Pilot; Loc: Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 393, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 8, 2004; Reply to: reginos

Re: PDK Test & Review

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reginos said:
Honestly you must be "heel and toe hero" and track driver "par excellence" (excuse my French)to beat PDK by using a manual gearbox. This is my humble opinion anyway.

Precisely, given that the manual is half a second faster in exercises like 80-120km/h, I am not sure that we need to be such a experienced driver to beat the PDK version. Not speaking in terms of how fast gears can be changed, but in overall performances. In that respect, it would be interesting to see how the manual and PDK compare in a track lap.

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Jul 9, 2008 9:01:29 AM

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Cyprus; Posts: 12130, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 20, 2005; Reply to: Nico997

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Nico997 said:
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reginos said:
Honestly you must be "heel and toe hero" and track driver "par excellence" (excuse my French)to beat PDK by using a manual gearbox. This is my humble opinion anyway.

Precisely, given that the manual is half a second faster in exercises like 80-120km/h, I am not sure that we need to be such a experienced driver to beat the PDK version. Not speaking in terms of how fast gears can be changed, but in overall performances. In that respect, it would be interesting to see how the manual and PDK compare in a track lap.

Is it clear if these exercises are manual vs PDK in auto,or manual vs PDK in "manual" mode?
Second, a fairer and truer comparison would be a lap time on a circuit or timing a distance on demanding public road with many bends that you need to change up and down numerous timesand there we shall be able to see if time is gained or lost by using either system. Personally, I find these set timings (even the 0-100km in which PDK is faster) somewhat artificial and although indicative, of limited value in real world driving.

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Jul 9, 2008 8:01:54 PM

STRADALE: Rennteam VIP; Loc: NY , United States; Posts: 11075, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 9, 2005; Reply to: reginos

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Was reading my "Car" magazine yesterday. They tested a PDK car & said the stick is better for purists. Forget their exact language but they also didnt like the PDK's push/pull deal. Still cant believe Porsche didnt come out w/ real paddles like in Ferrari's.

If you are used to different automated manual system, like auto journalists that drive many cars, then you need a few more minutes to get used to the Porsche system. For all of us that only drove manual up to now it takes a few miles/kilometers of driving, which is nothing really. IMO the whole push/pull debate is extremely exagerated.

Porsche S PDK is the ultimate supercar for the price of a premium mainstream car. Drive one an you will be hooked, as they say

I dont think so. It's very similiar to the tip w/ buttons on the steering wheel & I cant stand that & have never been able to get comfortable w/ it. If you've ever owned a car w/ paddles on the steering column like an F430 you'd know what I'm referring to. shift buttons on the steering wheel just doesnt compare.

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Jul 10, 2008 6:38:25 AM

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Cyprus; Posts: 12130, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 20, 2005; Reply to: STRADALE

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STRADALE said:
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reginos said:
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STRADALE said:
Was reading my "Car" magazine yesterday. They tested a PDK car & said the stick is better for purists. Forget their exact language but they also didnt like the PDK's push/pull deal. Still cant believe Porsche didnt come out w/ real paddles like in Ferrari's.

If you are used to different automated manual system, like auto journalists that drive many cars, then you need a few more minutes to get used to the Porsche system. For all of us that only drove manual up to now it takes a few miles/kilometers of driving, which is nothing really. IMO the whole push/pull debate is extremely exagerated.

Porsche S PDK is the ultimate supercar for the price of a premium mainstream car. Drive one an you will be hooked, as they say

I dont think so. It's very similiar to the tip w/ buttons on the steering wheel & I cant stand that & have never been able to get comfortable w/ it. If you've ever owned a car w/ paddles on the steering column like an F430 you'd know what I'm referring to. shift buttons on the steering wheel just doesnt compare.

I don't know about the F430 but I drive a VW with DSG with right + and left - and I cannot say that it is better or worse than the PDK system.

The new buttons are much much better and more natural than the old tip. Because, for -minus you don't have to press the lower part of the button like in tip but you pull the rear upper part from behind which is more convenient and ergonomic. Moreover, I found that the facility of using the stick very convenient too which is absent from some syastems. In some situations when you want to change down with the wheel turned, you just flick the stick which is quick and easy.

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