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Re: Yeeoowww - the GT2 mark-up games begin....
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EastBay said:
Just quoted by my dealer, who gets allocated one GT2, $75,000 over sticker....hmmm, $265,000, maybe the F430 looks like a bargain after all!
You can't even buy a used F430 Spider for that!! Saw one priced over $300k recently.
Re: Yeeoowww - the GT2 mark-up games begin....
Hah. That is rediculous. Thanks for the info.
The problem is in a few years you will lose 150k. At that price point, much better to get a Ferrari.
I would get a pristine 360 Stradale, or maybe just tune a 997 Turbo. Hell, you can even get a RUF if you want something exotic.
The problem is in a few years you will lose 150k. At that price point, much better to get a Ferrari.
I would get a pristine 360 Stradale, or maybe just tune a 997 Turbo. Hell, you can even get a RUF if you want something exotic.
Oct 26, 2007 6:44:11 PM
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Re: Yeeoowww - the GT2 mark-up games begin....
I can't believe Porsche NA would let their dealers get away with that crap. I know BMW doesn't. When the new M5 came out, BMW Canada would call the customer directly confirming the price they paid, and the customer had to agree not to export the vehicle for one year, and give the dealer first rights to buy the car back in that 12 month time frame. The penalty to the dealer for adding a markup or selling to a broker was that the next time a new vehicle came out, they would be at the bottom of the list for allocation.
Charging a premium over retail is a little unscrupulous and if I were a long time customer of that dealer and wanted the car I'd be more than a little pissed.
Charging a premium over retail is a little unscrupulous and if I were a long time customer of that dealer and wanted the car I'd be more than a little pissed.
Oct 26, 2007 9:51:12 PM
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Re: Yeeoowww - the GT2 mark-up games begin....
My guess is the car will go to a most favored customer, they drive it for a while, then consign it back to the dealer, which most of the GT3 RS cars seem to be doing. Keeps the dealer out of trouble, they get two bites at the apple, the customer gets to drive a great car, etc etc.
Re: Yeeoowww - the GT2 mark-up games begin....
I was at my dealer the other day configuring my July build GT2 and I am paying full sticker $209,565.00. I never thought I would spend that kind of money on a single car, but what the hell you only live once. I have already had offers for my spot, so time will tell what the market will bring for these cars.
Oct 27, 2007 2:19:39 AM
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Re: Yeeoowww - the GT2 mark-up games begin....
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I was at my dealer the other day configuring my July build GT2 and I am paying full sticker $209,565.00. I never thought I would spend that kind of money on a single car, but what the hell you only live once. I have already had offers for my spot, so time will tell what the market will bring for these cars.
There was no mark up?
Oct 27, 2007 2:32:30 AM
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Oct 27, 2007 3:07:04 AM
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Re: Yeeoowww - the GT2 mark-up games begin....
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I can't believe Porsche NA would let their dealers get away with that crap. I know BMW doesn't. When the new M5 came out, BMW Canada would call the customer directly confirming the price they paid, and the customer had to agree not to export the vehicle for one year, and give the dealer first rights to buy the car back in that 12 month time frame. The penalty to the dealer for adding a markup or selling to a broker was that the next time a new vehicle came out, they would be at the bottom of the list for allocation.
Not from my experience. BMW dealers just put a couple hundred miles on the car and sell it as a used vehicle.
Oct 27, 2007 4:04:50 AM
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Re: Yeeoowww - the GT2 mark-up games begin....
My dealer got one car. I was #2 I have a deposit down. I have called around to other dealers. My salesman has called around to other dealers. You guys have helped with leads. I have talked to dealers who want 30k to 50K over. I am not paying 30K over MSRP for a 200K car. So I guess I will wait until 2012 and buy one for 30K 
under.
under.
Oct 27, 2007 4:35:39 AM
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Oct 27, 2007 5:37:25 AM
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Re: Yeeoowww - the GT2 mark-up games begin....
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Let me guess...the first one is going to the owner? Are they going to get another allocation for you?
Unlike their GT3RS allocation it did not go to the owner. I am OK with it. It went to someone else, so I cant fault them. I was not first in line. My fault. I usually am. Its OK, I may buy their first 08 TurboS PDK should it come out this year.
Re: Yeeoowww - the GT2 mark-up games begin....
Only the very foolish will participate in that game. Come on, its still a 911. If your willing to pay 265,000 for a 97 GT2 and want a porsche, then buy a carrera GT at 325,000-350,000. I would think most people willing to spend 265,000 on a car, can spend another 60,000-80,000 especially if they are not going to lose 100,000 in a year. People were paying 50k over for the first 996 GT2's. Whats a 265,000 997 GT2 worth when the new 998 GT2 comes out? Or even when a turbo S comes out with nearly as much hp? Or perhaps when the 997 GT2 mkII comes out?
Oct 27, 2007 7:01:59 AM
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Re: Yeeoowww - the GT2 mark-up games begin....
Hello Tom.. Log time no see... I how you are fine.. Are you in Us or Athens?
I agree with you.. (especially now that the new Gt2 is still manual..)
On the other hand Cgt is a very agreesive car This moror is like Kawasaki bike...
I drove one and it remind me more of the Ferrari.. Unpredictable and very expensive at maintain cost..
I agree with you.. (especially now that the new Gt2 is still manual..)
On the other hand Cgt is a very agreesive car This moror is like Kawasaki bike...
I drove one and it remind me more of the Ferrari.. Unpredictable and very expensive at maintain cost..
Re: Yeeoowww - the GT2 mark-up games begin....
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Low miles CGT are $400k now, not 350 anymore...
I predicted last years prices at were the bottom and am happy i bought my 1200 mi. 2005 for $330,000. I missed a brand new 2005 for 355,000 from a porscher dealer. In either case im not aware of any instances where paying over sticker for a porsche that u intend to keep for at least 1 year turned out to be smart.
Re: Yeeoowww - the GT2 mark-up games begin....
Above MSRP prices reflect both dealers w/o robust base of repeat buyers....and buyers who have failed to establish a relationship w/a well-run dealer....Darwinian selection on several levels.... 
Real question is one's likely deprec cost after one yr of use....some cars retain much of premia for first yr or so post-launch; others don't....
Concept of ascribing value to elderly, used cars like Enzo/CGT (or a GT2 one yr post-launch) is always amusing....similar to game of determining what some frugal Luddite is willing to pay for a 3-4yo, used smartphone/Blkberry/laptop that was arguably leading-edge in its day....or what some sucker (sorry, collector) is willing to pay for used underwear (or used car) w/the "desired" brand/vintage/prior owner... 
Present value of consumption is as relevant as present value of money....most would rather enjoy a new-tech toy today than some time in future.....after all, one's own ability to enjoy consumption may be depreciated in future due to health, etc....
Real question is one's likely deprec cost after one yr of use....some cars retain much of premia for first yr or so post-launch; others don't....
Concept of ascribing value to elderly, used cars like Enzo/CGT (or a GT2 one yr post-launch) is always amusing....similar to game of determining what some frugal Luddite is willing to pay for a 3-4yo, used smartphone/Blkberry/laptop that was arguably leading-edge in its day....or what some sucker (sorry, collector
) is willing to pay for used underwear (or used car) w/the "desired" brand/vintage/prior owner... Present value of consumption is as relevant as present value of money....most would rather enjoy a new-tech toy today than some time in future.....after all, one's own ability to enjoy consumption may be depreciated in future due to health, etc....
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Above MSRP prices reflect both dealers w/o robust base of repeat buyers....and buyers who have failed to establish a relationship w/a well-run dealer....Darwinian selection on several levels....
Real question is one's likely deprec cost after one yr of use....some cars retain much of premia for first yr or so post-launch; others don't....
Concept of ascribing value to elderly, used cars like Enzo/CGT (or a GT2 one yr post-launch) is always amusing....similar to game of determining what some frugal Luddite is willing to pay for a 3-4yo, used smartphone/Blkberry/laptop that was arguably leading-edge in its day....or what some sucker (sorry, collector
Present value of consumption is as relevant as present value of money....most would rather enjoy a new-tech toy today than some time in future.....after all, one's own ability to enjoy consumption may be depreciated in future due to health, etc....
WBH, great post and written with tongue slightly in cheek I presume (hope)
If you believe that the CGT was "leading edge in its day" then could you detail how Porsche has advanced technologically from the CGT ? With the exception of tyres I can't see them offering anything today as cutting edge as the CGT STILL is ?
Oct 29, 2007 10:00:04 PM
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Oct 30, 2007 5:11:48 AM
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Re: Yeeoowww - the GT2 mark-up games begin....
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I suspect these will be SHORT term premiums....Porsche is a company seeking profits, it will build more if need be no?
I am completely pissed off about this GT2 CRAP. They are advertising for Christ's sake. I tried to call Porsche cars North America today to Complain and there is no one to even take my calls. I have spent $500,000 in cars in the last 5 years and I want to give them $200,000 more and they won't even take my money(or my calls) and they are advertising in Esquire magazine like I can buy this car. If someone knows someone at PCNA, I would like them to call me.
Oct 30, 2007 12:19:49 PM
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bostonmini said:
I suspect these will be SHORT term premiums....Porsche is a company seeking profits, it will build more if need be no?
I am completely pissed off about this GT2 CRAP. They are advertising for Christ's sake. I tried to call Porsche cars North America today to Complain and there is no one to even take my calls. I have spent $500,000 in cars in the last 5 years and I want to give them $200,000 more and they won't even take my money(or my calls) and they are advertising in Esquire magazine like I can buy this car. If someone knows someone at PCNA, I would like them to call me.
Precisely! the advertising is why I suspect the car will be available after production ramps up, I never saw a GT3RS ad, so that I understand (homologation etc) but the GT2 is strictly a road car....
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Low miles CGT are $400k now, not 350 anymore...
$347,900 "Buy It Now" on ebay. If you consider 7300 miles low miles.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/04-Carrer...1QQcmdZViewItem
or
$329,500 Hi miles - 22,500
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Fully-mod...1QQcmdZViewItem
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