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I don't think DC would want to come back to McLaren after the way Dennis treated him. He is a much happy person after his departure from McLaren.

Anyway, I don't know why the driver that would go to McLaren (if Alonso leaves) have to be the 2nd driver behind Hamilton. Where is the equality? Why does Hamilton deserve the n*1 status after the way he has lost the Championship in the last two races? Only because he is Dennis' iligetimate son?

Because with same team support as Raikkonen had, Hamilton would win championship.

And dont blame Hamilton for everything, he had a lot of bad luck this year - 2× tyre fault, in China I dont know why they didnt call him on pit stop and gear box problem on last race. Without one bad luck - for example in Turkey where he lost 3rd place because of tyre explosion, he would be world champion. He did awesome job for his rookie year.

The same can be said about Alonso (a 2 WDC, you seem to forget that way to easily). If the team would have left him overtake Hamilton at Indy or if A.Hamliton wouldn't have complained to the FIA at Hungaroring he would have won the championship. And I'm not the only one who say this, Prost said the same a week ago, if they had given the n*1 status to Alonso they'd have won the title before the last race.

But that is Dennis' problem not Kimi's fault so don't try to devaluate his victory.

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antonio_spain said:
Alex, are you from UK?

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I don't think DC would want to come back to McLaren after the way Dennis treated him. He is a much happy person after his departure from McLaren.

Anyway, I don't know why the driver that would go to McLaren (if Alonso leaves) have to be the 2nd driver behind Hamilton. Where is the equality? Why does Hamilton deserve the n*1 status after the way he has lost the Championship in the last two races? Only because he is Dennis' iligetimate son?

Because with same team support as Raikkonen had, Hamilton would win championship.

And dont blame Hamilton for everything, he had a lot of bad luck this year - 2× tyre fault, in China I dont know why they didnt call him on pit stop and gear box problem on last race. Without one bad luck - for example in Turkey where he lost 3rd place because of tyre explosion, he would be world champion. He did awesome job for his rookie year.

The same can be said about Alonso (a 2 WDC, you seem to forget that way to easily). If the team would have left him overtake Hamilton at Indy or if A.Hamliton wouldn't have complained to the FIA at Hungaroring he would have won the championship. And I'm not the only one who say this, Prost said the same a week ago, if they had given the n*1 status to Alonso they'd have won the title before the last race.

But that is Dennis' problem not Kimi's fault so don't try to devaluate his victory.

I never said he isnt good, but if he cant beat his team mate, then he dont deserve No.1 status. Michael Schumacher had no.1 status, but he wasnt beaten by rookie.

If Hamilton would have no.1 status he would already be champion too.

At the end of the day, experienced driver, two times world champion, is behind rookie in same car. So he deserve no.1 status ? Was Barrichello or Irvine infront of Schumacher at the end of the season ?

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I don't think DC would want to come back to McLaren after the way Dennis treated him. He is a much happy person after his departure from McLaren.

Anyway, I don't know why the driver that would go to McLaren (if Alonso leaves) have to be the 2nd driver behind Hamilton. Where is the equality? Why does Hamilton deserve the n*1 status after the way he has lost the Championship in the last two races? Only because he is Dennis' iligetimate son?

Because with same team support as Raikkonen had, Hamilton would win championship.

And dont blame Hamilton for everything, he had a lot of bad luck this year - 2× tyre fault, in China I dont know why they didnt call him on pit stop and gear box problem on last race. Without one bad luck - for example in Turkey where he lost 3rd place because of tyre explosion, he would be world champion. He did awesome job for his rookie year.

The same can be said about Alonso (a 2 WDC, you seem to forget that way to easily). If the team would have left him overtake Hamilton at Indy or if A.Hamliton wouldn't have complained to the FIA at Hungaroring he would have won the championship. And I'm not the only one who say this, Prost said the same a week ago, if they had given the n*1 status to Alonso they'd have won the title before the last race.

But that is Dennis' problem not Kimi's fault so don't try to devaluate his victory.

I never said he isnt good, but if he cant beat his team mate, then he dont deserve No.1 status. Michael Schumacher had no.1 status, but he wasnt beaten by rookie.

If Hamilton would have no.1 status he would already be champion too.

At the end of the day, experienced driver, two times world champion, is behind rookie in same car. So he deserve no.1 status ? Was Barrichello or Irvine infront of Schumacher at the end of the season ?

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I don't think DC would want to come back to McLaren after the way Dennis treated him. He is a much happy person after his departure from McLaren.

Anyway, I don't know why the driver that would go to McLaren (if Alonso leaves) have to be the 2nd driver behind Hamilton. Where is the equality? Why does Hamilton deserve the n*1 status after the way he has lost the Championship in the last two races? Only because he is Dennis' iligetimate son?

Because with same team support as Raikkonen had, Hamilton would win championship.

And dont blame Hamilton for everything, he had a lot of bad luck this year - 2× tyre fault, in China I dont know why they didnt call him on pit stop and gear box problem on last race. Without one bad luck - for example in Turkey where he lost 3rd place because of tyre explosion, he would be world champion. He did awesome job for his rookie year.

The same can be said about Alonso (a 2 WDC, you seem to forget that way to easily). If the team would have left him overtake Hamilton at Indy or if A.Hamliton wouldn't have complained to the FIA at Hungaroring he would have won the championship. And I'm not the only one who say this, Prost said the same a week ago, if they had given the n*1 status to Alonso they'd have won the title before the last race.

But that is Dennis' problem not Kimi's fault so don't try to devaluate his victory.

I never said he isnt good, but if he cant beat his team mate, then he dont deserve No.1 status. Michael Schumacher had no.1 status, but he wasnt beaten by rookie.

If Hamilton would have no.1 status he would already be champion too.

At the end of the day, experienced driver, two times world champion, is behind rookie in same car. So he deserve no.1 status ? Was Barrichello or Irvine infront of Schumacher at the end of the season ?

He is behind the rookie because he was racing against Ferrari and against his own team. And obvoiusly Hamilton is better than Irvine and Barrichello, but Alonso beat Schuey twice, that makes him automatically better than the German?

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I don't think DC would want to come back to McLaren after the way Dennis treated him. He is a much happy person after his departure from McLaren.

Anyway, I don't know why the driver that would go to McLaren (if Alonso leaves) have to be the 2nd driver behind Hamilton. Where is the equality? Why does Hamilton deserve the n*1 status after the way he has lost the Championship in the last two races? Only because he is Dennis' iligetimate son?

Because with same team support as Raikkonen had, Hamilton would win championship.

And dont blame Hamilton for everything, he had a lot of bad luck this year - 2× tyre fault, in China I dont know why they didnt call him on pit stop and gear box problem on last race. Without one bad luck - for example in Turkey where he lost 3rd place because of tyre explosion, he would be world champion. He did awesome job for his rookie year.

The same can be said about Alonso (a 2 WDC, you seem to forget that way to easily). If the team would have left him overtake Hamilton at Indy or if A.Hamliton wouldn't have complained to the FIA at Hungaroring he would have won the championship. And I'm not the only one who say this, Prost said the same a week ago, if they had given the n*1 status to Alonso they'd have won the title before the last race.

But that is Dennis' problem not Kimi's fault so don't try to devaluate his victory.

I never said he isnt good, but if he cant beat his team mate, then he dont deserve No.1 status. Michael Schumacher had no.1 status, but he wasnt beaten by rookie.

If Hamilton would have no.1 status he would already be champion too.

At the end of the day, experienced driver, two times world champion, is behind rookie in same car. So he deserve no.1 status ? Was Barrichello or Irvine infront of Schumacher at the end of the season ?

He is behind the rookie because he was racing against Ferrari and against his own team. And obvoiusly Hamilton is better than Irvine and Barrichello, but Alonso beat Schuey twice, that makes him automatically better than the German?

Did you watch all the races in 2005 and 2006? Raikonnen and Schumacher were both very unlucky and both seasons could have gone either way. From what I remember of both seasons, Alonso played a tactical game (exactly what he should have done in 2007 instead of moaning) and that won him the championships.

Not once did he look better than Schumacher, in fact in a straight fight he was severely lacking, come on now man, go back and watch those seasons again

And if we look at this season, was he racing his own team in the first four races? I dont think so! He was simply outdriven, just accept it

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I think each opposing countries media has positioned each driver as 'the bad guy' to their own public. So of course we will have biased opinions.

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CGT is right on the money.
Alonso played his cards right in 2005 and 2006.
It's not exactly a secret that I am no fan of Alonso - and the reason is simply that he never became "the World Champion". He never drove likee a champion or behaved like one. He simply managed to stay out of the trouble that crippled his opponents. During 2005, Kimi lost around 60 points (GPs he could have won) to Alonso solely due to poor material -10 place penalty due to engine swap or car died during GP.
Good, solid work by FA - but not impressive IMO.

II am sure he is very good at developing cars with the team, and I am sure that a lot of Renault's success can be attributed to FA.
It's hard to have an informed opinion about, because there are so many things to factor in - but IMO he is not in the same league as MS or Kimi or Hamilton.

IMO Hamilton could very well be in a league of his own.
We will see in the coming seasons. However, it is hard to say so right now with so much internal turmoil in the McL team.
Was he treated like RD's illegitimate son? Would any good driver be able to do the same given the same intense McL upbringing?
Will he make wiser choices and keep his cool in similar dicey situations?

MKSGR: Sounds like you miss MS a lot. I think its both better for F1 and for the fans that 3 guys can win the championship - not just 1 or 2.
I dont agree with your assesment, that the top 4 drivers are mediocre except for LH, but I agree that F1 no longer has a domineering figure like MS.
And frankly that is a great thing.
LH has the potential - and I wouldnt be surprised if some of the "older" guys stepped up to the plate next year.

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I don't think DC would want to come back to McLaren after the way Dennis treated him. He is a much happy person after his departure from McLaren.

Anyway, I don't know why the driver that would go to McLaren (if Alonso leaves) have to be the 2nd driver behind Hamilton. Where is the equality? Why does Hamilton deserve the n*1 status after the way he has lost the Championship in the last two races? Only because he is Dennis' iligetimate son?

Because with same team support as Raikkonen had, Hamilton would win championship.

And dont blame Hamilton for everything, he had a lot of bad luck this year - 2× tyre fault, in China I dont know why they didnt call him on pit stop and gear box problem on last race. Without one bad luck - for example in Turkey where he lost 3rd place because of tyre explosion, he would be world champion. He did awesome job for his rookie year.

The same can be said about Alonso (a 2 WDC, you seem to forget that way to easily). If the team would have left him overtake Hamilton at Indy or if A.Hamliton wouldn't have complained to the FIA at Hungaroring he would have won the championship. And I'm not the only one who say this, Prost said the same a week ago, if they had given the n*1 status to Alonso they'd have won the title before the last race.

But that is Dennis' problem not Kimi's fault so don't try to devaluate his victory.

I never said he isnt good, but if he cant beat his team mate, then he dont deserve No.1 status. Michael Schumacher had no.1 status, but he wasnt beaten by rookie.

If Hamilton would have no.1 status he would already be champion too.

At the end of the day, experienced driver, two times world champion, is behind rookie in same car. So he deserve no.1 status ? Was Barrichello or Irvine infront of Schumacher at the end of the season ?

He is behind the rookie because he was racing against Ferrari and against his own team. And obvoiusly Hamilton is better than Irvine and Barrichello, but Alonso beat Schuey twice, that makes him automatically better than the German?

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MKSGR: Sounds like you miss MS a lot. I think its both better for F1 and for the fans that 3 guys can win the championship - not just 1 or 2.
I dont agree with your assesment, that the top 4 drivers are mediocre except for LH, but I agree that F1 no longer has a domineering figure like MS.
And frankly that is a great thing.
LH has the potential - and I wouldnt be surprised if some of the "older" guys stepped up to the plate next year.

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I think each opposing countries media has positioned each driver as 'the bad guy' to their own public. So of course we will have biased opinions.

The problem with the British media is that they think that they actually have a role in F1, when most of them do more harm than good to the 'sport'.

P.S.: Do you find normal that ITV cut the press conference coverage to interview Daddy Hamilton?

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Finnish MTV3 reports that Hamilton told a Canadian magazine, La Presse, that he accidentally pressed the wrong button which caused the gear to go into neutral. After that it took him a while to reset the system.

Has anybody else heard of this?

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One thing it's clear: Ron Dennis [beep] up this season!

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I imagine that Ron will have negotiated into his release contract a clause whereby he is not allowed to drive for a manufacturer-backed team for at least the first season.

This would leave him looking at Red Bull as a first choice option.

This would make a lot of sense. As I have said repeatedly in the last few weeks of the season, I reckon Red Bull will give BMW and Renault a run for their money next year in the battle for best of the rest behind McLaren and Ferrari.

It seems to be gelling there now with Geoff Willis and Adrian Newey at the helm of the technical team. The 2008 car should be fast and reliable. And being an engine customer is less significant than it used to be because engines are virtually standardised now.

With Alonso in the car, this could be Red Bull's moment.

However I was told on Saturday in Brazil by a very high up member of RBR management that they felt Alonso would be a destabilising influence in the team, especially if he were only coming in for a year.

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I was very interested in his behaviour behind Hamilton during the race at Indy, swerving towards the pit wall to signal his displeasure at being 'held up' by his team mate.

The extra two points he felt he should have had that day would have made him world champion. So you could see his point when he said after Brazil that if the team had done what he asked them to he would have won the world title for them.

But of course they let Hamilton have a go at it himself and they ended up losing the championship to Ferrari.

In that respect, McLaren come out of 2007 looking pretty silly, if you think about it.

But they, like everyone else in F1, were wrapped up in the romance of this wonderful rookie story and wanted to see if the fairytale could become reality.