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21-nov-2017 12:03:20

WAY: Rennteam Master; Loc: Melbourne, Australia; Posts: 3344, Gallery; Registrado desde: 11-may-2004; Reply to: RC

Re: 718 Spyder

RC:
acky:
Almost all German car magazines "see" the flat 4 turbo in the next Spyder.
Slightly detuned GT3 engine is a "bit" too optimistic. New emission rules beginning Sep 2018, will not allow the GT3 engine to be used in the current form.
Porsche don't want to make the Boxster/Cayman platform too attractive. I dont expect more that 410HP, maximum. Some people are pretty sure that on their informations the next Spyder will only have around 385HP.

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I'm afraid so... The exhaust system also indicates turbo, not n/a but I could be wrong.

GT4 RS could be a different story though...of course at a different price level as well.

But doesn’t the exhaust system indicate 6 cyl turbo as opposed to 4??? I’m still betting on Carrera S engine, but hoping for detuned GT3 of course.

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21-nov-2017 12:48:58

d997h: Expert; Loc: . , Alemania; Posts: 1810, Gallery; Registrado desde: 24-nov-2005; Reply to: WAY

Re: 718 Spyder

Porsche has decided to go with 4cly. turbos for the Cayman / Boxster range - I doubt very much, that "they" would change this paradigm...my guess is something like a 385 hp 4ycl. turbo...which is 10 hp more than the last one... Smiley

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21-nov-2017 14:44:09

bluelines: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Argovia , Suiza; Posts: 11655, Gallery; Registrado desde: 29-abr-2005; Reply to: d997h

Re: 718 Spyder

d997h:
Porsche has decided to go with 4cly. turbos for the Cayman / Boxster range - I doubt very much, that "they" would change this paradigm...my guess is something like a 385 hp 4ycl. turbo...which is 10 hp more than the last one...

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21-nov-2017 14:46:51

noone1: Rennteam Master; Loc: Los Angeles , Estados Unidos; Posts: 5587, Gallery; Registrado desde: 20-nov-2009; Reply to: bluelines

Re: 718 Spyder

Can't wait to see the next "last NA GT engine manual!" indecision

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21-nov-2017 14:49:44

bluelines: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Argovia , Suiza; Posts: 11655, Gallery; Registrado desde: 29-abr-2005; Reply to: noone1

Re: 718 Spyder

noone1:
Can't wait to see the next "last NA GT engine manual!"

Smiley

It is hilarious isn't it.

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21-nov-2017 18:40:58

acky: Co-Pilot; Loc: Westerwald , Alemania; Posts: 203, Gallery; Registrado desde: 25-dic-2002; Reply to: bluelines

Re: 718 Spyder

Porsche said 2 years ago the flat 6 bi-turbo does not fit at all in the 718.
May be we will get the flat 4 turbo in the Spyder and GT4 with 390hp +-5, manual only and flat 6 n/a 3.8 or 4L PDK only for the GT4 RS.

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21-nov-2017 18:58:19

dreamcar: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Hampshire , Reino Unido; Posts: 8797, Gallery; Registrado desde: 19-abr-2004; Reply to: RC

Re: 718 Spyder

RC:
acky:
Almost all German car magazines "see" the flat 4 turbo in the next Spyder.
Slightly detuned GT3 engine is a "bit" too optimistic. New emission rules beginning Sep 2018, will not allow the GT3 engine to be used in the current form.
Porsche don't want to make the Boxster/Cayman platform too attractive. I dont expect more that 410HP, maximum. Some people are pretty sure that on their informations the next Spyder will only have around 385HP.

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I'm afraid so... The exhaust system also indicates turbo, not n/a but I could be wrong.

GT4 RS could be a different story though...of course at a different price level as well.

Well if the Spyder comes with nothing better than a hotter beetle engine it’s another Porsche I won’t lose sleep over missing out on. Smiley

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21-nov-2017 19:05:35

bluelines: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Argovia , Suiza; Posts: 11655, Gallery; Registrado desde: 29-abr-2005; Reply to: acky

Re: 718 Spyder

acky:
Porsche said 2 years ago the flat 6 bi-turbo does not fit at all in the 718.
May be we will get the flat 4 turbo in the Spyder and GT4 with 390hp +-5, manual only and flat 6 n/a 3.8 or 4L PDK only for the GT4 RS.

Porsche also said that they would never build a diesel and that paddles don’t belong in a GT car.

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21-nov-2017 19:28:20

noone1: Rennteam Master; Loc: Los Angeles , Estados Unidos; Posts: 5587, Gallery; Registrado desde: 20-nov-2009; Reply to: bluelines

Re: 718 Spyder

Porsche says whatever each segment wants to hear... until they've all bought it ;)

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21-nov-2017 21:17:53

jamesdamanuk1: Pilot; Loc: uk , Reino Unido; Posts: 300, Gallery; Registrado desde: 28-feb-2006; Reply to: noone1

Re: 718 Spyder

I said in the GT4 bit i reckon its turbo as the exhausts look like the GT2RS exhausts not the gt3 ect

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21-nov-2017 21:39:05

acky: Co-Pilot; Loc: Westerwald , Alemania; Posts: 203, Gallery; Registrado desde: 25-dic-2002; Reply to: jamesdamanuk1

Re: 718 Spyder

But flat 6 turbo is unlikely. Not enough room in the engine bay.
If turbo then flat 4.
Very disappointing.

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21-nov-2017 21:46:30

KMM: Expert; Loc: Boston, MA , Estados Unidos; Posts: 1745, Gallery; Registrado desde: 05-feb-2004; Reply to: acky

Re: 718 Spyder

Perhaps they'll split the difference and make a turbo flat 5 indecision

Will that make everybody happy?

In the meantime, I need to call my dealer to make sure my deposit covers GT4 RS, not just GT4. If 4 cyl, I'll stick to my 6 cyl NA GTS.

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21-nov-2017 21:50:18

DaveGordon: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Zürich , Suiza; Posts: 2774, Gallery; Registrado desde: 20-ago-2007; Reply to: KMM

Re: 718 Spyder

http://www.thedrive.com/flat-six-society/16292/porsche-718-boxster-spyder-will-get-911-gt3s-flat-six-engine

It’s on the internet, so must be true!

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21-nov-2017 21:54:05

jamesdamanuk1: Pilot; Loc: uk , Reino Unido; Posts: 300, Gallery; Registrado desde: 28-feb-2006; Reply to: DaveGordon

Re: 718 Spyder

I just have a horrible feeling they will both be turbo flat 4 but i really, really hope i am wrong!

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21-nov-2017 21:54:23

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canadá; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registrado desde: 19-sep-2006; Reply to: acky

Re: 718 Spyder

acky:
But flat 6 turbo is unlikely. Not enough room in the engine bay.
If turbo then flat 4.
Very disappointing.

Actually it does fit. Weissach have had a "GT4RS" prototype running every single engine Porsche current makes for a while now. From the flat 4 turbo to NA flat 6 to turbo flat 6. Not sure what they finally decide to put in the car though.

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21-nov-2017 21:58:54

jamesdamanuk1: Pilot; Loc: uk , Reino Unido; Posts: 300, Gallery; Registrado desde: 28-feb-2006; Reply to: Whoopsy

Re: 718 Spyder

The gt4 with the 3.0l flat 6 turbo would make sense, the last car had the 911 engine

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21-nov-2017 23:21:14

acky: Co-Pilot; Loc: Westerwald , Alemania; Posts: 203, Gallery; Registrado desde: 25-dic-2002; Reply to: jamesdamanuk1

Re: 718 Spyder

Porsche said the flat 6 turbo did not fit. OK, maybe they lie to have a reason for this flat 4 engine.
It could also be, that the flat 6 turbo can be fitted to a 718 prototype, maybe with sacrificing the rear trunk.

Very annoying this stupid fear to threaten the 911 and restrain the Boxster/Cayman.
For consisted customers the 718 is difficult to accept. Not everyone what to move "up" to the 911.

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22-nov-2017 10:54:01

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Alemania; Posts: 59602, Gallery; Registrado desde: 26-mar-2002; Reply to: acky

Re: 718 Spyder

acky:
Porsche said 2 years ago the flat 6 bi-turbo does not fit at all in the 718.
May be we will get the flat 4 turbo in the Spyder and GT4 with 390hp +-5, manual only and flat 6 n/a 3.8 or 4L PDK only for the GT4 RS.

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Latest rumor from someone close to Porsche: 4-cyl. turbo engine with "close" to 400 hp (380-390).

Brake system from GT3...

GT4 (RS) will be a different story, no 4-cyl. (but he couldn't tell me if they are using a detuned GT3 engine).

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22-nov-2017 13:07:04

acky: Co-Pilot; Loc: Westerwald , Alemania; Posts: 203, Gallery; Registrado desde: 25-dic-2002; Reply to: RC

Re: 718 Spyder

RC, you wrote GT4 (RS) no 4-cyl.
Does that mean only the RS will have flat 6 or also the normal GT4 ??

I ask because of the brackets you put around the RS.
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22-nov-2017 13:25:59

Gauss: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Luxembourg , Luxemburgo; Posts: 5822, Gallery; Registrado desde: 03-jun-2003; Reply to: acky

Re: 718 Spyder

He probably means both.

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22-nov-2017 13:30:15

acky: Co-Pilot; Loc: Westerwald , Alemania; Posts: 203, Gallery; Registrado desde: 25-dic-2002; Reply to: Gauss

Re: 718 Spyder

That's why I ask, for me a little bit unlikely that the Spyder and the normal GT4 will not share the same engine.

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22-nov-2017 13:48:50

Gauss: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Luxembourg , Luxemburgo; Posts: 5822, Gallery; Registrado desde: 03-jun-2003; Reply to: acky

Re: 718 Spyder

I agree. It would be surprising and confusing.

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22-nov-2017 21:37:42

vantagesc: Pilot; Loc: U.S. , Estados Unidos; Posts: 486, Gallery; Registrado desde: 26-jul-2010; Reply to: Gauss

Re: 718 Spyder

To those recalling that's Porsche claimed certain engines fit or don't fit in the 718 platform. Well, such a statement is full of grey area. Technically the x51 3.8L did not fit in the 981 either. But we all know it would have been relatively simple for Porsche to make it fit.

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22-nov-2017 23:34:34

acky: Co-Pilot; Loc: Westerwald , Alemania; Posts: 203, Gallery; Registrado desde: 25-dic-2002; Reply to: vantagesc

Re: 718 Spyder

Fit and series production is not the same thing. Conditions for series production are much higher than "it fits".
The flat 6 turbo may fit, but may will overheat quickly.
The flat 4 turbo and the flat 6 n/a fit and works that's all we know.

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23-nov-2017 4:37:36

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canadá; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registrado desde: 19-sep-2006; Reply to: acky

Re: 718 Spyder

There is no reason for Porsche to push 450HP or even 420HP from the turbo 6 in the 718. Turning down boost hence power do wonders in managing intake temperature. It also make the engine less stressed as compared to pushing 400HP from a turbo 4.

Mid engine/rear engine cars have the advantage of running 3 openings for cooling as oppose to front engine cars that only has one, the front bumper.

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23-nov-2017 6:57:40

WAY: Rennteam Master; Loc: Melbourne, Australia; Posts: 3344, Gallery; Registrado desde: 11-may-2004; Reply to: Whoopsy

Re: 718 Spyder

I’m calling it. GT4/Spyder will have the turbo 6. blush

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27-nov-2017 16:39:56

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27-nov-2017 16:52:50

blueflame: Expert; Loc: Germany , Alemania; Posts: 1702, Gallery; Registrado desde: 28-ene-2005; Reply to: 63a510

Re: 718 Spyder

63a510:

Photoshop-front...but better than the spy-original-pics.

Blueflame

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27-nov-2017 16:55:22

63a510: Newbie; Loc: PNW , Estados Unidos; Posts: 8, Gallery; Registrado desde: 27-nov-2017; Reply to: blueflame

Re: 718 Spyder

Yup!

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24-ene-2018 22:55:52

Pietrostone: Junior; Loc: Italy , Italia; Posts: 67, Gallery; Registrado desde: 29-jun-2017; Reply to: 63a510

Re: 718 Spyder

https://www.autoblog.com/2018/01/24/porsche-718-boxster-spyder-spy-photos/?ncid=edlinkusauto00000016

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