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Nov 21, 2017 12:03:20 PM

WAY: Rennteam Master; Loc: Melbourne, Australia; Posts: 3344, Gallery; Registered on: May 11, 2004; Reply to: RC

Re: 718 Spyder

RC:
acky:
Almost all German car magazines "see" the flat 4 turbo in the next Spyder.
Slightly detuned GT3 engine is a "bit" too optimistic. New emission rules beginning Sep 2018, will not allow the GT3 engine to be used in the current form.
Porsche don't want to make the Boxster/Cayman platform too attractive. I dont expect more that 410HP, maximum. Some people are pretty sure that on their informations the next Spyder will only have around 385HP.

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I'm afraid so... The exhaust system also indicates turbo, not n/a but I could be wrong.

GT4 RS could be a different story though...of course at a different price level as well.

But doesn’t the exhaust system indicate 6 cyl turbo as opposed to 4??? I’m still betting on Carrera S engine, but hoping for detuned GT3 of course.

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Nov 21, 2017 12:48:58 PM

d997h: Expert; Loc: . , Germany; Posts: 1810, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 24, 2005; Reply to: WAY

Re: 718 Spyder

Porsche has decided to go with 4cly. turbos for the Cayman / Boxster range - I doubt very much, that "they" would change this paradigm...my guess is something like a 385 hp 4ycl. turbo...which is 10 hp more than the last one... Smiley

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Nov 21, 2017 2:44:09 PM

bluelines: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Argovia , Switzerland; Posts: 11655, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 29, 2005; Reply to: d997h

Re: 718 Spyder

d997h:
Porsche has decided to go with 4cly. turbos for the Cayman / Boxster range - I doubt very much, that "they" would change this paradigm...my guess is something like a 385 hp 4ycl. turbo...which is 10 hp more than the last one...

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Nov 21, 2017 2:46:51 PM

noone1: Rennteam Master; Loc: Los Angeles , United States; Posts: 5587, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 20, 2009; Reply to: bluelines

Re: 718 Spyder

Can't wait to see the next "last NA GT engine manual!" indecision

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Nov 21, 2017 2:49:44 PM

bluelines: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Argovia , Switzerland; Posts: 11655, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 29, 2005; Reply to: noone1

Re: 718 Spyder

noone1:
Can't wait to see the next "last NA GT engine manual!"

Smiley

It is hilarious isn't it.

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Nov 21, 2017 6:40:58 PM

acky: Co-Pilot; Loc: Westerwald , Germany; Posts: 203, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 25, 2002; Reply to: bluelines

Re: 718 Spyder

Porsche said 2 years ago the flat 6 bi-turbo does not fit at all in the 718.
May be we will get the flat 4 turbo in the Spyder and GT4 with 390hp +-5, manual only and flat 6 n/a 3.8 or 4L PDK only for the GT4 RS.

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Nov 21, 2017 6:58:19 PM

dreamcar: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Hampshire , United Kingdom; Posts: 8797, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 19, 2004; Reply to: RC

Re: 718 Spyder

RC:
acky:
Almost all German car magazines "see" the flat 4 turbo in the next Spyder.
Slightly detuned GT3 engine is a "bit" too optimistic. New emission rules beginning Sep 2018, will not allow the GT3 engine to be used in the current form.
Porsche don't want to make the Boxster/Cayman platform too attractive. I dont expect more that 410HP, maximum. Some people are pretty sure that on their informations the next Spyder will only have around 385HP.

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I'm afraid so... The exhaust system also indicates turbo, not n/a but I could be wrong.

GT4 RS could be a different story though...of course at a different price level as well.

Well if the Spyder comes with nothing better than a hotter beetle engine it’s another Porsche I won’t lose sleep over missing out on. Smiley

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Nov 21, 2017 7:05:35 PM

bluelines: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Argovia , Switzerland; Posts: 11655, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 29, 2005; Reply to: acky

Re: 718 Spyder

acky:
Porsche said 2 years ago the flat 6 bi-turbo does not fit at all in the 718.
May be we will get the flat 4 turbo in the Spyder and GT4 with 390hp +-5, manual only and flat 6 n/a 3.8 or 4L PDK only for the GT4 RS.

Porsche also said that they would never build a diesel and that paddles don’t belong in a GT car.

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Nov 21, 2017 7:28:20 PM

noone1: Rennteam Master; Loc: Los Angeles , United States; Posts: 5587, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 20, 2009; Reply to: bluelines

Re: 718 Spyder

Porsche says whatever each segment wants to hear... until they've all bought it ;)

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Nov 21, 2017 9:17:53 PM

jamesdamanuk1: Pilot; Loc: uk , United Kingdom; Posts: 300, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 28, 2006; Reply to: noone1

Re: 718 Spyder

I said in the GT4 bit i reckon its turbo as the exhausts look like the GT2RS exhausts not the gt3 ect

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Nov 21, 2017 9:39:05 PM

acky: Co-Pilot; Loc: Westerwald , Germany; Posts: 203, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 25, 2002; Reply to: jamesdamanuk1

Re: 718 Spyder

But flat 6 turbo is unlikely. Not enough room in the engine bay.
If turbo then flat 4.
Very disappointing.

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Nov 21, 2017 9:46:30 PM

KMM: Expert; Loc: Boston, MA , United States; Posts: 1745, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 5, 2004; Reply to: acky

Re: 718 Spyder

Perhaps they'll split the difference and make a turbo flat 5 indecision

Will that make everybody happy?

In the meantime, I need to call my dealer to make sure my deposit covers GT4 RS, not just GT4. If 4 cyl, I'll stick to my 6 cyl NA GTS.

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Nov 21, 2017 9:50:18 PM

DaveGordon: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Zürich , Switzerland; Posts: 2774, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 20, 2007; Reply to: KMM

Re: 718 Spyder

http://www.thedrive.com/flat-six-society/16292/porsche-718-boxster-spyder-will-get-911-gt3s-flat-six-engine

It’s on the internet, so must be true!

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Nov 21, 2017 9:54:05 PM

jamesdamanuk1: Pilot; Loc: uk , United Kingdom; Posts: 300, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 28, 2006; Reply to: DaveGordon

Re: 718 Spyder

I just have a horrible feeling they will both be turbo flat 4 but i really, really hope i am wrong!

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Nov 21, 2017 9:54:23 PM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: acky

Re: 718 Spyder

acky:
But flat 6 turbo is unlikely. Not enough room in the engine bay.
If turbo then flat 4.
Very disappointing.

Actually it does fit. Weissach have had a "GT4RS" prototype running every single engine Porsche current makes for a while now. From the flat 4 turbo to NA flat 6 to turbo flat 6. Not sure what they finally decide to put in the car though.

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Nov 21, 2017 9:58:54 PM

jamesdamanuk1: Pilot; Loc: uk , United Kingdom; Posts: 300, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 28, 2006; Reply to: Whoopsy

Re: 718 Spyder

The gt4 with the 3.0l flat 6 turbo would make sense, the last car had the 911 engine

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Nov 21, 2017 11:21:14 PM

acky: Co-Pilot; Loc: Westerwald , Germany; Posts: 203, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 25, 2002; Reply to: jamesdamanuk1

Re: 718 Spyder

Porsche said the flat 6 turbo did not fit. OK, maybe they lie to have a reason for this flat 4 engine.
It could also be, that the flat 6 turbo can be fitted to a 718 prototype, maybe with sacrificing the rear trunk.

Very annoying this stupid fear to threaten the 911 and restrain the Boxster/Cayman.
For consisted customers the 718 is difficult to accept. Not everyone what to move "up" to the 911.

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Nov 22, 2017 10:54:01 AM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59580, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: acky

Re: 718 Spyder

acky:
Porsche said 2 years ago the flat 6 bi-turbo does not fit at all in the 718.
May be we will get the flat 4 turbo in the Spyder and GT4 with 390hp +-5, manual only and flat 6 n/a 3.8 or 4L PDK only for the GT4 RS.

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Latest rumor from someone close to Porsche: 4-cyl. turbo engine with "close" to 400 hp (380-390).

Brake system from GT3...

GT4 (RS) will be a different story, no 4-cyl. (but he couldn't tell me if they are using a detuned GT3 engine).

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Nov 22, 2017 1:07:04 PM

acky: Co-Pilot; Loc: Westerwald , Germany; Posts: 203, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 25, 2002; Reply to: RC

Re: 718 Spyder

RC, you wrote GT4 (RS) no 4-cyl.
Does that mean only the RS will have flat 6 or also the normal GT4 ??

I ask because of the brackets you put around the RS.
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Nov 22, 2017 1:25:59 PM

Gauss: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Luxembourg , Luxembourg; Posts: 5822, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 3, 2003; Reply to: acky

Re: 718 Spyder

He probably means both.

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Nov 22, 2017 1:30:15 PM

acky: Co-Pilot; Loc: Westerwald , Germany; Posts: 203, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 25, 2002; Reply to: Gauss

Re: 718 Spyder

That's why I ask, for me a little bit unlikely that the Spyder and the normal GT4 will not share the same engine.

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Nov 22, 2017 1:48:50 PM

Gauss: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Luxembourg , Luxembourg; Posts: 5822, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 3, 2003; Reply to: acky

Re: 718 Spyder

I agree. It would be surprising and confusing.

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Nov 22, 2017 9:37:42 PM

vantagesc: Pilot; Loc: U.S. , United States; Posts: 486, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 26, 2010; Reply to: Gauss

Re: 718 Spyder

To those recalling that's Porsche claimed certain engines fit or don't fit in the 718 platform. Well, such a statement is full of grey area. Technically the x51 3.8L did not fit in the 981 either. But we all know it would have been relatively simple for Porsche to make it fit.

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Nov 22, 2017 11:34:34 PM

acky: Co-Pilot; Loc: Westerwald , Germany; Posts: 203, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 25, 2002; Reply to: vantagesc

Re: 718 Spyder

Fit and series production is not the same thing. Conditions for series production are much higher than "it fits".
The flat 6 turbo may fit, but may will overheat quickly.
The flat 4 turbo and the flat 6 n/a fit and works that's all we know.

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Nov 23, 2017 4:37:36 AM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: acky

Re: 718 Spyder

There is no reason for Porsche to push 450HP or even 420HP from the turbo 6 in the 718. Turning down boost hence power do wonders in managing intake temperature. It also make the engine less stressed as compared to pushing 400HP from a turbo 4.

Mid engine/rear engine cars have the advantage of running 3 openings for cooling as oppose to front engine cars that only has one, the front bumper.

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Nov 23, 2017 6:57:40 AM

WAY: Rennteam Master; Loc: Melbourne, Australia; Posts: 3344, Gallery; Registered on: May 11, 2004; Reply to: Whoopsy

Re: 718 Spyder

I’m calling it. GT4/Spyder will have the turbo 6. blush

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Nov 27, 2017 4:39:56 PM

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Nov 27, 2017 4:52:50 PM

blueflame: Expert; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 1700, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 28, 2005; Reply to: 63a510

Re: 718 Spyder

63a510:

Photoshop-front...but better than the spy-original-pics.

Blueflame

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Nov 27, 2017 4:55:22 PM

63a510: Newbie; Loc: PNW , United States; Posts: 8, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 27, 2017; Reply to: blueflame

Re: 718 Spyder

Yup!

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Jan 24, 2018 10:55:52 PM

Pietrostone: Junior; Loc: Italy , Italy; Posts: 67, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 29, 2017; Reply to: 63a510

Re: 718 Spyder

https://www.autoblog.com/2018/01/24/porsche-718-boxster-spyder-spy-photos/?ncid=edlinkusauto00000016

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