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Sep 18, 2007 3:12:13 PM
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Ron (Houston) said:
Looks like the 2009 Porsche 911 Turbo is getting a little touch up. This prototype spotted in Germany looks like the current model, but we noticed a few minor changes that indicate an imminent midcycle refresh. The front end is unmolested as far as we can tell, but the rear end has new taillights with LEDs and a slightly different lens arrangement. Reshaped tailpipes indicate a reworked exhaust, so there could be a few extra horsepower on tap for a car that's already one of the fastest we've ever tested. Look for an official debut early next year.
Thanks so much for the pics!
That's very hot! I love it, plus the new exhaust probably produce better sound and more hp.
Any news about the new CF GT2 seats? Do you think that will be part of the option for new TT?
What about something like Ipod etc? Any new things for the face-lifted version?
You can already select the CF seats for the Turbo, they're pictured in the 2008 turbo brochure:
http://www.porsche.com/all/media/pdf/Catalogue_911-turbo_MY08_PCNA.pdf
Sep 18, 2007 3:25:44 PM
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Sep 18, 2007 4:38:54 PM
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WBH said:
Suspect P will quietly/overtly update/debug PASM/PTM/PSM, etc for faster/smarter/more networked chassis elements in 997TT 2.0....and if chassis is as "smart"/active/networked as is 599's (which is already 1yo+ tech), the Luddite gearbox may not be compatible w/the various chassis networks....as is case w/599, where F1 is apparently only gearbox compatible w/chassis networks....
Perhaps overestimating ability of P chassis engineers to catch up w/tech advances of 599/Scud chassis engineering teams....
In any case, just told my P dealer I want first 997TT 2.0 avail upon launch....will have to do own comparos on my favorite roads....
Sep 18, 2007 4:49:47 PM
Sep 18, 2007 4:58:01 PM
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993S said:
Are you going to postpone your order Kreso ?
I was convinced a turbo facelift would be impossible , logic dictated this if you consider GT2 and Cabrio release.
Apparently there is no logic anymore at Porsche.
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I forgot to mention: the 997 Turbo facelift isn't "official" yet, just the 997 Carrera facelift. Maybe there is still a good chance that no facelift is coming, the most p.ss.d off customers would be 997 Turbo Cab customers and especially GT2 customers. I can't imagine that Porsche didn't think about it.
According to email that I just receive from my Motorpresse friend there will be 997 Turbo facelift. Your info is accurate as always...
It seems that new GT2 will be facelifted as well-I do not know what to say about that...
Sep 18, 2007 5:47:04 PM
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KresoF1 said:
do you plan to trade yours for facelift one next year?
Sep 18, 2007 7:03:14 PM
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993S said:
I was convinced a turbo facelift would be impossible , logic dictated this if you consider GT2 and Cabrio release.
Apparently there is no logic anymore at Porsche.
I quote you in all...
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Agree. But, few things:
-PSE based on GT2 exhaust do not fit in to the current 997 Turbo rear bumper-new bumper design as seen on this pics is required
-current 997 Turbo is more or less close relative to Carrera/Targa models so, facelift on all 997 models actually make sense from Manufactoring point of view
-new PSE is required for new X50 power kit(read above)
-gearbox option will remain the same FOR 997 Turbo
-just introduced GT2 will be affected with this facelift as well
-MY2009 will be introduced pretty early in 2008(read early summer)
-it will be more expensive with more options to choose
-improved PTM setup on 997 Turbo(rumor!)
My end comment: Money, Money, Money!
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I could even fully agree with you...
BUT, I simply do not like the way 599 GTB looks(and its 20th Centuary safety standard).
So, I am in pretty akward position...
SO, Herr Wendelin Wiedeking is probably singing right now:
"Oh my God PDK is in my ass! Oh, in my ass!
It feels very good! Indeed very good!
Costumers will get it... Strictly from my ass!!"
Your logic in your above post is very consistent with the way these guys think
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ps: Don't like the new rear tail lights at all. The LED's are going to be cool but the shape is awful imho. Weird, one of the best things about the exterior of the 997 they're going to screw up.
Yeah, I'm not crazy about the new tail lights. It's going to take getting use to. I wonder how the design of such things gets approved.
It looks like a forced change for the sake of a change rather than based on a design improvement. The Turbo is far from a beautiful car but the rear of the car where the wing, tail lights & rear deck lid, back bumper (above the exhaust outlets) meet is my favorite part of the car. imho they're screwing with one of the nicest parts of the turbo for the worse. These new lights look like someone left camo on the car.
), so I'll have to follow here for "updates" on the "GT2 facelift" before ordering. Perhaps this will give me time to assess the GT2's most important characteristic-performance-from independent sources, as well as give tuners time to take a crack at "tweaking" the car a bit.
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Lars997 said:
It was for sure, that they will bring the LED Taillights not only on the Carrera's!
Thanks for the Pictures! It will be much more interesting what else they change (corner lights, etc.)
LED lights, corner lights, maybe some sort of nightvision/head display system (not 100% yet).
Unfortunately, the 997 Turbo won't get a significant power upgrade, maybe a couple of horses (up to 495) but nothing more. Actually, the latest info is: no power upgrade at all.
To satisfy power hungry people, the powerkit should be available shortly after facelift introduction next year.
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I could even fully agree with you...
BUT, I simply do not like the way 599 GTB looks(and its 20th Centuary safety standard).
So, I am in pretty akward position...
SO, Herr Wendelin Wiedeking is probably singing right now:
"Oh my God PDK is in my ass! Oh, in my ass!
It feels very good! Indeed very good!
Costumers will get it... Strictly from my ass!!"
)...silly changes to lights, etc mean little to me....but if 997TT tech advances (PDK, PSE, turbo lag reduc, PASM/PTM/PSM refinements, etc) are interesting, will get a 997TT 2.0 as wkend twisties car to compare vs latest F/AMG....and will trade-in losers of the comparo.... 
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