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There is considerable false information regarding the supposedly high cost maintenance for Ferrari's. Though I reaily admit the past models were expensive to maintain, the new 360 and better yet the 430 are no more expensive than most high perf sport cars.
There is a 5000 mile or year maintenance which requires a change of oil and many of the fluids. The cost is about $1100.
The second maintenance is the three year or 15,000 mile. It is a little more extensive and usually cost around $4000.
The next maintenance period is the 30,000 mile. I am not sure what is involved but I am told the cost is around $4000.
The F1 clutch will last about 25,000 miles for intense city driving and over 30,000 miles for a combination of city and highway driving. My 430 has over 10,000 miles and has about 22% clutch wear.
BTW a F1 clutch replacement is around $4000.
Quote:mate , your first comment was you don't own a 430 , yet you disagree with someone who has one .
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nberry said:
There is considerable false information regarding the supposedly high cost maintenance for Ferrari's. Though I reaily admit the past models were expensive to maintain, the new 360 and better yet the 430 are no more expensive than most high perf sport cars.
There is a 5000 mile or year maintenance which requires a change of oil and many of the fluids. The cost is about $1100.
The second maintenance is the three year or 15,000 mile. It is a little more extensive and usually cost around $4000.
The next maintenance period is the 30,000 mile. I am not sure what is involved but I am told the cost is around $4000.
The F1 clutch will last about 25,000 miles for intense city driving and over 30,000 miles for a combination of city and highway driving. My 430 has over 10,000 miles and has about 22% clutch wear.
BTW a F1 clutch replacement is around $4000.
Disagree. Ferrari's are some of the most expensive cars to service because nearly everything needs to go through the dealer or to the dealer for the part/fluid/tool.
Everything is specialized.
Case in point (and this would be a bargin to Ferrari owners), I foolishly blew some bonus money 4 years ago on a used 996 TT.
My oil change and fluid change was $589.89 ... it was seared into my memory because I nearly strangled the guy when he smiled in my face with a bill in hand.
Coming out of an M3 where I would this would be a like a $250 (at most) visit.
So I can imagine I'd probably ask for a shotgun if someone handed me a $1100 bill for a fluid and oil change!
996TT's first scheduled service was about $1300 which was about what I expected.
So a $4K visit for the same items (filters, fluid check, etc.).
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Simply put, if you have to be concerned about the maintenance cost of a Ferrari then you most likely shouldn't be getting one. That's like someone worrying about the fuel cost of a Rolls Royce. If you have to worry, you shouldn't be buying one.
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joo22us said:
Simply put, if you have to be concerned about the maintenance cost of a Ferrari then you most likely shouldn't be getting one. That's like someone worrying about the fuel cost of a Rolls Royce. If you have to worry, you shouldn't be buying one.
For the record, a Rolls-Royce's fuel consumption is light compared to an Arnage. With the Arnage you literally watch the needle go down!
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Simply put, if you have to be concerned about the maintenance cost of a Ferrari then you most likely shouldn't be getting one. That's like someone worrying about the fuel cost of a Rolls Royce. If you have to worry, you shouldn't be buying one.
For the record, a Rolls-Royce's fuel consumption is light compared to an Arnage. With the Arnage you literally watch the needle go down!
Is the Bentley really that bad?
I always thought Arnage and Phantom are about the same in that respect...
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joo22us said:
Simply put, if you have to be concerned about the maintenance cost of a Ferrari then you most likely shouldn't be getting one. That's like someone worrying about the fuel cost of a Rolls Royce. If you have to worry, you shouldn't be buying one.
For the record, a Rolls-Royce's fuel consumption is light compared to an Arnage. With the Arnage you literally watch the needle go down!
Is the Bentley really that bad?
I always thought Arnage and Phantom are about the same in that respect...
They both have the same sized tanks and I get around about 100-150 km more per tank in the Phantom than in the Arnage. In 90 litres I used toget around 300km per tank in the Arnage T.
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mate , your first comment was you don't own a 430 , yet you disagree with someone who has one .
you're on drugs
nick is right
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mate , your first comment was you don't own a 430 , yet you disagree with someone who has one .
you're on drugs
nick is right
"Mate" before getting so flippant with the quips and accusations, understand that you responded HALF WAY into a thread without understanding my background or why I'm justified and qualified in speaking on the matter. Please go back to the beginning and re-read my comments in its entirety.
Yes, although I don't own a 430, I said I know several 430 owners, moreover, play the occasional round of charity golf with a few of the guys who work at the F dealership in Virginia.
What, do you think they don't talk about their cars from EVERY aspect including service/maintenance cost?
Please ... they want me to buy one and become a F family member, always trying to talk me out of of the P-car, but that's probably one of the only things that keeps me from making the plunge at this point in my life - the maintenance cost.
I can purchase a 430, but it would be a bit of stretch to "own" one and I couldn't justify the cost of usuage vs. the amount of time I'd actually get to use it.
Maybe in another 5 years when the business is fully flushed and stable I'll join the ranks.
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mate , your first comment was you don't own a 430 , yet you disagree with someone who has one .
you're on drugs
nick is right
"Mate" before getting so flippant with the quips and accusations, understand that you responded HALF WAY into a thread without understanding my background or why I'm justified and qualified in speaking on the matter. Please go back to the beginning and re-read my comments in its entirety.
Yes, although I don't own a 430, I said I know several 430 owners, moreover, play the occasional round of charity golf with a few of the guys who work at the F dealership in Virginia.
What, do you think they don't talk about their cars from EVERY aspect including service/maintenance cost?
Please ... they want me to buy one and become a F family member, always trying to talk me out of of the P-car, but that's probably one of the only things that keeps me from making the plunge at this point in my life - the maintenance cost.
I can purchase a 430, but it would be a bit of stretch to "own" one and I couldn't justify the cost of usuage vs. the amount of time I'd actually get to use it.
Maybe in another 5 years when the business is fully flushed and stable I'll join the ranks.
Heist, if your friends are telling you that their 430 has high maintenance cost then either they are pulling your leg, lying or do not own a 430. I have had my 430 Spider for almost two years driving over 10,000 miles and it has cost me a total of $1100. Prior to that, I drove a 430 coupe and though my mileage was less it cost me $800.
I also own two 360's and the cost were about the same.
Now if your friends believe $1100 is high maintenance cost for 10,000 miles, then I disagree and would urge them to buy cars with all servicing included during the warranty period.
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mate , your first comment was you don't own a 430 , yet you disagree with someone who has one .
you're on drugs
nick is right
"Mate" before getting so flippant with the quips and accusations, understand that you responded HALF WAY into a thread without understanding my background or why I'm justified and qualified in speaking on the matter. Please go back to the beginning and re-read my comments in its entirety.
Yes, although I don't own a 430, I said I know several 430 owners, moreover, play the occasional round of charity golf with a few of the guys who work at the F dealership in Virginia.
What, do you think they don't talk about their cars from EVERY aspect including service/maintenance cost?
Please ... they want me to buy one and become a F family member, always trying to talk me out of of the P-car, but that's probably one of the only things that keeps me from making the plunge at this point in my life - the maintenance cost.
I can purchase a 430, but it would be a bit of stretch to "own" one and I couldn't justify the cost of usuage vs. the amount of time I'd actually get to use it.
Maybe in another 5 years when the business is fully flushed and stable I'll join the ranks.
Heist, if your friends are telling you that their 430 has high maintenance cost then either they are pulling your leg, lying or do not own a 430. I have had my 430 Spider for almost two years driving over 10,000 miles and it has cost me a total of $1100. Prior to that, I drove a 430 coupe and though my mileage was less it cost me $800.
I also own two 360's and the cost were about the same.
Now if your friends believe $1100 is high maintenance cost for 10,000 miles, then I disagree and would urge them to buy cars with all servicing included during the warranty period.
Valid points,Nberry ... valid points. I mean most of these guys are all relatively young (30's-40's) overnight paper millonaires who hit it big in tech just before the bust.
It's an adjustment thing bruh.
Imagine, one week you're driving a rice-mobile, a standerd issue 3-Series, or the old Volvo wagon you had in college ... than BANG the company gets bought out by a public company, the stock surges the next month and you cash out and slurge on a fast Italian toy. Cost be damned!Even if you have to pay over sticker.
Life's good ... until they get that first service bill and suddenly they realized, this ain't no Camry and beyond maybe some nitrogen in your tires or a complmentary vaccum and window clean, no, there is no "Free" scheduled service intervals.
Like I said, just an adjustment thing.
At least my P dealer will toss me the occasional free oil change or get me a free tire if I get a nail in it. I asked the F guys if they do this for a good customer ... I could hear the crickets over on the 16th hole.
Sep 9, 2007 4:55:36 AM
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BTW, allegedly affluent guys fixated on trivial svc/fuel/insurance/tire rpcmt/pkg/detailing, etc costs, rather than relative deprec costs of using any car 15K mis/yr, are prob guys who struggle w/basic arithmetic/reading....and perhaps basic driving skills....sure these Wash/NoVA guys wouldn't be more intellectually "comfortable" in OC/SD/Miami???
Sep 9, 2007 5:13:46 AM
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BTW, allegedly affluent guys fixated on trivial svc/fuel/insurance/tire rpcmt/pkg/detailing, etc costs, rather than relative deprec costs of using any car 15K mis/yr, are prob guys who struggle w/basic arithmetic/reading....and perhaps basic driving skills....sure these Wash/NoVA guys wouldn't be more intellectually "comfortable" in OC/SD/Miami???
Are you trying to not make friends here, WBH?
Sep 9, 2007 5:56:20 AM
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WBH said:
BTW, allegedly affluent guys fixated on trivial svc/fuel/insurance/tire rpcmt/pkg/detailing, etc costs, rather than relative deprec costs of using any car 15K mis/yr, are prob guys who struggle w/basic arithmetic/reading....and perhaps basic driving skills....sure these Wash/NoVA guys wouldn't be more intellectually "comfortable" in OC/SD/Miami???
Are you trying to not make friends here, WBH?
Always fun ridiculing pals in all these places....am familar w/enough characters in SF/SiliconValley/NYC/BevHills/OC, etc to realize that each of these places is eminently mockable in its own way ....and that's part of what makes each of them such interesting/entertaining places....
Sep 9, 2007 3:04:32 PM
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BTW, allegedly affluent guys fixated on trivial svc/fuel/insurance/tire rpcmt/pkg/detailing, etc costs, rather than relative deprec costs of using any car 15K mis/yr, are prob guys who struggle w/basic arithmetic/reading....and perhaps basic driving skills....sure these Wash/NoVA guys wouldn't be more intellectually "comfortable" in OC/SD/Miami???
Are you trying to not make friends here, WBH?
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No worries. I can read between the lines on this. I know exactly what he was driving at
Every part of the country has its own "way." He must have done business in or lived in D.C. because he knows, NoVA and D.C. is pretty much the braintrust, "Look how many degrees I have and what prestigious school I went to", I scored blah blah on my MENSA test, I'm smarter than you ha-ha you dolt, capital of the U.S.
To call someone "intellectually challenge" around here or that they would be more comfortable outside the Beltway is a supreme insult.
Sort of like when I was living in overly appearence conscious LA or Miami, god help me if I said "you got a bad breast job or your botox job sucks", I'm sure the person would probably want to throw down (or run and go grab a Xanax for the resulting aniexty attack)
Depreciation is expected ... Like I said, it was that intial bill that made them gasp.
Sep 9, 2007 5:29:27 PM
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No worries. I can read between the lines on this. I know exactly what he was driving at
Every part of the country has its own "way." He must have done business in or lived in D.C. because he knows, NoVA and D.C. is pretty much the braintrust, "Look how many degrees I have and what prestigious school I went to", I scored blah blah on my MENSA test, I'm smarter than you ha-ha you dolt, capital of the U.S.
To call someone "intellectually challenge" around here or that they would be more comfortable outside the Beltway is a supreme insult.
Sort of like when I was living in overly appearence conscious LA or Miami, god help me if I said "you got a bad breast job or your botox job sucks", I'm sure the person would probably want to throw down (or run and go grab a Xanax for the resulting aniexty attack)
Depreciation is expected ... Like I said, it was that intial bill that made them gasp.
Very informative post about the different mentalities between the different parts of the US.
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nberry said:
There is considerable false information regarding the supposedly high cost maintenance for Ferrari's. Though I reaily admit the past models were expensive to maintain, the new 360 and better yet the 430 are no more expensive than most high perf sport cars.
There is a 5000 mile or year maintenance which requires a change of oil and many of the fluids. The cost is about $1100.
The second maintenance is the three year or 15,000 mile. It is a little more extensive and usually cost around $4000.
The next maintenance period is the 30,000 mile. I am not sure what is involved but I am told the cost is around $4000.
The F1 clutch will last about 25,000 miles for intense city driving and over 30,000 miles for a combination of city and highway driving. My 430 has over 10,000 miles and has about 22% clutch wear.
BTW a F1 clutch replacement is around $4000.