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Aug 2, 2007 1:30:10 AM

Pink Panther: Pilot; Loc: UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 363, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 4, 2005

Ethos of the GT2

I would be very interested to hear about how the GT2 fits into Porsches line up.

Will it be the perfect car for 997 drivers craving more power but without the 4wd of the turbo?

Will it be like a GT3 with turbos?

Will it be more hardcore than a GT3?

Track biased or road biased?

How will the suspension compare?

Any 996 GT2 owners able to comment?

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Aug 2, 2007 4:26:25 AM

Atzporsche: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Vancouver , Canada; Posts: 9118, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 7, 2005; Reply to: Pink Panther

Re: Ethos of the GT2

not that i own any porsche yet, but i think that the GT2 will be much more hardcore than the GT3s are but feel slightly track orientated. since its RWD it will be able to do things the 997 TT cant. This will make the GT2 a handfull in driving compared to the TT.

just my two cents.

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Aug 2, 2007 7:53:02 AM

BC: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Cape Town , South Africa; Posts: 2586, Gallery; Registered on: May 19, 2005; Reply to: Atzporsche

Re: Ethos of the GT2

I'm really, seriously loving the GT2...

Thinking of dumping all those GT3 thoughts and getting a GT2 instead

... It will be a HUGE stretch for me though...

I think though that they will make the GT2 slightly softer than the GT3...maybe I'm wrong. Whats really dissapointing me though is the sound. Its PATHETIC to be honest. Sounds on the same level like a Golf GTI

Its the only thing I'm not liking about it, besides the price it would go for....obviously

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Aug 2, 2007 8:25:20 AM

Alex_997TT: Rennteam Master; Loc: Reading , United Kingdom; Posts: 3320, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 20, 2005; Reply to: BC

Re: Ethos of the GT2

Here's Tiff comparing the 996 GT2 against the 996 TT and GT3:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fV8faRetpwA

The new GT2 is irrelevant for me as there is no way my other half would let me buy a car with the nickname 'the widowmaker'. PSM or not.

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Aug 2, 2007 9:12:11 AM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: Alex_997TT

Re: Ethos of the GT2

Just don't let her know the nickname, simple

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Aug 2, 2007 9:17:15 AM

Alex_997TT: Rennteam Master; Loc: Reading , United Kingdom; Posts: 3320, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 20, 2005; Reply to: Whoopsy

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Whoopsy said:
Just don't let her know the nickname, simple

...too late. She comes with me to Porsche Club GB meets so has picked such things up already

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Aug 2, 2007 9:24:40 AM

Crash: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Never been to , Antarctica; Posts: 8287, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 17, 2002; Reply to: Alex_997TT

Re: Ethos of the GT2

Just tell her that she gets everything in the event of your unfortunate passing

. Just kidding, of course

.

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Aug 2, 2007 10:01:40 AM

TEE: Veteran; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 929, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 5, 2003; Reply to: Crash

Re: Ethos of the GT2

What a bunch of nonesense. the GT2 is not more hardcore than the GT3...

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Aug 2, 2007 11:17:33 AM

Emperor: Veteran; Loc: London & Gothenburg; Posts: 1013, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 6, 2006; Reply to: TEE

Re: Ethos of the GT2

The GT2 is basically a GT3 but with a different and more powerful engine. It is more or less a car for hardcore 911 fanatics who want the most thrilling rear engine experience.

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Aug 2, 2007 11:59:23 AM

BC: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Cape Town , South Africa; Posts: 2586, Gallery; Registered on: May 19, 2005; Reply to: Emperor

Re: Ethos of the GT2

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luwalira said:
The GT2 is basically a GT3 but with a different and more powerful engine. It is more or less a car for hardcore 911 fanatics who want the most thrilling rear engine
experience.

I'm not complaining

The GT3 is already the most best sportscar out there right now IMO. Put in a more powerful engine and its car-porn.
This thing should be illegal

.. just get the damn thing to sound as much as it costs!!!!

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Aug 2, 2007 12:01:36 PM

BC: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Cape Town , South Africa; Posts: 2586, Gallery; Registered on: May 19, 2005; Reply to: BC

Re: Ethos of the GT2

lol "the most best".

..long day, i apologize

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Aug 2, 2007 1:05:11 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59590, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: BC

Re: Ethos of the GT2

The GT2 is the gentlemen's GT3. Maybe this is the best definition of the GT2. The GT2 isn't more hardcore than the GT3 but it can be faster. For semi-professional track racing, the GT3RS is the better choice but the GT2 is definetely better suited for track racing than the 997 Turbo. Hope this helps a little bit.

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Aug 2, 2007 3:00:58 PM

AUM: Veteran; Loc: Germany; Posts: 1203, Gallery; Registered on: May 2, 2006; Reply to: RC

Re: Ethos of the GT2

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RC said:
The GT2 is the gentlemen's GT3. Maybe this is the best definition of the GT2.

It is a good definition. I recently drove a GT2 and a 996 GT3 RS back to back. The GT2 is quite civilised when not being pushed and is easier to live with as a daily driver. On the track the GT2 is a beast. The perfect car for a gentleman racer.

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Aug 2, 2007 4:43:58 PM

Targa Tim: Expert; Loc: Vancouver, BC, Canada , Canada; Posts: 1475, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 3, 2005; Reply to: AUM

Re: Ethos of the GT2

I seriously doubt that any of us here has the skill to extract the full potential of a GT2, or even a TT or GT3. They are all great cars for someone that can afford them as toys, it does not really matter which one is more hardcore or faster.

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Aug 2, 2007 5:04:09 PM

Pink Panther: Pilot; Loc: UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 363, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 4, 2005; Reply to: Targa Tim

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You sound like someone who has no interest in cars.

If I'm considering putting my name down against a car that's not out yet I'd want to know what it's like. If it's more hardcore than a GT3 i'm not interested. If it's faster than a GT3 then I will enjoy this benefit without taking the car to the limit.

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Aug 2, 2007 5:46:03 PM

LoranTw: Senior; Loc: Canada; Posts: 569, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 14, 2006; Reply to: Pink Panther

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In his defense, most people as you acknowledge won't take it to the limit so the distinction is blurred, we are talking cars that are primarily designed for the road

I didn't take his comment as a sign he is disinterested in cars.

Targa seems to look at things from a practical road driving consumers perspective. One can't be all things..but when we talk about at best 10 seconds seperating a car from another over a 7 plus minute track ...the seperation is academic for a road car...all sutleties aside. I like the turbo because it is fast..plus it has a number of features not found in other more track oriented cars. It's not the fastest in some circumstances...but under others it is by far the fastest...no contest. But at the end of the day...nobody discovers that on the road against a suitably matched driver because it is too dangerous...so it all depends on the way you view things.

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Aug 2, 2007 7:59:38 PM

STRADALE: Rennteam VIP; Loc: NY , United States; Posts: 11075, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 9, 2005; Reply to: Targa Tim

Re: Ethos of the GT2

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Targa Tim said:
I seriously doubt that any of us here has the skill to extract the full potential of a GT2, or even a TT or GT3. They are all great cars for someone that can afford them as toys, it does not really matter which one is more hardcore or faster.

That's a weird statement coming from someone that owns BMW's & Porsche's.....

You don't have to be at any cars maximum speed to really enjoy the very best it has to offer. When sports car clueless people ask me - "Nice car but when do you open it up?" My response is always the same - "Everytime I hit the gas pedal to the floor". Although I've been at 165mph in my CS, I don't need to be doing 185mph to enjoy a car capable of 193mph, it could be the feeling of going 0-60 or 40 to 75. It could be the turn you take at 65mph that you couldn't safely take at 35mph in a lesser car that makes Porsche's/Ferrari's so much fun. But it's not just about acceleration or turning it could even be the turn I make because I was able to slow down so quickly or even the accident I may have avoided because the brakes are so good. They're not just "toys" and if you're driving them as such that's too bad if you don't drive your Porsche different than you would a Honda Accord than that's a waste.

I like to go fast. one of the greatest things about cars like the GT3 or the Turbo, GT3 is you can go fast but at that speed they are much safer then lesser cars because they are designed for it. So it's not just about using every bit the cars is capable of it's also about having a high performance car that makes you better at whatever your own personal limits of speed/safety are.

You don't have to be a driver that can "extract the full potential of a GT2, or even a TT or GT3" to enjoy them and enjoy them for their differences. That's like saying if you can't play tennis like Nadel there's no sense of having an excellent tennis racket and you may as well be wearing cowboy boots on the court because you're not going to extract everything from those Nike's or if you can't ride Motocross like Jeremy McGrath you're not going to get any use from a High performance dirt bike. There are only a hand-ful of people in the world that could "extract the full potential" of cars like those on a race-track but guess what the feel that those cars you mention give can be appreciated by anyone w/ nominal skills & common sense. You think they're only good as "toy's"? Speak fer yourslf friend. So there. LoL!

All the above not really meant to sound serious so please don't take it as such it was just bottled up from having to answer silly questions from people outside this forum

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Aug 2, 2007 8:39:14 PM

thuggy: Veteran; Loc: PA & CA , United States; Posts: 834, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 22, 2006; Reply to: Targa Tim

Re: Ethos of the GT2

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Targa Tim said:
I seriously doubt that any of us here has the skill to extract the full potential of a GT2, or even a TT or GT3. They are all great cars for someone that can afford them as toys, it does not really matter which one is more hardcore or faster.

But its fun to discuss

But you should probably be made aware that there are some on the board that do have the background to come close.

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Aug 2, 2007 11:36:09 PM

Targa Tim: Expert; Loc: Vancouver, BC, Canada , Canada; Posts: 1475, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 3, 2005; Reply to: LoranTw

Re: Ethos of the GT2

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LoranTw said:
In his defense, most people as you acknowledge won't take it to the limit so the distinction is blurred, we are talking cars that are primarily designed for the road I didn't take his comment as a sign he is disinterested in cars. Targa seems to look at things from a practical road driving consumers perspective. One can't be all things..but when we talk about at best 10 seconds seperating a car from another over a 7 plus minute track ...the seperation is academic for a road car...all sutleties aside. I like the turbo because it is fast..plus it has a number of features not found in other more track oriented cars. It's not the fastest in some circumstances...but under others it is by far the fastest...no contest. But at the end of the day...nobody discovers that on the road against a suitably matched driver because it is too dangerous...so it all depends on the way you view things.

Thanks Brother. This is exactly what I meant, but you said it better.

Comparing a GT2, TT and GT3 is all academic as far as I'm concerned. They are all at the top of sport cars ranking and no one car is better than the other. I can appreciate that they will drive and handle better than my 997S, but at the end of the day, we are not race car drivers and my 997S is more than enough to satisfy my daily need. Does this make me less of a car guy than someone who owns Ferrari or Lambo or higher models Porsche than I am? I don't think so. I can easily afford a CGT if I wants to, but there are things other than cars that I like to spend my money on. There is definitely a limit on my driving skills and owning a GT2 will not make me a better man or a truer car guy. Not sure if people will understand my thoughts, but at least there is no flame in my post.

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Aug 2, 2007 11:45:08 PM

Targa Tim: Expert; Loc: Vancouver, BC, Canada , Canada; Posts: 1475, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 3, 2005; Reply to: STRADALE

Re: Ethos of the GT2

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STRADALE said:
Quote:
Targa Tim said:
I seriously doubt that any of us here has the skill to extract the full potential of a GT2, or even a TT or GT3. They are all great cars for someone that can afford them as toys, it does not really matter which one is more hardcore or faster.

That's a weird statement coming from someone that owns BMW's & Porsche's.....

You don't have to be at any cars maximum speed to really enjoy the very best it has to offer. When sports car clueless people ask me - "Nice car but when do you open it up?" My response is always the same - "Everytime I hit the gas pedal to the floor". Although I've been at 165mph in my CS, I don't need to be doing 185mph to enjoy a car capable of 193mph, it could be the feeling of going 0-60 or 40 to 75. It could be the turn you take at 65mph that you couldn't safely take at 35mph in a lesser car that makes Porsche's/Ferrari's so much fun. But it's not just about acceleration or turning it could even be the turn I make because I was able to slow down so quickly or even the accident I may have avoided because the brakes are so good. They're not just "toys" and if you're driving them as such that's too bad if you don't drive your Porsche different than you would a Honda Accord than that's a waste.

I like to go fast. one of the greatest things about cars like the GT3 or the Turbo, GT3 is you can go fast but at that speed they are much safer then lesser cars because they are designed for it. So it's not just about using every bit the cars is capable of it's also about having a high performance car that makes you better at whatever your own personal limits of speed/safety are.

You don't have to be a driver that can "extract the full potential of a GT2, or even a TT or GT3" to enjoy them and enjoy them for their differences. That's like saying if you can't play tennis like Nadel there's no sense of having an excellent tennis racket and you may as well be wearing cowboy boots on the court because you're not going to extract everything from those Nike's or if you can't ride Motocross like Jeremy McGrath you're not going to get any use from a High performance dirt bike. There are only a hand-ful of people in the world that could "extract the full potential" of cars like those on a race-track but guess what the feel that those cars you mention give can be appreciated by anyone w/ nominal skills & common sense. You think they're only good as "toy's"? Speak fer yourslf friend. So there. LoL!

All the above not really meant to sound serious so please don't take it as such it was just bottled up from having to answer silly questions from people outside this forum

Hi Stradale,

I appreciate your thoughts and actually agreed with you.

However I still have to refer our cars to "toys" as we don't need to drive fast. We enjoy driving fast as it gives us pleasure. We worked hard and become successful, therefore we can afford our toys to give us pleasure. When someone is out of money, he will have to either take a bus or drive a crappy old car to go to work. No matter how big a car guy he is, he cannot afford a fast "toy".

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Aug 3, 2007 12:35:19 AM

Pink Panther: Pilot; Loc: UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 363, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 4, 2005; Reply to: Targa Tim

Re: Ethos of the GT2

Quote:
Targa Tim said:
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LoranTw said:
In his defense, most people as you acknowledge won't take it to the limit so the distinction is blurred, we are talking cars that are primarily designed for the road I didn't take his comment as a sign he is disinterested in cars. Targa seems to look at things from a practical road driving consumers perspective. One can't be all things..but when we talk about at best 10 seconds seperating a car from another over a 7 plus minute track ...the seperation is academic for a road car...all sutleties aside. I like the turbo because it is fast..plus it has a number of features not found in other more track oriented cars. It's not the fastest in some circumstances...but under others it is by far the fastest...no contest. But at the end of the day...nobody discovers that on the road against a suitably matched driver because it is too dangerous...so it all depends on the way you view things.

Thanks Brother. This is exactly what I meant, but you said it better.

Comparing a GT2, TT and GT3 is all academic as far as I'm concerned. They are all at the top of sport cars ranking and no one car is better than the other. I can appreciate that they will drive and handle better than my 997S, but at the end of the day, we are not race car drivers and my 997S is more than enough to satisfy my daily need. Does this make me less of a car guy than someone who owns Ferrari or Lambo or higher models Porsche than I am? I don't think so. I can easily afford a CGT if I wants to, but there are things other than cars that I like to spend my money on. There is definitely a limit on my driving skills and owning a GT2 will not make me a better man or a truer car guy. Not sure if people will understand my thoughts, but at least there is no flame in my post.

Hi Tim,
Firstly can I apologise for stating that you sound like someone who has no interest in cars. I certainly didnt want to flame you. Our approach to cars are very different and that's part of what makes this board interesting. I understand that comparing these top cars has no meaning to you because they are all so capable. In that sense I agree as I am a pretty novice driver too. However, despite their minmal difference in performance, their difference in user experience is vast. The GT3 and TT are worlds apart in how they deliver their fun. A difference I can appreciate on normal roads without putting myself or other drivers at risk. They are also very different in terms of how much time you can spend in them touring comfortably. I suspect the GT2 will be a very exciting car to drive. Wont make me a better driver or better car guy but will very likely give me a lot more fun.

BTW, why did you pick the 997S over the 997?

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Aug 3, 2007 12:54:23 AM

Pink Panther: Pilot; Loc: UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 363, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 4, 2005; Reply to: Targa Tim

Re: Ethos of the GT2

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Targa Tim said:
...owning a GT2 will not make me a better man or a truer car guy. Not sure if people will understand my thoughts, but at least there is no flame in my post.

Yes there is. By inference. Not to mention the flame icon you used earlier

A little heat is fine by me as long as we don't offend each other.

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Aug 3, 2007 2:09:52 AM

Targa Tim: Expert; Loc: Vancouver, BC, Canada , Canada; Posts: 1475, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 3, 2005; Reply to: Pink Panther

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Hi Paul,

No offense whatsoever. Discussion is what makes this thread interesting.

I picked a 997S mainly because it is a "relatively" better deal than a 997 given the options (xenons, PASM, etc) that I want. I can appreciate that the regular 997 by itself is adequate for my driving need.

The more I read into yours and Stradale's post, I can appreciate that each of those cars is very capable and yet offers different driving experience. My stand remains that they are each unique on their own, and one is not better than the other. All of them exceed my driving need, hence I conclude that it just "academic" to compare them. For someone that has better driving skills and may have more open road to drive daily, I can understand why they will pick one over the other.

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Aug 3, 2007 6:13:21 AM

intouch1: Rennteam Master; Loc: Red Sea , Egypt; Posts: 5752, Gallery; Registered on: May 22, 2004; Reply to: Targa Tim

Re: Ethos of the GT2

its not supposed to make you a better driver, just a 'happier' driver

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Aug 3, 2007 3:43:27 PM

nberry: Rennteam VIP; Loc: La Jolla, USA , United States; Posts: 13737, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: Targa Tim

Re: Ethos of the GT2

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Targa Tim said:
Quote:
LoranTw said:
In his defense, most people as you acknowledge won't take it to the limit so the distinction is blurred, we are talking cars that are primarily designed for the road I didn't take his comment as a sign he is disinterested in cars. Targa seems to look at things from a practical road driving consumers perspective. One can't be all things..but when we talk about at best 10 seconds seperating a car from another over a 7 plus minute track ...the seperation is academic for a road car...all sutleties aside. I like the turbo because it is fast..plus it has a number of features not found in other more track oriented cars. It's not the fastest in some circumstances...but under others it is by far the fastest...no contest. But at the end of the day...nobody discovers that on the road against a suitably matched driver because it is too dangerous...so it all depends on the way you view things.

Thanks Brother. This is exactly what I meant, but you said it better.

Comparing a GT2, TT and GT3 is all academic as far as I'm concerned. They are all at the top of sport cars ranking and no one car is better than the other. I can appreciate that they will drive and handle better than my 997S, but at the end of the day, we are not race car drivers and my 997S is more than enough to satisfy my daily need. Does this make me less of a car guy than someone who owns Ferrari or Lambo or higher models Porsche than I am? I don't think so. I can easily afford a CGT if I wants to, but there are things other than cars that I like to spend my money on. There is definitely a limit on my driving skills and owning a GT2 will not make me a better man or a truer car guy. Not sure if people will understand my thoughts, but at least there is no flame in my post.

I certainly agree with your post.

FWIW I would wager that 99% of the site members would do better track times in the TT than the GT3 and GT2. The reasons for doing so are obvious and make your point.

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Aug 3, 2007 3:51:06 PM

Pink Panther: Pilot; Loc: UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 363, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 4, 2005; Reply to: nberry

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... but tbis does NOT conclude that the GT2 is not a good buy for those 99%.

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Aug 3, 2007 11:26:03 PM

nberry: Rennteam VIP; Loc: La Jolla, USA , United States; Posts: 13737, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: Pink Panther

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Pink Panther said:
... but tbis does NOT conclude that the GT2 is not a good buy for those 99%.

I guess if your the type of person that likes to buy things which have all the "bells and whistles" which you would never use then your right.

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Aug 4, 2007 1:38:39 AM

Pink Panther: Pilot; Loc: UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 363, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 4, 2005; Reply to: nberry

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I think you missed my point which is understandable as it wasn't made very well.

Like other posters, I find the 997S/4S lacking in torque. I know the TT would be more than enough but find it less entertaining than the S/4S due to it's lack of exhaust roar. The GT3 is more my sort of car but too track focused for me. The GT2 may be the most fun 911 available with all the right noises, lots of power and maybe the right bias between road and track. I was hoping for input from 996 GT2 owners more than posts that seem to indicate this thread is academic to all but WR and the like.

I'm simply pointing out that people may buy a GT2 for reasons other than getting a quicker lap time.

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Aug 4, 2007 1:47:30 AM

Pink Panther: Pilot; Loc: UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 363, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 4, 2005; Reply to: nberry

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nberry said:
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Pink Panther said:
... but tbis does NOT conclude that the GT2 is not a good buy for those 99%.

I guess if your the type of person that likes to buy things which have all the "bells and whistles" which you would never use then your right.

What 'bells and whistles' are you referring to? Is this a horn upgrade?

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Aug 4, 2007 4:15:09 AM

Ksurg: Junior; Loc: SF Bay Area, CA; Posts: 77, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 15, 2007; Reply to: Pink Panther

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Pink Panther said:
I think you missed my point which is understandable as it wasn't made very well.

Like other posters, I find the 997S/4S lacking in torque. I know the TT would be more than enough but find it less entertaining than the S/4S due to it's lack of exhaust roar. The GT3 is more my sort of car but too track focused for me. The GT2 may be the most fun 911 available with all the right noises, lots of power and maybe the right bias between road and track. I was hoping for input from 996 GT2 owners more than posts that seem to indicate this thread is academic to all but WR and the like.

I'm simply pointing out that people may buy a GT2 for reasons other than getting a quicker lap time.

Do you really think the GT2 will be less track focused than the GT3? I'm not so sure. Also unless you happen to have exceptional driving skills I'd be careful letting loose in the GT2. The potential to lose it is significant. Think about it!
If you are a good but not great driver( like most of us I suspect), love torque, and want a vehicle mostly the road consider a TT with power package and sport exhaust when available. Just my humble opinion.

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