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    31-May-2004 10:08:41

    RCA
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    Off-Road Navigation Option

    Here's a first picture of my retrofitted Off-Road navigation.
    As I mentioned before, the Off-Road Nav is already integrated into the PCM2 software and has to be unlocked with a special code from Porsche with the Piwis system.
    To my knowledge, this option wasn't officially available for retrofit when I did it on my car but maybe now...just ask your dealer if you're interested.

    Advantage of the Off-Road navigation: you get a digital compass and the display also shows in which angle the front wheels are. You also get a precise GPS position and the height above the sea on the same page.
    But the best thing is actually: the Off-Road navigation allows to backtrace a route if you activated the backtrace option.
    Meaning: if you travel through unknown territory, you just activate backtrace and the Off-Road navigation leads you back exactly to the point where you started.
    It works up to a distance of around 170-180 kph.

    31-May-2004 10:22:18

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    Re: Off-Road Navigation Option

    Christian i have a question for you...

    maybe today or tomorrow i send you a PM..

    hihihihih

    ciao
    Dario

    31-May-2004 11:44:08

    Michael (ex. partyboy)
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    Re: Off-Road Navigation Option

    RC, you mean that it's possible to unlock this function?

    I have only to go to a porsche dealer?

    (I have a 2003 Cayenne S?)

    31-May-2004 12:30:30

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    Re: Off-Road Navigation Option

    Quote:
    Michael (ex. partyboy) said:
    RC, you mean that it's possible to unlock this function?

    I have only to go to a porsche dealer?

    (I have a 2003 Cayenne S?)



    Yes. He can get an unlock code from Porsche but as I said before, I don't know if the retrofit option is already officially available.
    Anyway: the off-road navigation is ALREADY embedded in the PCM2 software, it just has to be unlocked. No new software or any update necessary.

    31-May-2004 12:51:03

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    Re: Off-Road Navigation Option

    yes rc, but it looks like it causes it to display all kind of wierd things (ie: dots above your "o"s and "a"s). couldn't understand a word of it. maybe you should change it back or have it looked at

    31-May-2004 12:51:46

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    Re: Off-Road Navigation Option

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    yes rc, but it looks like it causes it to display all kind of wierd things with weird symbols. couldn't understand a word of it. maybe you should change it back or have it looked at



    31-May-2004 13:02:58

    ben, lj
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    Re: Off-Road Navigation Option

    btw rc, we finally bought a turbo cayenne "for the baby" (haha) yesterday.

    31-May-2004 13:41:09

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    Re: Off-Road Navigation Option

    RC, Is it possible to get Off-road Navigation and the compass in dash options at the same time? Thanks in Advance

    31-May-2004 13:46:16

    Michael (ex. partyboy)
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    Re: Off-Road Navigation Option

    ok thanks...

    but did you pay for it? I mean, is it something, a customer has to pay for it?

    31-May-2004 15:04:57

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    Re: Off-Road Navigation Option

    Funny toy ,I know.
    I odered it but i'm sure that I'll never use.
    But I'd like to know if it's possible to have it without paying.
    If so ....

    31-May-2004 21:26:47

    RCA
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    Re: Off-Road Navigation Option

    Quote:
    sergini said:
    Funny toy ,I know.
    I odered it but i'm sure that I'll never use.
    But I'd like to know if it's possible to have it without paying.
    If so ....



    Whoever wants the Off-Road Nav retrofit has to PAY for it, this is no free shot.
    Cost should be the same as from factory but dealers can charge a few bucks for the unlock procedure.
    The unlock code is ONLY available from Porsche, it is not a free gift and costs money.

    31-May-2004 21:31:00

    Michael (ex. partyboy)
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    Re: Off-Road Navigation Option

    RC I'm from Switzerland, perhaps you know, how much it costs to unlock, in Euro or SFr.?

    31-May-2004 21:42:01

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    Re: Off-Road Navigation Option

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    Michael (ex. partyboy) said:
    RC I'm from Switzerland, perhaps you know, how much it costs to unlock, in Euro or SFr.?





    To my knowledge it costs 150 Euro to unlock but the dealer may charge his "unlock work" too, maybe additional 20-30 Euro (not sure).
    The unlock process is pretty easy: the dealer has to get from Porsche the code numbers info sheet.
    This is where you can find the VIN, production number, motronic serial number, PCM2 serial number, etc.
    There is one line saying "Offroad Navicode". This is the unlock code you need for unlocking the Offroad nav option in the PCM2. Your dealer connects the new PIWIS system tester (don't know if it is possible with the old PST2!) to your car and enters the code from the code sheet in a menue option where it says "Off-Road navigation unlock" (or something similar, I don't remember ).

    It is pretty intuitive, your dealer can't do anything wrong.

    A last word: the Offroad Navicode might be on the code sheet ONLY if Porsche "approved" it. The code sheet comes directly from Porsche, this is nothing your dealer has in his documents. In Germany, the dealer gets it online directly from Porsche.

    31-May-2004 22:04:36

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    Re: Off-Road Navigation Option

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    RC, Is it possible to get Off-road Navigation and the compass in dash options at the same time? Thanks in Advance



    The answer is no... when ordering one or the other the other will conflict... the reason is cuz both are just software unlocks... I wanted to order both on my Turbo... but it is impossible... upside is... offroad nav = Compass + more cool stuff... so it makes the compass obsolete... compass = $95-$110 option... offroad nav = $190... makes sense to go for offroad nav.

    Nu - 18 days till my Grand Tour Euro Delivery... 19 days till I get to drive my baby

    31-May-2004 22:05:13

    Michael (ex. partyboy)
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    Re: Off-Road Navigation Option

    so I think I have to ask first, if he knows how to do it....

    31-May-2004 22:33:40

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    Re: Off-Road Navigation Option

    Thanks for the info! I wonder if it is possible to unlock both options?

    31-May-2004 23:28:14

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    Re: Off-Road Navigation Option

    Quote:
    Senninha said:
    Thanks for the info! I wonder if it is possible to unlock both options?



    I don't think so and I wonder why. Because when I use the Off-Road navigation, the speedo display stays dark instead of showing the compass. Maybe the waypoints show up as soon as the Backtrace function is activated but I didn't try it yet.

    31-May-2004 23:33:21

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    Re: Off-Road Navigation Option

    It's interesting the Porsche is making a special deal about these functions. The VW Touareg has both the off road navigation and the compass/altitude (on road as well) functional as part of their standard nav package in the USA. They also give you the CDs for all of the country not just one region.

    31-May-2004 23:36:32

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    Re: Off-Road Navigation Option

    Quote:
    Seth said:
    It's interesting the Porsche is making a special deal about these functions. The VW Touareg has both the off road navigation and the compass/altitude (on road as well) functional as part of their standard nav package in the USA. They also give you the CDs for all of the country not just one region.



    Nobody said that Porsche doesn't know how to earn money.

    01-Jun-2004 00:34:39

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    Re: Off-Road Navigation Option

    Does it "need" the second GPS unit required for the Compass display ?

    01-Jun-2004 03:00:05

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    Re: Off-Road Navigation Option

    It shouldn't in theory. A unit like a Garmin Street Pilot III will give you a split screen with an active routing map and compass/altitude/speed plus voice turns all in one small unit.

    01-Jun-2004 11:16:29

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    Re: Off-Road Navigation Option

    The reason I ask is that when I asked for the compass display to be activated, they needed to fit a unit under the back seat and a new antenna. I did not proceed.

    01-Jun-2004 12:53:43

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    Re: Off-Road Navigation Option

    How can they do that when the compass display is only an $80 option. Surely an additional GPS and antenna cost more than $80 when factory installed. Perhaps only the retrofit requires the additional GPS and antenna?

    01-Jun-2004 19:33:43

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    Re: Off-Road Navigation Option

    Its back to the VIN specific harnesses I think, the actual antenna are cheap. Remember I got the front mounting plate for the tag for $6.95.

    Also a good reference point is the tow hitch, 6/700 vs 1500

    02-Jun-2004 16:27:27

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    Re: Off-Road Navigation Option

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    Mick said:
    The reason I ask is that when I asked for the compass display to be activated, they needed to fit a unit under the back seat and a new antenna. I did not proceed.



    This doesn't sound right. The Off-Road Nav already includes a compass, so why would the compass in the middle display require a second antenna or even a second GSP unit???
    Why would a GPS system require two antennas or even two seperate units because one is enough to offer a compass function?!

    03-Jun-2004 00:02:36

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    Re: Off-Road Navigation Option

    "Porsche, by design "

     
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