May 11, 2004 9:01:29 PM
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carlos fromspain said: I guess its a matter of use, I regularly drive my 996 at 180km/h averages in the highway and I find myself b/w 5th and 6th gear at WOT constantly with 300HP falling clearly short. ...
So you are right about lusting the turbo, but just like RC, I will have to settle for the 997S...
May 11, 2004 9:11:58 PM
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carlosfromspain said:
I find myself b/w 5th and 6th gear at WOT constantly with 300HP falling clearly short.
May 11, 2004 9:27:17 PM
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ADias said:
You say 180Km/h (112MPH) average. Unless your speed variance is large, it surprises me that you need to shift down to 5th... I drive routinely within a range of 180-210Km/h here out West (Nevada/Arizona) and have no lack of power.
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ADias said:
I see a lot of comparing to the E55, SL55, etc. I note that those engines are turbos, therefore any comparison must be to the 911 Turbo - and the price is about the same.
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BTW, I love Galicia Vigo/La Coruna/Santiago - Saludos!
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... it surprises me that you need to shift down to 5th... I drive routinely within a range of 180-210Km/h here out West (Nevada/Arizona) and have no lack of power.
May 11, 2004 9:33:11 PM
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carlosfromspain said:
I find myself b/w 5th and 6th gear at WOT constantly with 300HP falling clearly short.
Carlos, that means you're between 130 and 160 mph ( 210 and 260 kph) in those gears. What part of that are you not finding fast enough? Are you talking about accelleration at the top of the final gearing?
I don't understand what you're saying.
Dain
May 11, 2004 9:45:50 PM
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fritz said:
A common scenario on unrestricted German Autobahns.
But in Spain,Carlos?
May 11, 2004 9:51:14 PM
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carlos fromspain said:
I was in Orlando a 2 years ago and I couln't believe it! no curves, all straights, no mountains, all flat, and 10,000 lanes but everyone was going at the same slow speed in caravan like a herd, even the left outermost ones! so were talking on the phone without hands free kit, some eating, some just sitting like they were driving their lazyboy chair of their living room... I was on the verge of a nervous breakdown
May 11, 2004 9:54:03 PM
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carlos fromspain said:
I was in Orlando a 2 years ago and I couln't believe it! no curves, all straights, no mountains, all flat, and 10,000 lanes but everyone was going at the same slow speed in caravan like a herd, even the left outermost ones! so were talking on the phone without hands free kit, some eating, some just sitting like they were driving their lazyboy chair of their living room... I was on the verge of a nervous breakdown
May 11, 2004 10:13:32 PM
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carlos fromspain said:
I was in Orlando a 2 years ago and I couln't believe it! no curves, all straights, no mountains, all flat, and 10,000 lanes but everyone was going at the same slow speed in caravan like a herd, even the left outermost ones! so were talking on the phone without hands free kit, some eating, some just sitting like they were driving their lazyboy chair of their living room... I was on the verge of a nervous breakdown
May 11, 2004 10:15:58 PM
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Captain Bady said:
Carlos, didn't you think that Porsche may want to keep their clients by not DEVALUATING hardly the 996 increasing the power of the 997?
Thats part of the game, its called evolution and development. Every 6 or so years a new model comes out with along many other things, improved engine performance than the previous model. When I bought my 996 it had 300HP then shortly after a facelift to 320HP and now the new model should increase accordingly just like the rest of the industry. And my 996 will gradually fall back as time goes by, and I accept that. If you buy a 911 close to the end of its lifespan you accept than when the new model comes out it will have increased HP, otherwise evolution will be halted, and the 911 will lag behind what it once was. Is the 998 supposed to have the same HP approx than the 997 as well so as not to devaluate the 997? we would be driving around 130HP 996s if that were the case engine output increase with each new model is the only way the car can survive, and a norm in the industry. If you buy a 996 towards the end of its lifespan you can't expect Porsche to maintain the performance so as not to hurt resale, that is part of what you accept whe you buy the car, like I did with my 996. This is verfy dangerous for the 911 since its creating a big weak point in the 911 that other makers can exploit by making "similar" cars with adecuate HP, also 996 owners may not upgrade since the 997 will not be as appealing since not that much is changed in performance, let not forget that previous 996 owners are the most important market for the 997 and Porsche should incentivate "recycling" of their models by their cutomers to maintain the company, and following this road will just make things worse and worse as time go by.
HP increases within the same model is more questionalble though since they can offer that HP since the beginning and its only done for marketing-sales reasons.
May 11, 2004 10:45:58 PM
May 11, 2004 10:53:46 PM
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carlos fromspain said:
But when I dish out the $ for a new model, I expect an improvement in all the areas not just a different face.
At least they didn't halt the handling improvements instead of halting the engine performance, now that would of been a seroius problem
May 11, 2004 10:56:42 PM
May 11, 2004 11:00:36 PM
May 11, 2004 11:15:29 PM
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I hate to repeat myself, Carlos.
Wait until you see it in person and we talk again.
What did you expect? A radical design change as from the 993 to the 996? They couldn't do it for various reasons. This is actually how the 911 keeps up it's value, all people recognize the 911, no matter if it is a 1960 or 2004 model.
Honestly, I think the 997 is the perfect 911. Of course I wish they had added more power and less weight but you can't have it all, right? If the quality is right too, the 997 might sell even better than the 996. Now all we need over here in Europe is a stronger economy...
May 11, 2004 11:15:54 PM
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Captain Bady said:Anyway, just to make you a comparative example. You see it with motorbikes, Do you think that the battle of power will go further on between the GSXR - R1 - ZX ? It will stop one day. Does Ducati follow them? No Try to see Porsche in the same position of Ducati ( I apologise if I offended Porsche . I actually feel like I did as I am not a great fan of Ducati )
May 11, 2004 11:26:23 PM
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Captain Bady said:Anyway, just to make you a comparative example. You see it with motorbikes, Do you think that the battle of power will go further on between the GSXR - R1 - ZX ? It will stop one day. Does Ducati follow them? No Try to see Porsche in the same position of Ducati ( I apologise if I offended Porsche . I actually feel like I did as I am not a great fan of Ducati )
Tell me about it, I bought the 2002 GSX-R1000 (that was introduced only one year earlier) since it was the fastest bike then, and next year Suzuki launches the improved new 2003 GSX-R1000, new chasis, new front brakes, slimmer, etc... to make a long story short, I ended turning in my one year old 2002 for the new 2003 Now Ducati doesn't follow for a different reason, its because they simply can't, V-twin configuration is getting outdated and can't come close to the HP outputs and even the torque of the new generation in-line 4's in the track they just get killed by them, and they are lighter, and much cheaper, and more reliable, and...
BTW, thanks for the B-day
May 12, 2004 11:01:05 PM
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May 14, 2004 12:07:34 PM
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I guess this is that special thing about the 911. Even if you drive a 10 years old 911, it still doesn't seem to be outdated.