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Re: 991 GT2 RS (2017) - Rumors, speculations and gossip
MKSGR:KresoF1:Great car. I would get it over 720S any time. But, I have to admit that I am Porsche fan.
BTW, top speed is in 7th gear.
That also explains the rather good 0-300 time - narrow gears
Gearing doesn't make that much difference, for 200 to 300kph real hp is needed, at 13.8s the GT2RS has real 700 ponies, what a beast, only £207K in the UK, will be interesting to see who gets an allocation.
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Re: 991 GT2 RS (2017) - Rumors, speculations and gossip
TB993tt:MKSGR:KresoF1:Great car. I would get it over 720S any time. But, I have to admit that I am Porsche fan.
BTW, top speed is in 7th gear.
That also explains the rather good 0-300 time - narrow gears
Gearing doesn't make that much difference, for 200 to 300kph real hp is needed, at 13.8s the GT2RS has real 700 ponies, what a beast, only £207K in the UK, will be interesting to see who gets an allocation.
..whoever pays the money. but maybe RHD is more restricted.
Re: 991 GT2 RS (2017) - Rumors, speculations and gossip
Gauss:just noticed that the UK configurator says "limited availability" while the others (e.g. german) do not.
The UK will probably end getting around 50 of them,,, if that 
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Re: 991 GT2 RS (2017) - Rumors, speculations and gossip
throt:Gauss:just noticed that the UK configurator says "limited availability" while the others (e.g. german) do not.
The UK will probably end getting around 50 of them,,, if that
All the GT models cause lots of squabbling.
Still beats me why they don't send more here given how significant a market it is 
Jul 1, 2017 12:15:27 PM
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Re: 991 GT2 RS (2017) - Rumors, speculations and gossip
SciFrog:crayphile:pmarkow:ferrari has surprised a lot recently with their naming stategy.What do you think is worse - the Ferrari naming strategy or the McLaren model strategy
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McLaren strategy is the best. Design and produce the best car you can at a certain point of time, build a series of them for a couple of years, when enough advances have been made, just produce a new car and move on. If you don't want the latest greatest you can buy a 2-3 year old previous model fr a significant discount. Porsche strategy of voluntarly not releasing new cars for 3 to 4 years is just about making more money, and on top of it they are holding back on the improvements and hp just because they can. In the end, Porsche produces cars that are good just enough to sell well, not the best car they could build. Bean counters ruined the regular 911 and are also the reason why Porsche refuses to produce the cars that really excite people anymore. Look how many here have moved away from the 911...
You could justify Porsche strategy in the past when 911 were a good value, but the price increases of the last 15 years have ruined the equation. Porsche should make better cars or cheaper cars. Not sure how long their strategy will work, maybe until the next financial crisis.Long live McLaren, they are revitalizing the sport car industry and push Porsche out of their confort zone. I would buy a McLaren just to support their spirit if I cared for ultra performance two seaters.
As a weekend toy, yes, McLaren is great but as a frequent, semi daily driver (my case) it's not even close to ANY 911 variant, simply because of the necessary drama involved every time you get in or out ( particularly when your wife/girlfriend is trying to do it graciously).
Current design just can not compete for practicality necessary in frequent use.
Jul 1, 2017 1:23:16 PM
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Re: 991 GT2 RS (2017) - Rumors, speculations and gossip
absent:SciFrog:crayphile:pmarkow:ferrari has surprised a lot recently with their naming stategy.What do you think is worse - the Ferrari naming strategy or the McLaren model strategy
McLaren strategy is the best. Design and produce the best car you can at a certain point of time, build a series of them for a couple of years, when enough advances have been made, just produce a new car and move on. If you don't want the latest greatest you can buy a 2-3 year old previous model fr a significant discount. Porsche strategy of voluntarly not releasing new cars for 3 to 4 years is just about making more money, and on top of it they are holding back on the improvements and hp just because they can. In the end, Porsche produces cars that are good just enough to sell well, not the best car they could build. Bean counters ruined the regular 911 and are also the reason why Porsche refuses to produce the cars that really excite people anymore. Look how many here have moved away from the 911...
You could justify Porsche strategy in the past when 911 were a good value, but the price increases of the last 15 years have ruined the equation. Porsche should make better cars or cheaper cars. Not sure how long their strategy will work, maybe until the next financial crisis.Long live McLaren, they are revitalizing the sport car industry and push Porsche out of their confort zone. I would buy a McLaren just to support their spirit if I cared for ultra performance two seaters.
As a weekend toy, yes, McLaren is great but as a frequent, semi daily driver (my case) it's not even close to ANY 911 variant, simply because of the necessary drama involved every time you get in or out ( particularly when your wife/girlfriend is trying to do it graciously).
Current design just can not compete for practicality necessary in frequent use.
By ANY you exclude the GT variants I guess. Because the 488 is sureley a far, far better daily driver than the GT3 RS and I from what I've heard the 720 is even more comfortable. Of course attention is a probmem but that's another story.
Re: 991 GT2 RS (2017) - Rumors, speculations and gossip
crayphile:throt:Gauss:just noticed that the UK configurator says "limited availability" while the others (e.g. german) do not.
The UK will probably end getting around 50 of them,,, if that
All the GT models cause lots of squabbling.
Still beats me why they don't send more here given how significant a market it is
The 997 GT2 was available to anyone who wanted one in the UK (same with the 996) and it had a normal depreciation curve back then losing around half its value in 3 years, they had 62 buyers. I think Porsche know the real market is around that 50 mark in the UK and they won't succumb to fuelling the current hype around their halo models.
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Jul 1, 2017 2:00:56 PM
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Re: 991 GT2 RS (2017) - Rumors, speculations and gossip
DaveGordon:Presumably because they can sell all they build into markets where the price is higher..
US price is the highest (relative to other models within same market)
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Re: 991 GT2 RS (2017) - Rumors, speculations and gossip
By ANY you exclude the GT variants I guess. Because the 488 is sureley a far, far better daily driver than the GT3 RS and I from what I've heard the 720 is even more comfortable. Of course attention is a probmem but that's another story.
I did not mention Ferrari, discussion involved McLaren only and yes, even a GT3RS is easier to get in or out then even the 720 (although much improved).
Stiff ride is a more personal issue, more or less important depending on who you talk to.
Re: 991 GT2 RS (2017) - Rumors, speculations and gossip
pmarkow:i hear 5000 (!!!!) gt2rs for the EC market. so much about buying and flipping.
That would be impossible.
At 100k-200k, that's very possible.
At 200k, the pool of buyer will get thinner.
At 300k, the pool gets real thin.
My guess is that they wouldn't be selling much more than 1000, max 1500.
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Re: 991 GT2 RS (2017) - Rumors, speculations and gossip
They'll make as many as they can sell in a reasonable amount of time. If they don't say it's limited to a specific number, then it's simply limited by demand and the time they think is worth spending on it. They aren't going to keep production going just for the few orders that may trickle in later in the game, but if demand is for 50K of them, you can bet they'll make 50K and keep production going longer. If demand tanks, production ends. Pretty simple.
It's $300K 911 at the end of the day. The 300K niche isn't big in the first place, let alone for a 911. There will only be so much demand at this price.
Re: 991 GT2 RS (2017) - Rumors, speculations and gossip
Whoopsy:pmarkow:i hear 5000 (!!!!) gt2rs for the EC market. so much about buying and flipping.
That would be impossible.
At 100k-200k, that's very possible.
At 200k, the pool of buyer will get thinner.
At 300k, the pool gets real thin.
My guess is that they wouldn't be selling much more than 1000, max 1500.
Who can be sure? Too many "collectors" these days... Most people buy if they feel it is a "rare" good. Brains are switched off completely and finally theynowm a mass produced product
Re: 991 GT2 RS (2017) - Rumors, speculations and gossip
MKSGR:Whoopsy:pmarkow:i hear 5000 (!!!!) gt2rs for the EC market. so much about buying and flipping.
That would be impossible.
At 100k-200k, that's very possible.
At 200k, the pool of buyer will get thinner.
At 300k, the pool gets real thin.
My guess is that they wouldn't be selling much more than 1000, max 1500.
Who can be sure? Too many "collectors" these days... Most people buy if they feel it is a "rare" good. Brains are switched off completely and finally theynowm a mass produced product
well, i believe PAG planning is at most 5000 worldwide.
Re: 991 GT2 RS (2017) - Rumors, speculations and gossip
I haven't read the posts recently I this thread but I read somewhere that GT2RS will produced during 6 months.
Not sure if it is an educated guess or not.
FWIW:
AP told me today that the outside of the car is ready but that they have about 6 months of work left to do fine tuning stuff. If true I suppose that the Nürburgring time not will be announced soon.
Re: 991 GT2 RS (2017) - Rumors, speculations and gossip
Any details on the changes made to the standard Turbo S engine? Grant brought up the "integrated dry sump" oiling system, if that has been carried over this would seem to be the first GT car without a true dry sump (excluding GT4).
Jul 1, 2017 9:42:30 PM
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Re: 991 GT2 RS (2017) - Rumors, speculations and gossip
Interview with Andreas Preuninger about the Porsche 991 GT2 RS at Goodwood Festival of Speed...
Includes a discussion of topics including GT2 RS production volumes, gearbox choice for purist GT drivers, possibility of future hybrid technology, potential for a mid-engined car based on the RSR and -- at the end of the interview -- an introduction to the sound of the turbocharged flat-six engine at start-up! (turn up the volume)
Video link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yzWol5Vsm0
Thanks and credit to Andreas Preuninger and team! 
Jul 1, 2017 10:00:03 PM
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Re: 991 GT2 RS (2017) - Rumors, speculations and gossip
Whatever we say, this car is LIMITED, maybe not by a particular number but definitely by the time constraint.
It will stay in production much less then a year and they can do only so many of them, since a lot of work is not done on a typical assembly line.
Re: 991 GT2 RS (2017) - Rumors, speculations and gossip
Kobalt:I and Trakcar was standing just behind the GT2RS when they fired it up and it sounded really nice.
Later when it was going up the hill the sound was not so impressive.
Here is a video I found https://www.facebook.com/automotorundsport/videos/10155338808788405/
Re: 991 GT2 RS (2017) - Rumors, speculations and gossip
Kobalt:FWIW:
AP told me today that the outside of the car is ready but that they have about 6 months of work left to do fine tuning stuff. If true I suppose that the Nürburgring time not will be announced soon.
Interesting! They are going to set an amazing time (but in 6 months the weather won't be so good)...
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Re: 991 GT2 RS (2017) - Rumors, speculations and gossip
Production start Nov 2017, North America delivery starts in March 2018.
Rough eatimate says they make it until the factory holiday in August, so about a 9 month production run.
They make perhaps 4-5 of a day of it was like the 911R, so for the 38 weeks or so production run they should make just under 1000 cars.
Daily production is like 270 cars split between 911 and 718, say 170 911s. Maybe 150 regular cars and 20 GT cars split between GT3 and GT2RS, 15-5 split seems reasonable.
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Re: 991 GT2 RS (2017) - Rumors, speculations and gossip
The price clearly is a constraint all of it own. Consequently there is no need to offer the car as a limited edition and run the risk of less than anticipated demand killling the "hot car to have" psychology feeding this segment. I doubt the buyer of this car is cross shopping other marques, but rather views the car as a stand alone effort by Porsche to offer its version of the ultimate turbo 991. No one in this rarefied atmosphere is looking for a daily driver.
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Re: 991 GT2 RS (2017) - Rumors, speculations and gossip
absent:Whatever we say, this car is LIMITED, maybe not by a particular number but definitely by the time constraint.
It will stay in production much less then a year and they can do only so many of them, since a lot of work is not done on a typical assembly line.
The GT3RS was also "limited" by production time and they did more than 6000 cars...
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