Wall Street journal liked the 997TT but had the same issues
Here is a scan of their conclusions. Click on the attachment above . sorry for the poor quality but it is readable.
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ADias said:
To be fair, instead of quoting without full context, here is a link to the full article.
Subscribers only.
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Oxonian said:
My dealer was trying to persuade me to upgrade to a Turbo. Boy, I'm glad I didn't. Seems that the C2S is more exciting than the Turbo. Porsche seems to have miscalculated on this one.
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DJB said:
Follow your senses, Oxonian, without letting the dealer push you. For me, the turbo is great. I have only had mine (also Arctic Silver) only a few days, but it is just what I want....power, refinement, everyday driveability in all weather, not too showy, and fun. Just enjoy whatever you get and drive safely!
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Joost said:
LOL, it says that it is a negative point that you could mistake the 997 turbo for a standard Carrera... how dumb can one be?
1: The only ones making that mistake are people with no knowledge whatsoever of supercars... I don't value their opinions
2: I actually find it a pré that is not so flashy... in the end, YOU as an owner know what you drive and what it is capable off... if you drive a car to impress the neighbors... pitty you, you need counselling.
-Joost-
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Joost said:
LOL, it says that it is a negative point that you could mistake the 997 turbo for a standard Carrera... how dumb can one be?
1: The only ones making that mistake are people with no knowledge whatsoever of supercars... I don't value their opinions
2: I actually find it a pré that is not so flashy... in the end, YOU as an owner know what you drive and what it is capable off... if you drive a car to impress the neighbors... pitty you, you need counselling.
-Joost-
Joost, here in the US it is a valid criticism. Only knowledgeable car people can distinguish between Porsche's. The other day I witnessed a situation where a 997S was parked next to a 987 and the two owners were talking. A person walked up to them and commented about one as a convertible and the other a coupe. He then asked " what model year are they and which one is faster." I don't believe the 997S owner was very happy.
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Joost said:
LOL, it says that it is a negative point that you could mistake the 997 turbo for a standard Carrera... how dumb can one be?
-Joost-
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nberry said:
Crash that is nonsense.Even Porsche recognizes that humans want recognition hence the Turbo script on the back.
None of us want to pay $50,000 more for a car that the only distinguishing feature between it and similar car is one is faster.
Jul 22, 2006 4:23:22 PM
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Oxonian said:
My dealer was trying to persuade me to upgrade to a Turbo. Boy, I'm glad I didn't. Seems that the C2S is more exciting than the Turbo. Porsche seems to have miscalculated on this one.
I think it rather seems one guy opinion. I don't see how it is possible to make your very general statement, that more over refers to you, a generality.
Because if you find it less "exciting", I can tell you that for me it is rather the complete opposit. I first decided to get a 997 S X51 PCCB, however, at the time didnt't followed closely the news of incoming car. My salesguy tell me, at the time feb.2006, hey at this price you might want to consider the 997 TT because it is just around the corner. I did not take long to take my decision and went on the list of TT. All this to say I could have my 997s as early as May but I chose to wait until october, guess why - for the 997 TT of course.
Not to tell you that one is a supercar.
Jul 22, 2006 4:32:44 PM
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Joost said:
LOL, it says that it is a negative point that you could mistake the 997 turbo for a standard Carrera... how dumb can one be?
1: The only ones making that mistake are people with no knowledge whatsoever of supercars... I don't value their opinions
2: I actually find it a pré that is not so flashy... in the end, YOU as an owner know what you drive and what it is capable off... if you drive a car to impress the neighbors... pitty you, you need counselling.
-Joost-
Joost, here in the US it is a valid criticism. Only knowledgeable car people can distinguish between Porsche's. The other day I witnessed a situation where a 997S was parked next to a 987 and the two owners were talking. A person walked up to them and commented about one as a convertible and the other a coupe. He then asked " what model year are they and which one is faster." I don't believe the 997S owner was very happy.
BTW the 3.5 sec 0-60 for the 430 probably was a time from a Euro model with launch control. I very much doubt the US models would do that well without LC.
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nberry said:
Crash that is nonsense.Even Porsche recognizes that humans want recognition hence the Turbo script on the back.
None of us want to pay $50,000 more for a car that the only distinguishing feature between it and similar car is one is faster.
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Joost said:
LOL, it says that it is a negative point that you could mistake the 997 turbo for a standard Carrera... how dumb can one be?
1: The only ones making that mistake are people with no knowledge whatsoever of supercars... I don't value their opinions
2: I actually find it a pré that is not so flashy... in the end, YOU as an owner know what you drive and what it is capable off... if you drive a car to impress the neighbors... pitty you, you need counselling.
-Joost-
Joost, here in the US it is a valid criticism. Only knowledgeable car people can distinguish between Porsche's. The other day I witnessed a situation where a 997S was parked next to a 987 and the two owners were talking. A person walked up to them and commented about one as a convertible and the other a coupe. He then asked " what model year are they and which one is faster." I don't believe the 997S owner was very happy.
BTW the 3.5 sec 0-60 for the 430 probably was a time from a Euro model with launch control. I very much doubt the US models would do that well without LC.
Jul 22, 2006 7:32:04 PM
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Oxonian said:
My dealer was trying to persuade me to upgrade to a Turbo. Boy, I'm glad I didn't. Seems that the C2S is more exciting than the Turbo. Porsche seems to have miscalculated on this one.
I think it rather seems one guy opinion. I don't see how it is possible to make your very general statement, that more over refers to you, a generality.
Because if you find it less "exciting", I can tell you that for me it is rather the complete opposit. I first decided to get a 997 S X51 PCCB, however, at the time didnt't followed closely the news of incoming car. My salesguy tell me, at the time feb.2006, hey at this price you might want to consider the 997 TT because it is just around the corner. I did not take long to take my decision and went on the list of TT. All this to say I could have my 997s as early as May but I chose to wait until october, guess why - for the 997 TT of course.
Not to tell you that one is a supercar.
I believe what Oxonian meant was the driving dynamics of the RWD Carrera akin to the GT3 thus having more agility and "excitement" rather than having outright supercar horsepower.
An AWD car will not drive the same way as a RWD car.
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Joost said:
LOL, it says that it is a negative point that you could mistake the 997 turbo for a standard Carrera... how dumb can one be?
1: The only ones making that mistake are people with no knowledge whatsoever of supercars... I don't value their opinions
2: I actually find it a pré that is not so flashy... in the end, YOU as an owner know what you drive and what it is capable off... if you drive a car to impress the neighbors... pitty you, you need counselling.
-Joost-
Joost, here in the US it is a valid criticism. Only knowledgeable car people can distinguish between Porsche's. The other day I witnessed a situation where a 997S was parked next to a 987 and the two owners were talking. A person walked up to them and commented about one as a convertible and the other a coupe. He then asked " what model year are they and which one is faster." I don't believe the 997S owner was very happy.
BTW the 3.5 sec 0-60 for the 430 probably was a time from a Euro model with launch control. I very much doubt the US models would do that well without LC.
Nick,
Some people can't tell the difference between a $1.00 cup of coffee and a $4.00 STARBUCKS latte, but that shouldn't bother you.
Jul 22, 2006 9:06:42 PM
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Joost said:
LOL, it says that it is a negative point that you could mistake the 997 turbo for a standard Carrera... how dumb can one be?
1: The only ones making that mistake are people with no knowledge whatsoever of supercars... I don't value their opinions
2: I actually find it a pré that is not so flashy... in the end, YOU as an owner know what you drive and what it is capable off... if you drive a car to impress the neighbors... pitty you, you need counselling.
-Joost-
Joost, here in the US it is a valid criticism. Only knowledgeable car people can distinguish between Porsche's. The other day I witnessed a situation where a 997S was parked next to a 987 and the two owners were talking. A person walked up to them and commented about one as a convertible and the other a coupe. He then asked " what model year are they and which one is faster." I don't believe the 997S owner was very happy.
BTW the 3.5 sec 0-60 for the 430 probably was a time from a Euro model with launch control. I very much doubt the US models would do that well without LC.
Nick, I wouldn't be surprised if 9 out of 10 people wouldn't be able to tell if the Ferrari passing by them is an F430 or a 360. In my discussion with colleagues, I'm often surprised to find that many of them don't even know what the latest entry model Ferrari is. So who cares whether one can tell the difference between a 997 versus a 996. Do you really care if someone who you don't know can't make that distinction?
Jul 22, 2006 9:27:40 PM
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What does owning a Porsche say about an owner.
Jul 22, 2006 9:49:42 PM
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nberry said:
What does owning a Porsche say about an owner.
Hopefully nothing except that he is a sports car guy
Porsche owners have better means to express their personality
The guys needing an educated audience to distinguish Carreras from Boxsters (or 997 S from 997 Turbo) have a serious ego-problem.
I can't tell you how much fun I had today driving around in my poor man's Porsche meeting other P-drivers (incl. lots of vintage 911 which I really admire) - we had a lot of interesting talks and didn't need any audience at all
Having said that I like Ferraris a lot (talking as a car guy, not as someone who needs a car as a personality statement).
Jul 22, 2006 10:11:31 PM
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nberry said:
What does owning a Porsche say about an owner.
Hopefully nothing except that he is a sports car guy
Porsche owners have better means to express their personality
The guys needing an educated audience to distinguish Carreras from Boxsters (or 997 S from 997 Turbo) have a serious ego-problem.
I can't tell you how much fun I had today driving around in my poor man's Porsche meeting other P-drivers (incl. lots of vintage 911 which I really admire) - we had a lot of interesting talks and didn't need any audience at all
Having said that I like Ferraris a lot (talking as a car guy, not as someone who needs a car as a personality statement).
Jul 22, 2006 10:13:03 PM
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Joost said:
LOL, it says that it is a negative point that you could mistake the 997 turbo for a standard Carrera... how dumb can one be?
1: The only ones making that mistake are people with no knowledge whatsoever of supercars... I don't value their opinions
2: I actually find it a pré that is not so flashy... in the end, YOU as an owner know what you drive and what it is capable off... if you drive a car to impress the neighbors... pitty you, you need counselling.
-Joost-
Joost, here in the US it is a valid criticism. Only knowledgeable car people can distinguish between Porsche's. The other day I witnessed a situation where a 997S was parked next to a 987 and the two owners were talking. A person walked up to them and commented about one as a convertible and the other a coupe. He then asked " what model year are they and which one is faster." I don't believe the 997S owner was very happy.
BTW the 3.5 sec 0-60 for the 430 probably was a time from a Euro model with launch control. I very much doubt the US models would do that well without LC.