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Z06 creams all the other cars because it's mostly made out of plastic.That's it.

Uahahahahahahah

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AmirGT2 said:
AAh, come on. I'm probably one of the biggest Porsche and Ferrari fans in the world but please give credit where credit is due. The Z06 is one hell of a performance buy and the best bang for the buck. If either of those other cars put out the numbers that the Z06 did we'd all be saying that it's Porsche or Ferrari Engineering.

Kudos to Chevrolet for a job well done.

Amir

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AAh, come on. I'm probably one of the biggest Porsche and Ferrari fans in the world but please give credit where credit is due. The Z06 is one hell of a performance buy and the best bang for the buck. If either of those other cars put out the numbers that the Z06 did we'd all be saying that it's Porsche or Ferrari Engineering.

Kudos to Chevrolet for a job well done.

Amir

Amir I second your thoughts. It is my hope that European car manufacturers get a wake up call regarding pricing of their high Perf. sport cars and that includes Ferrari.

However as long as Porsche can make record profits doing what they are doing, why change? I can't blame them.

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Don't let your taste be tarnished by relativity, the F430 is a wonderful car by every strech of the imagination, but its greatness does not lie in its scarcity. That is falsely fabricated...

Find a new 430 at msrp anywhere in the US and I will buy it for you. And if you can't you owe me a dollar. See if its scarcity is "falsely fabricated"....... Take the bet?

Stradale, I don't think you quite understand my point. I'm talking about a sheer economic perspective in terms of a car market. Of course you can't find an F430 at MSRP in the US. You know why? There is aprox a 50% market share in the US for Ferrari's annual allotment of F430s and yet they choose to ship about 33% of their allotment. Why they do this? I do not know, I am only analyzing the facts presented via the company's sales. You can postulate on your theories left and right, but the numbers don't lie.

This results in excessive demand for a finite supply. The result? You can't find an F430 for MSRP to save your life. Great for the current owner (kudos to you for that, what a wonderful investment), but not so great for the perspective owner without connections, who either has to wait 2-3 years when the model becomes somewhat outdated (e.g. low mileage 360 Modenas now going around MSRP, while the F430, its successor has been out for 2+ years) or pay up the arse to find one.

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In terms of the car's innate value, I don't believe that the market of scarcity should impact one's perception of the object's seminal value.

I'm sure we all learned this theoretically in various ways via postmodernist culture (Pop Art's attack on the "immutable" nature of Abstract Expressionism, Simulacrum a la mass produced clothing; the distillation of idea into consumerism, even "remixed" music etc etc).

Granted, there must be financial consideration when deciding to buy a car, I'm talking about simply judging the car on its merits. I find the F430 to be, perhaps the finest car in the world in terms of aesthetics and performance. However, my judgement of it is not based upon its great resale value and how all of my neighbors will envy me because I'm the one who got one...

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the truth is that we expect to much of the TT. why TT must be better than the expensive ferrari and faster than the cheaper plastic vette?

porsche has the competitor to vette... the gt2. but all we know that against the gt2 , vette has no chance.

in my country we dont have roads to race 300km/h
the better we can do here is stand still to 125MPH and in this mode im sure TT has no competitor.

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AmirGT2 said:
AAh, come on. I'm probably one of the biggest Porsche and Ferrari fans in the world but please give credit where credit is due. The Z06 is one hell of a performance buy and the best bang for the buck. If either of those other cars put out the numbers that the Z06 did we'd all be saying that it's Porsche or Ferrari Engineering.

Kudos to Chevrolet for a job well done.

Amir

Amir I second your thoughts. It is my hope that European car manufacturers get a wake up call regarding pricing of their high Perf. sport cars and that includes Ferrari.

However as long as Porsche can make record profits doing what they are doing, why change? I can't blame them.

Gotta agree with you on that one. Lucky for you, the new Ferrari comes in 2008 and the Turbo will soon get the powerkit.

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AmirGT2 said:
AAh, come on. I'm probably one of the biggest Porsche and Ferrari fans in the world but please give credit where credit is due. The Z06 is one hell of a performance buy and the best bang for the buck. If either of those other cars put out the numbers that the Z06 did we'd all be saying that it's Porsche or Ferrari Engineering.

Kudos to Chevrolet for a job well done.

Amir

Amir I second your thoughts. It is my hope that European car manufacturers get a wake up call regarding pricing of their high Perf. sport cars and that includes Ferrari.

However as long as Porsche can make record profits doing what they are doing, why change? I can't blame them.

Gotta agree with you on that one. Lucky for you, the new Ferrari comes in 2008 and the Turbo will soon get the powerkit.

And by then the 2800Lb 650hp Vette will be oout. The race just never ends.

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AmirGT2 said:
AAh, come on. I'm probably one of the biggest Porsche and Ferrari fans in the world but please give credit where credit is due. The Z06 is one hell of a performance buy and the best bang for the buck. If either of those other cars put out the numbers that the Z06 did we'd all be saying that it's Porsche or Ferrari Engineering.

Kudos to Chevrolet for a job well done.

Amir

Amir I second your thoughts. It is my hope that European car manufacturers get a wake up call regarding pricing of their high Perf. sport cars and that includes Ferrari.

However as long as Porsche can make record profits doing what they are doing, why change? I can't blame them.

Gotta agree with you on that one. Lucky for you, the new Ferrari comes in 2008 and the Turbo will soon get the powerkit.

And by then the 2800Lb 650hp Vette will be oout. The race just never ends.

I would have serious concerns about safety in that car. It will most probably be totally stripped and not really suitable for the road, at least not for longer trips, like the 997TT is. Would make an interesting coffin, though .

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AmirGT2 said:
AAh, come on. I'm probably one of the biggest Porsche and Ferrari fans in the world but please give credit where credit is due. The Z06 is one hell of a performance buy and the best bang for the buck. If either of those other cars put out the numbers that the Z06 did we'd all be saying that it's Porsche or Ferrari Engineering.

Kudos to Chevrolet for a job well done.

Amir

Amir I second your thoughts. It is my hope that European car manufacturers get a wake up call regarding pricing of their high Perf. sport cars and that includes Ferrari.

However as long as Porsche can make record profits doing what they are doing, why change? I can't blame them.

Gotta agree with you on that one. Lucky for you, the new Ferrari comes in 2008 and the Turbo will soon get the powerkit.

And by then the 2800Lb 650hp Vette will be oout. The race just never ends.

I would have serious concerns about safety in that car. It will most probably be totally stripped and not really suitable for the road, at least not for longer trips, like the 997TT is. Would make an interesting coffin, though .

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AmirGT2 said:
AAh, come on. I'm probably one of the biggest Porsche and Ferrari fans in the world but please give credit where credit is due. The Z06 is one hell of a performance buy and the best bang for the buck. If either of those other cars put out the numbers that the Z06 did we'd all be saying that it's Porsche or Ferrari Engineering.

Kudos to Chevrolet for a job well done.

Amir

Amir I second your thoughts. It is my hope that European car manufacturers get a wake up call regarding pricing of their high Perf. sport cars and that includes Ferrari.

However as long as Porsche can make record profits doing what they are doing, why change? I can't blame them.

Gotta agree with you on that one. Lucky for you, the new Ferrari comes in 2008 and the Turbo will soon get the powerkit.

And by then the 2800Lb 650hp Vette will be oout. The race just never ends.

I would have serious concerns about safety in that car. It will most probably be totally stripped and not really suitable for the road, at least not for longer trips, like the 997TT is. Would make an interesting coffin, though .

If you call this a coffin, what would you call a CGT???

It would match and most likely exceed CGT's performance, be made from carbon fiber and not have any safetly issues associated with it, after all its made in america, stricter safety requirements are levied on the car as opposed to EU..making it if not better then an equal safety car to the 977 TT...

and did I mention it will be a lot cheaper than the TT, lets not even go to the GT2 or CGT prices..

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AmirGT2 said:
AAh, come on. I'm probably one of the biggest Porsche and Ferrari fans in the world but please give credit where credit is due. The Z06 is one hell of a performance buy and the best bang for the buck. If either of those other cars put out the numbers that the Z06 did we'd all be saying that it's Porsche or Ferrari Engineering.

Kudos to Chevrolet for a job well done.

Amir

Amir I second your thoughts. It is my hope that European car manufacturers get a wake up call regarding pricing of their high Perf. sport cars and that includes Ferrari.

However as long as Porsche can make record profits doing what they are doing, why change? I can't blame them.

Gotta agree with you on that one. Lucky for you, the new Ferrari comes in 2008 and the Turbo will soon get the powerkit.

And by then the 2800Lb 650hp Vette will be oout. The race just never ends.

I would have serious concerns about safety in that car. It will most probably be totally stripped and not really suitable for the road, at least not for longer trips, like the 997TT is. Would make an interesting coffin, though .

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AmirGT2 said:
AAh, come on. I'm probably one of the biggest Porsche and Ferrari fans in the world but please give credit where credit is due. The Z06 is one hell of a performance buy and the best bang for the buck. If either of those other cars put out the numbers that the Z06 did we'd all be saying that it's Porsche or Ferrari Engineering.

Kudos to Chevrolet for a job well done.

Amir

Amir I second your thoughts. It is my hope that European car manufacturers get a wake up call regarding pricing of their high Perf. sport cars and that includes Ferrari.

However as long as Porsche can make record profits doing what they are doing, why change? I can't blame them.

Gotta agree with you on that one. Lucky for you, the new Ferrari comes in 2008 and the Turbo will soon get the powerkit.

And by then the 2800Lb 650hp Vette will be oout. The race just never ends.

I would have serious concerns about safety in that car. It will most probably be totally stripped and not really suitable for the road, at least not for longer trips, like the 997TT is. Would make an interesting coffin, though .

Crash....ANYTIME ANYONE has something nice to say about the Z06, no matter what the subject matter of the post may be, you are always there to say something negative. You have serious safety concerns about the next high peerformance Vette? Are you an automotive engineer??? Do you ever have a clue as to what you are saying? Whether we like them or not, the Porsche Turbo has many wonderful qualities.
So does the Corvette. If you don't like the Vette...thats fine. But just once can you not bloviate your negativity....or are you just a total jerk?

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I raced against a bunch of vets in the SCCA Improved Touring Class in the mid 90's (I was driving a modified F348 challenge car). Very competitive, very fun and we had a blast! Car lovers should be car lovers and appreciate all rides and settle performance on the race track.

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i hope it is not a repost...

here is a test from a german magazin:

http://www.autozeitung.de/images/cars/1768/vt_sportw.pdf

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AmirGT2 said:
AAh, come on. I'm probably one of the biggest Porsche and Ferrari fans in the world but please give credit where credit is due. The Z06 is one hell of a performance buy and the best bang for the buck. If either of those other cars put out the numbers that the Z06 did we'd all be saying that it's Porsche or Ferrari Engineering.

Kudos to Chevrolet for a job well done.

Amir

Amir I second your thoughts. It is my hope that European car manufacturers get a wake up call regarding pricing of their high Perf. sport cars and that includes Ferrari.

However as long as Porsche can make record profits doing what they are doing, why change? I can't blame them.

Gotta agree with you on that one. Lucky for you, the new Ferrari comes in 2008 and the Turbo will soon get the powerkit.

And by then the 2800Lb 650hp Vette will be oout. The race just never ends.

I would have serious concerns about safety in that car. It will most probably be totally stripped and not really suitable for the road, at least not for longer trips, like the 997TT is. Would make an interesting coffin, though .

Crash....ANYTIME ANYONE has something nice to say about the Z06, no matter what the subject matter of the post may be, you are always there to say something negative. You have serious safety concerns about the next high peerformance Vette? Are you an automotive engineer??? Do you ever have a clue as to what you are saying? Whether we like them or not, the Porsche Turbo has many wonderful qualities.
So does the Corvette. If you don't like the Vette...thats fine. But just once can you not bloviate your negativity....or are you just a total jerk?

Ronnie, you're the one bloviating your "the Corvette is superior to all" attitude. Yes, I would be concerned about the safety of the car. 700 horsepower in a front-engined, RWD car, built out of plastic, just seems like a fatal accident, waiting to happen, at least for street use. Now, granted, it will blow the CGT away, at least in the straight line, as C4S already mentioned and will be an incredible performance bargain, but I wouldn't stake my life on that car holding up when I crash. These are legitimate concerns and if you'd read my post you'd know that I welcome stiff competition for european brands (makes them work harder and introduce better models). It just seems to me that it is a bad idea for a street car. I might think differently once it's out and ptoven to handle safely and withstand all crash forces, but until then, I'm going to play Devil's advocate.

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i hope it is not a repost...

here is a test from a german magazin:

http://www.autozeitung.de/images/cars/1768/vt_sportw.pdf

I would like to see it translated..

but 0-100 in 4.4 for the Z06, those guys didnt know how to drive period..but other car times seem believable..

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i hope it is not a repost...

here is a test from a german magazin:

http://www.autozeitung.de/images/cars/1768/vt_sportw.pdf

I would like to see it translated..

but 0-100 in 4.4 for the Z06, those guys didnt know how to drive period..but other car times seem believable..

The guy just didn't know how to launch a rear wheel drive torque monster. It's definately an aquired technique. When you look at 0-60,0-100, 0-150 the Z06 appears slower than the rest. That's becaue the guy couldn't launch it. But when you look at 50-100 and 80-120 the Z06 is all of a sudden equal or better. This shows the guy had a hard time launching it which is why he got a low 4.4 0-60 and a slow 8.6 0-100. In most other tests these are 3.5 and 7.9. The difference is all in the launch. All three other cars are extremely easy to launch. Especially the 430 with launch control. I've driven a Stradalewith it and it's a no brainer.
But in all reality the TT and the Z06 should have easily outrun both the Gallardo and the 430. I've driven both of those and they are not even close to the Z06. It's alot faster. It's a good bit faster than the Murcielago as well. I haven't driven the TT but from all I have seen it should run away from the others as well.

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I raced against a bunch of vets in the SCCA Improved Touring Class in the mid 90's (I was driving a modified F348 challenge car). Very competitive, very fun and we had a blast! Car lovers should be car lovers and appreciate all rides and settle performance on the race track.

I'm with you. How can you not love the Z06,TT and F430. I would kill to drive a different one everyday. I sold my Ferrari and my M3 to narrow it down to one car. If I could afford to own a TT, Z06 and 430 at the same time I would.