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27.03.2017 16:05:44

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Kanada; Beiträge: 16151, Gallery; Registriert: 19.09.2006; Antwort auf: The farmer

Re: OFFICIAL: New Panamera (2016)

The farmer:
Mine is built week 14 but we will see about the review. After two Turbo S the coming car is a.....diesel!!! So in order not to be totally trashed on this forum I might scip the review

Oh come on, that 4.0L V8 TT diesel is still a beast of an engine!

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27.03.2017 16:15:44

crayphile: Rennteam Pro; Loc: England , Vereinigtes Königreich; Beiträge: 2861, Gallery; Registriert: 16.06.2004; Antwort auf: The farmer

Re: OFFICIAL: New Panamera (2016)

The farmer:
Mine is built week 14 but we will see about the review. After two Turbo S the coming car is a.....diesel!!! So in order not to be totally trashed on this forum I might scip the review

Thank you Smiley Smiley

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28.03.2017 07:58:39

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Deutschland; Beiträge: 59607, Gallery; Registriert: 26.03.2002; Antwort auf: SciFrog

Re: OFFICIAL: New Panamera (2016)

SciFrog:
The Panamera is not popular period. It is expensive and albeit more sporty than the completion, not enough to be in a whole other class, and practicality is limited...

I see the one from my Porsche dealership almost every day when I drive home from my business. The chalk colored one. Looks amazing in my opinion, the rear looks very fresh, the front is not that modern but still acceptable. Still, it looks a bit weird for such a large sedan, it attracts a lot of attention (probably what owners want).

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28.03.2017 11:39:33

BjoernB: Rennteam Master; Loc: Switzerland , Schweiz; Beiträge: 4100, Gallery; Registriert: 19.10.2004; Antwort auf: RC

Re: OFFICIAL: New Panamera (2016)

I love it since a 911 L in my eyes - but find it to expensive angry

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28.03.2017 11:42:25

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Deutschland; Beiträge: 59607, Gallery; Registriert: 26.03.2002; Antwort auf: BjoernB

Re: OFFICIAL: New Panamera (2016)

BjoernB:
I love it since a 911 L in my eyes - but find it to expensive

That too... Smiley

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28.03.2017 17:17:53

The farmer: Senior; Loc: Stockholm , Schweden; Beiträge: 687, Gallery; Registriert: 25.04.2016; Antwort auf: RC

Re: OFFICIAL: New Panamera (2016)

Yep, very..... blush

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29.03.2017 01:22:19

Wonderbar: Rennteam Pro; Loc: usa , Frankreich; Beiträge: 2735, Gallery; Registriert: 31.10.2005; Antwort auf: The farmer

Re: OFFICIAL: New Panamera (2016)

"Expensive" depends on your view and your car needs. One could easily argue that a 911 is too expensive for what use you get out of it. In the U.S., A new Panamera 4S is $9000 cheaper than a 9114S, and you get much more room, practicality, luxury, technology, and almost the same performance. So which one is more "expensive"?

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29.03.2017 03:03:13

SciFrog: Rennteam VIP; Loc: USA , Vereinigte Staaten von Amerika; Beiträge: 9870, Gallery; Registriert: 15.11.2005; Antwort auf: Wonderbar

Re: OFFICIAL: New Panamera (2016)

The 911 4S should be compared to the Panamera turbo which is way more expensive...

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29.03.2017 03:07:41

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Kanada; Beiträge: 16151, Gallery; Registriert: 19.09.2006; Antwort auf: SciFrog

Re: OFFICIAL: New Panamera (2016)

Isn't a 911 Turbo be the one that compares to the Panamera Turbo?

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29.03.2017 03:10:22

SciFrog: Rennteam VIP; Loc: USA , Vereinigte Staaten von Amerika; Beiträge: 9870, Gallery; Registriert: 15.11.2005; Antwort auf: Whoopsy

Re: OFFICIAL: New Panamera (2016)

Not on the performance level...

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29.03.2017 05:20:10

911tts: Co-Pilot; Loc: Europe , Deutschland; Beiträge: 189, Gallery; Registriert: 26.12.2016; Antwort auf: SciFrog

Re: OFFICIAL: New Panamera (2016)

Waiting for the delivery of my Panamera 4S next week smiley

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29.03.2017 09:08:13

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Deutschland; Beiträge: 59607, Gallery; Registriert: 26.03.2002; Antwort auf: Wonderbar

Re: OFFICIAL: New Panamera (2016)

Wonderbar:
"Expensive" depends on your view and your car needs. One could easily argue that a 911 is too expensive for what use you get out of it. In the U.S., A new Panamera 4S is $9000 cheaper than a 9114S, and you get much more room, practicality, luxury, technology, and almost the same performance. So which one is more "expensive"?

Audi "threw out" their last S8 (around 1000 cars) for 699 EUR a month, 24 months, 15k km per year, no down payment and VAT included.

The old S8 is not much worse than the current Panamera Turbo...

I know that this comparison may stink but I think that the Panamera got too expensive over time and I'm not sure customers are willing to pay these prices. Time will tell, especially when the new Cayenne shows up.

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29.03.2017 19:28:34

Targa Tim: Expert; Loc: Vancouver, BC, Canada , Kanada; Beiträge: 1475, Gallery; Registriert: 03.03.2005; Antwort auf: RC

Re: OFFICIAL: New Panamera (2016)

if Panamera is expensive, then how about the Ferrari FF or whatever it is called now?

Porsche is and will always be more expensive than the equivalent Audi, BMW and Mercedes - as Porsche, there is no substitute. I really don't see the point of its price argument at all. yes

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30.03.2017 10:08:21

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Deutschland; Beiträge: 59607, Gallery; Registriert: 26.03.2002; Antwort auf: Targa Tim

Re: OFFICIAL: New Panamera (2016)

Targa Tim:
if Panamera is expensive, then how about the Ferrari FF or whatever it is called now?

Porsche is and will always be more expensive than the equivalent Audi, BMW and Mercedes - as Porsche, there is no substitute. I really don't see the point of its price argument at all.

A Ferrari is special... Smiley Smiley

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30.03.2017 14:22:56

SciFrog: Rennteam VIP; Loc: USA , Vereinigte Staaten von Amerika; Beiträge: 9870, Gallery; Registriert: 15.11.2005; Antwort auf: RC

Re: OFFICIAL: New Panamera (2016)

Have you driven a V12 Ferrari? The old gen Panamera turbo felt like a S class compared to it. Bland, disconnected and muted sound.

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30.03.2017 15:07:00

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Deutschland; Beiträge: 59607, Gallery; Registriert: 26.03.2002; Antwort auf: SciFrog

Re: OFFICIAL: New Panamera (2016)

SciFrog:
Have you driven a V12 Ferrari? The old gen Panamera turbo felt like a S class compared to it. Bland, disconnected and muted sound.

F12...almost got myself one (almost bought one, customer didn't pick it up, dealer wanted to get rid of it, don't remember the price anymore but it was somewhere around 230 or 240k for a quite well optioned car) but wife was against it. Very nice sound, very sporty ride but I cannot say that my Panamera Turbo S felt much less sporty. It definitely felt much heavier though and yes, the exhaust sound was OK but nothing to write home about (Panamera).

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30.03.2017 15:54:54

Targa Tim: Expert; Loc: Vancouver, BC, Canada , Kanada; Beiträge: 1475, Gallery; Registriert: 03.03.2005; Antwort auf: RC

Re: OFFICIAL: New Panamera (2016)

No, I have not driven a Ferrari V12 yet as I do not plan to buy one.

Yes, a Ferrari is special, but is a FF worth twice of a Panamera turbo is very subjective, definitely not to me.

Is a Panamera turbo or 4S worth 30 to 50% more of an equivalent Audi, BMW or Mercedes? definitely Yes for me.

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30.03.2017 16:20:03

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Deutschland; Beiträge: 59607, Gallery; Registriert: 26.03.2002; Antwort auf: Targa Tim

Re: OFFICIAL: New Panamera (2016)

Targa Tim:
No, I have not driven a Ferrari V12 yet as I do not plan to buy one.

Yes, a Ferrari is special, but is a FF worth twice of a Panamera turbo is very subjective, definitely not to me.

Is a Panamera turbo or 4S worth 30 to 50% more of an equivalent Audi, BMW or Mercedes? definitely Yes for me.

From a subjective point of view. my R8 V10 Plus is worth around 40% more than a 911 Turbo S. I'm not kidding. Emotionally, there is no comparison. Ferrari? Well, same thing...I guess. The engine/exhaust sound is half of the fun or at least 40%. Smiley

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30.03.2017 17:06:01

SciFrog: Rennteam VIP; Loc: USA , Vereinigte Staaten von Amerika; Beiträge: 9870, Gallery; Registriert: 15.11.2005; Antwort auf: RC

Re: OFFICIAL: New Panamera (2016)

It is all very subjective... No none "needs" luxury "sport" cars or SUV...

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31.03.2017 09:08:57

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Deutschland; Beiträge: 59607, Gallery; Registriert: 26.03.2002; Antwort auf: SciFrog

Re: OFFICIAL: New Panamera (2016)

SciFrog:
It is all very subjective... No none "needs" luxury "sport" cars or SUV...

Smiley They are fun though...our "manly" toys. Smiley

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31.03.2017 21:04:10

lukestern: Expert; Loc: Somewhere , Vereinigtes Königreich; Beiträge: 1377, Gallery; Registriert: 15.03.2005; Antwort auf: RC

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Panamera GT3 prototype? smiley

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31.03.2017 23:32:55

CGX car nut: Rennteam Master; Loc: NWI , Vereinigte Staaten von Amerika; Beiträge: 5196, Gallery; Registriert: 17.08.2011; Antwort auf: lukestern

Re: OFFICIAL: New Panamera (2016)

lukestern:
Panamera GT3 prototype?

That car is allegedly an early chassis prototype for the next Bentley Flying Spur.

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01.04.2017 11:53:30

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Deutschland; Beiträge: 59607, Gallery; Registriert: 26.03.2002; Antwort auf: CGX car nut

Re: OFFICIAL: New Panamera (2016)

Possible...since the Panamera platform is used for Bentley as well. kiss

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05.04.2017 16:06:36

The farmer: Senior; Loc: Stockholm , Schweden; Beiträge: 687, Gallery; Registriert: 25.04.2016; Antwort auf: RC

Re: OFFICIAL: New Panamera (2016)

And, once again.... From a planed delivery in December my car was rescheduled to be built in week 14 (this week) due to software problems (that's what I was told), but today, when I visited my dealer he looked in his computer and saw that the built was moved to week 18! angel mail

What the hell am I supposed to do with a diesel Panamera in the middle of the summer??? Enyone interested? Fully equiped and can be yours for only €200k.... smiley

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05.04.2017 16:21:01

The farmer: Senior; Loc: Stockholm , Schweden; Beiträge: 687, Gallery; Registriert: 25.04.2016; Antwort auf: The farmer

Re: OFFICIAL: New Panamera (2016)

The farmer:
And, once again.... From a planed delivery in December my car was rescheduled to be built in week 14 (this week) due to software problems (that's what I was told), but today, when I visited my dealer he looked in his computer and saw that the built was moved to week 18!

What the hell am I supposed to do with a diesel Panamera in the middle of the summer??? Enyone interested? Fully equiped and can be yours for only €200k....

Anyone..... Sorry Smiley

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05.04.2017 18:17:17

911tts: Co-Pilot; Loc: Europe , Deutschland; Beiträge: 189, Gallery; Registriert: 26.12.2016; Antwort auf: The farmer

Re: OFFICIAL: New Panamera (2016)

No problem here with Panamera 4S, ordered in December, delivery next week yes

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05.04.2017 18:41:10

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Kanada; Beiträge: 16151, Gallery; Registriert: 19.09.2006; Antwort auf: The farmer

Re: OFFICIAL: New Panamera (2016)

The farmer:
And, once again.... From a planed delivery in December my car was rescheduled to be built in week 14 (this week) due to software problems (that's what I was told), but today, when I visited my dealer he looked in his computer and saw that the built was moved to week 18!

What the hell am I supposed to do with a diesel Panamera in the middle of the summer??? Enyone interested? Fully equiped and can be yours for only €200k....

Cause they need to delete the cheating diesel software Smiley

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05.04.2017 19:59:47

The farmer: Senior; Loc: Stockholm , Schweden; Beiträge: 687, Gallery; Registriert: 25.04.2016; Antwort auf: Whoopsy

Re: OFFICIAL: New Panamera (2016)

Whoopsy:
The farmer:
And, once again.... From a planed delivery in December my car was rescheduled to be built in week 14 (this week) due to software problems (that's what I was told), but today, when I visited my dealer he looked in his computer and saw that the built was moved to week 18!

What the hell am I supposed to do with a diesel Panamera in the middle of the summer??? Enyone interested? Fully equiped and can be yours for only €200k....

Cause they need to delete the cheating diesel software

Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley

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05.04.2017 20:19:06

JR-550: Pilot; Loc: Belgium , Belgien; Beiträge: 354, Gallery; Registriert: 10.05.2005; Antwort auf: The farmer

Re: OFFICIAL: New Panamera (2016)

Drove an Audi A8 diesel yesterday same engine drives like a charm these cars are on stock perhaps an alternative? laugh

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05.04.2017 21:37:33

The farmer: Senior; Loc: Stockholm , Schweden; Beiträge: 687, Gallery; Registriert: 25.04.2016; Antwort auf: JR-550

Re: OFFICIAL: New Panamera (2016)

JR-550:
Drove an Audi A8 diesel yesterday same engine drives like a charm these cars are on stock perhaps an alternative?

Thanks, but no Audi for me. I bought a used A6 for my daughter, but all R8 discussions on this forum has convinced me that I am too much a man for an Audi. Let the 18 year old girls and some German men without chest hair stick to Audi.... Smiley Smiley And as a Porsche freak, I'm used to waiting.... For the next last,next faster,"ordinary" diesel or whatever.. Smiley

@JR-550: Thanks for your creative thinking and advice, my post above should not be interpreted as if I was ungreatfull for your tip. If you read this forum, you surely understand.... Smiley I'll be in Belgium in October in order to see if the new engine in my GT3 can beat the old one on Spa, so if you live nearby, please come and say hi Smiley

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