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    May 23, 2006 8:17:09 PM

    Martin J.S.
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    Going to order the 295 hp Boxster S (2007 model)

    After thinking about this for quite some time, I decided to trade my current 987 Boxster (non-S) for a 07 Boxster S with the 3.4 engine.

    The difference between the current non-S and S wasn't (slightly) enough for me to go for the S in the first place, but a power difference of 55 hp is a good reason to upgrade.

    I will also order the PSE exhaust. I will NOT order the automatic climate control again, since I think that the money for that is better spent on good food and/or wine.

    I will keep that car simple: Black (non-met), black leather seats, PSE exhaust, Xenons, heated seats and sports steering wheel (although I may just switch my old sports steering wheel from my current 987 into the 07 987S). That's it. Maybe Xenons will become standard on the new S anyway, but knowing Porsche, I guess they won't.

    Oh... and to disappoint all you hardcore roadster freaks: I will most likely go for the tiptronic. Is there any chance that it will be as good as it is on the 997 TT (where the tip is faster than the manual) or will they stick to the standard tip from the current 987?

    Also, will the 07 CDR 24 be able to play MP3 CDs?

    I guess nobody can help me with my questions yet, but I thought I'd give it a try.

    May 23, 2006 8:33:27 PM

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    Re: Going to order the 295 hp Boxster S (2007 model)

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    After thinking about this for quite some time, I decided to trade my current 987 Boxster (non-S) for a 07 Boxster S with the 3.4 engine.





    Bit premature, aren't we? It's only rumour that it's going to happen at all If the rumours prove true, and the price hike is sensible, I might join the queue myself. But not at Cayman S money.

    May 23, 2006 8:58:02 PM

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    Re: Going to order the 295 hp Boxster S (2007 model)

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    ... a power difference of 55 hp is a good reason to upgrade.





    What makes you think your going to get the 295 bhp version and not a detuned one?

    Or if the exact some HP, a $5K jump in price?

    May 23, 2006 9:33:08 PM

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    Re: Going to order the 295 hp Boxster S (2007 model)

    Sorry to be the beare of bad news, but the tiptronic on the Turbo is only so good because of the way the Turbo's, awd, and pre-boost are all networked. RC can give a much better explanation than this but I would highly recomend the 6 speed. I have driven both six speed and tiptronic boxters and there is no comparison. The Tip is slugish, no fun. In a roadsteryou must have the manual so you can let it scream!

    May 23, 2006 10:09:35 PM

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    Re: Going to order the 295 hp Boxster S (2007 model)

    According to RC, the Tip is ok provided you have Sport Chrono and always use the Sport mapping. Do not get the Tip without it.
    Still, as trip mentioned, it's definitely more primitive than the Tip in the 997 Turbo. Don't expect miracles.

    May 23, 2006 11:12:02 PM

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    Re: Going to order the 295 hp Boxster S (2007 model)

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    Quote:
    Martin J.S. said:
    After thinking about this for quite some time, I decided to trade my current 987 Boxster (non-S) for a 07 Boxster S with the 3.4 engine.





    Bit premature, aren't we? It's only rumour that it's going to happen at all If the rumours prove true, and the price hike is sensible, I might join the queue myself. But not at Cayman S money.



    Nope... many people got confirmations from their local Porsche dealers. However... you're right. There hasn't been an official announcement from PAG yet.

    And ... how the f*** can you call me "premature"? Isn't it obvious that I would only place my order once the price has been set? However I'm sure that the price won't go up to the Cayman level, since the gap is simply too big.

    May 24, 2006 12:02:50 AM

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    Re: Going to order the 295 hp Boxster S (2007 model)

    You'll lose a little bit of horsepower to the tiptronic though. I would speculate that going from a manual 2005 base Boxster to the theoretical 295 HP 2007 with a tiptronic will feel similar to going from a manual base to a manual S-model of the current breed.

    Is that really worth it? I still can't see why people hate 5-speeds so much and why they'd be willing to sacrifice power and control for the tip.

    May 24, 2006 12:48:59 AM

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    Re: Going to order the 295 hp Boxster S (2007 model)

    You said:
    "The difference between the current non-S and S wasn't (slightly) enough for me to go for the S in the first place, but a power difference of 55 hp is a good reason to upgrade."

    I don't get it. So you you compared the 987 to the 987S with 280HP and said there wasn't much difference. That's a difference of 40HP. Now you say there's a signficant difference between the 987 and the rumored '07 987S which has a difference of 55HP. Does 15HP really make it that different?

    May 24, 2006 2:05:13 AM

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    Re: Going to order the 295 hp Boxster S (2007 model)

    Well I would say the tip would certainly rob the difference between 280 vs 295hp, possibly even slower than the 3.2 manual.....

    May 24, 2006 6:48:01 AM

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    Re: Going to order the 295 hp Boxster S (2007 model)

    the 295hp version is Official!!!!! it's not a rumor!!!

    Martin, get flat black,PSE,thicker steering wheel,and parking aid.

    May 24, 2006 7:04:11 AM

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    Re: Going to order the 295 hp Boxster S (2007 model)

    It would be tempting to turn mine in for an upgrade, too.
    Even more tempted if I wasn't so very happy with the spec choices I made the first time. I dread to think of the depreciation hit I'd take in swapping though.
    There's no harm in putting down a refundable deposit to keep an early spot open though - go for it!

    May 24, 2006 7:07:05 AM

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    Re: Going to order the 295 hp Boxster S (2007 model)

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    And ... how the f*** can you call me "premature"? Isn't it obvious that I would only place my order once the price has been set? However I'm sure that the price won't go up to the Cayman level, since the gap is simply too big.





    Ok Ok, keep cool! Premature because we don't know for sure whether there even will be a Boxster S 3.4, much less if it will have the 295bhp vario-cam plus engine. Price, at the moment is a secondary issue.

    FYI I wanted the Boxster S 987 and even at the time it was more than speculation, with spy photographs in all the main car magazines, my dealer wouldn't even take an order until the car officialy existed. I was only allowed to write a letter of intent and they wouldn't accept a refundable deposit.

    May 24, 2006 7:19:30 AM

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    Re: Going to order the 295 hp Boxster S (2007 model)

    And do you think the difference between the 3.2 and the 3.4 on the Boxster will really be noticeable ?

    May 24, 2006 7:29:01 AM

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    Re: Going to order the 295 hp Boxster S (2007 model)

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    And do you think the difference between the 3.2 and the 3.4 on the Boxster will really be noticeable ?



    If it gets the 3.4 variocam plus engine then yes, the freer revving engine is a significant improvement IMO. It's more than just bhp. If you haven't test driven a Cayman S then I recommend you do.

    May 24, 2006 10:12:48 AM

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    Re: Going to order the 295 hp Boxster S (2007 model)

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    And do you think the difference between the 3.2 and the 3.4 on the Boxster will really be noticeable ?



    If you want to get the power to weight ratio of a 295bhp Boxster S back to the ratio for the current car at 280bhp, you would have to add about 70kg (11 stone). Now every car I have ever driven (from 30bhp to to 380bhp) feels slower with a passenger, often significantly. So I would say 15bhp will be noticeable.

    Funnily enough, I had this conversation with a Porsche Driving Consultant at the weekend and he said if you are "sensitive" you should be able to notice an increase of 5bhp easily. Therefore, us mortals ought to be able to tell 15bhp....

    May 24, 2006 12:07:48 PM

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    Re: Going to order the 295 hp Boxster S (2007 model)

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    Martin J.S. said:
    After thinking about this for quite some time, I decided to trade my current 987 Boxster (non-S) for a 07 Boxster S with the 3.4 engine.





    Bit premature, aren't we? It's only rumour that it's going to happen at all If the rumours prove true, and the price hike is sensible, I might join the queue myself. But not at Cayman S money.



    It's official, the Box S gets the 3.4 - 295 HP engine at a 1.5 % (approx.) price raise. I was sure they were going to do it, for Porsche it's a lot easier (read MORE MONEY $$$$$) with only two engines AND they don't care for current owners who will take a depreciation HIT.

    Maybe you're right to change Dreamcar, because it's a fact that the 3.4 will be the better engine BUT IMHO it isn't worth THE BIG depreciation HIT that you WILL take in changing.
    That engine should have been in the Box S to start with, but we all know the "Very Nice PR Story" of their "Totally New" Croc Product, don't we !!
    With time their will be new engines and MORE HP AND TORQUE..., it will be VERY EXPENSIVE to keep up !!
    So WHY not wait a while and give your car A POWERBOOST at ONE COST ONLY to be IN FRONT of all the changes FOR YEARS to come. That will NOT be cheap but it will SURELY cost LESS than follow the Porsche PR S**T !!
    Only my opinion of course.

    May 24, 2006 12:32:18 PM

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    Re: Going to order the 295 hp Boxster S (2007 model)

    as I wrote......295hp and 1.5% price increase

    May 24, 2006 12:49:11 PM

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    Re: Going to order the 295 hp Boxster S (2007 model)

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    If it gets the 3.4 variocam plus engine then yes, the freer revving engine is a significant improvement IMO. It's more than just bhp.


    Can you give me more detail ?

    May 24, 2006 5:10:41 PM

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    Re: Going to order the 295 hp Boxster S (2007 model)

    I'm going to give a reply on my own writing,

    I REALLY knew that Porsche was going to do this BUT IMO they shouldn't have done it THIS EARLY
    It is quite normal to move up in engine output (etc.) but NOT after ONLY 1 1/2 year of production, this is : MY 05 was only approx a half year of production because they introduced the 987 in november 2004 and the first "real" production cars were delivered in december/january 2005 !!
    "Normally" they give an upgrade after approx 3 years, so IMHO Porsche should have waited for MY 08 AT LEAST, and that TO SHOW some RESPECT to current owners, but that's all in MY mind of course !!
    These days it's ALL about PROFITS and MAKING MONEY and NOTHING ELSE MATTERS (good song BTW) !!
    WHY don't they give a power upgrade for the 997 (it was introduced BEFORE the 987), MAYBE Porsche has more respect for 911 owners and not for us poor Boxster discipels ??
    On the other hand, they charge 12500 Euro for a 26 HP Powerkit (PSE included of course ), power that should have been there to start with, SO they are sucking them dry TOO
    ONLY my own opinion of course, but YES I'm a little frustrated, but NOTHING we can do about it, OH WELL it will pass when I drive my Boxey, HeHeHe...

    May 24, 2006 6:03:13 PM

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    Re: Going to order the 295 hp Boxster S (2007 model)

    Freak 2: as someone who picked up his new Boxster S just a couple of weeks ago I completely share your sentiments
    I thought Porsche would be more consistent with their policy of upgrades and facelifts, but obviously there is no such thing like consistency in this hectic world (we all should have been warned by the strange Cayman-pricing)
    The truth is that Porsche (like many other corporations) only takes care for future customers and not for those who have filled Porsche's cashbox already
    For me they might introduce as many upgrades/facelifts as they want until the end of the 987 lifecycle - I won't replace my car until the 988 will be introduced (2010/2011 ?) with a significant improvement in the engine department, which will only happen if the 998 will see such an improvement also.

    May 24, 2006 7:33:09 PM

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    Re: Going to order the 295 hp Boxster S (2007 model)

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    Freak 2: as someone who picked up his new Boxster S just a couple of weeks ago I completely share your sentiments
    I thought Porsche would be more consistent with their policy of upgrades and facelifts, but obviously there is no such thing like consistency in this hectic world (we all should have been warned by the strange Cayman-pricing)
    The truth is that Porsche (like many other corporations) only takes care for future customers and not for those who have filled Porsche's cashbox already
    For me they might introduce as many upgrades/facelifts as they want until the end of the 987 lifecycle - I won't replace my car until the 988 will be introduced (2010/2011 ?) with a significant improvement in the engine department, which will only happen if the 998 will see such an improvement also.



    THANKS PJ for your understanding
    For you it's even worse, to hear such news ONLY a few weeks after delivery !!

    Neither will I change my Boxey before the 988 (2010/2011), AND then only if it is a significant improvement in both Style and Performance ( )

    May 26, 2006 9:36:55 AM

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    Re: Going to order the 295 hp Boxster S (2007 model)

    Fellow 987 owners, please don't worry about 15hp. It won't make much difference. Maybe the variocamplus would make the upper rpm range a little more responsive, but it's not a night and day difference.

    Even though I have an 05, I am very happy to see Porsche upping the power in the 987. At the current rate of 10hp/year (for the S, anyway), the car will be where I want it about the time I am ready to replace it.

    If only the drag-ass 911 could raise the performance cieling a little for the stepchild Boxster...

    mcdelaug

    May 26, 2006 3:55:20 PM

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    Re: Going to order the 295 hp Boxster S (2007 model)

    Guys,?forgive me for missing out the "official" announcements for the 295 BHP 987 for MY 07 - but I can't find any official quotes from Porsche in this post so far....someone mind showing us the "official" announcement!

    May 26, 2006 3:57:37 PM

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    Re: Going to order the 295 hp Boxster S (2007 model)

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    Guys,?forgive me for missing out the "official" announcements for the 295 BHP 987 for MY 07 - but I can't find any official quotes from Porsche in this post so far....someone mind showing us the "official" announcement!



    That's because there haven't been any official announcements yet.

    May 26, 2006 4:28:27 PM

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    Re: Going to order the 295 hp Boxster S (2007 model)

    Oh - I was going to order one tomorrow - what a shame.....

    May 26, 2006 4:32:52 PM

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    Re: Going to order the 295 hp Boxster S (2007 model)

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    Oh - I was going to order one tomorrow - what a shame.....

    Ask your local Porsche dealer...

    May 28, 2006 3:46:30 PM

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    Re: Going to order the 295 hp Boxster S (2007 model)

    Just make sure he gives you the same price as the current 280-S (which I'm sure he will aptly obey) then it won't make any difference for you Porky... hee hee.

    btw my brakes are fading, might get them looked at soon...

    May 28, 2006 4:18:44 PM

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    Re: Going to order the 295 hp Boxster S (2007 model)

    UK prices are rising 1.5% on the 2.7 and 2% on the S , effective next month i think.

    May 29, 2006 6:43:56 PM

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    Re: Going to order the 295 hp Boxster S (2007 model)

    Okay, who has actually seen an official specification which confirms the engine upgrade? My dealer got the information for model year 2007 and there is nothing about a 295hp engine for the Boxster S.

    May 29, 2006 7:05:02 PM

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    Re: Going to order the 295 hp Boxster S (2007 model)

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    Okay, who has actually seen an official specification which confirms the engine upgrade? My dealer got the information for model year 2007 and there is nothing about a 295hp engine for the Boxster S.



    That's true. I heard the Boxster S will get the 3.4 ltr engine, but only with 5 hp more than now. Trust me my contact is trustable
     
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