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May 23, 2006 12:12:37 PM
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Super Darius
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May 23, 2006 12:19:53 PM
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Re: 997 Turbo first test in AMS 13/2006
Dario, car is awsome but, it is not faster then Z06 at high speed(0-200km/h)... They tested both versions manual and TIP, as far as I know manual will be in next AMS. TIP version? Hmm, let's say that difference is extremly small...
One other hint-Sport Auto will have manual with LSD,PCCB and Michelin Cup's for Supertest(June or August issue)...
One other hint-Sport Auto will have manual with LSD,PCCB and Michelin Cup's for Supertest(June or August issue)...
Re: 997 Turbo first test in AMS 13/2006
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Well, you are almost spot-on! But, since I allready know something I will say only this-not as good as some people expect...
Well, it is not the Tip with SC.
Let me guess: 0-100 kph in 4.0 seconds and 0-200 kph in 13.1 seconds?
BTW: I don't know a single car magazine which has tested a 997 Turbo with Tiptronic and Sport Chrono. There isn't much difference regarding "drive feel" but regarding numbers, the difference is bigger.
Regarding the Sport Auto review: well, I expect something around 7:45 with Cup tires and 7:50 or so with street tires, both driven by Horst v. Saurma.
Of course here's the big question again: what is faster, manual with LSD and SC or Tiptronic with SC???
Can't wait to do a back-to-back comparison this summer.
Of course including the Z06.
May 23, 2006 12:47:53 PM
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Re: 997 Turbo first test in AMS 13/2006
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Dario, car is awsome but, it is not faster then Z06 at high speed(0-200km/h)... They tested both versions manual and TIP, as far as I know manual will be in next AMS. TIP version? Hmm, let's say that difference is extremly small...
One other hint-Sport Auto will have manual with LSD,PCCB and Michelin Cup's for Supertest(June or August issue)...
Do you know if is equipped with Sport Chrono or not?
May 23, 2006 1:50:20 PM
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Re: 997 Turbo first test in AMS 13/2006
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Super Darius said:Quote:
KresoF1 said:
Dario, car is awsome but, it is not faster then Z06 at high speed(0-200km/h)... They tested both versions manual and TIP, as far as I know manual will be in next AMS. TIP version? Hmm, let's say that difference is extremly small...
One other hint-Sport Auto will have manual with LSD,PCCB and Michelin Cup's for Supertest(June or August issue)...
Not to start another argument over the Z06 but if the Z06 can d0 198 m.p.h, then the 997TT is 3-4 m.p.h slower on the top end. The only difference is that the Z06 might do it's top end several times before the engine retires while the 997TT will shine over and over again
Re: 997 Turbo first test in AMS 13/2006
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KresoF1 said:
World first test will be in next issue of german Auto,Motor und Sport Issue 13/2006 07.06.2006.
Let's wait then for final results...
let me have a guess: five stars, perfect if slightly boring, fuel tank too small
Dammit! How could you know???
Re: 997 Turbo first test in AMS 13/2006
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The only difference is that the Z06 might do it's top end several times before the engine retires while the 997TT will shine over and over again
Would like to see pics of my Turbo's motor TWICE sitting out of the car at the dealership for repairs ? It looks pretty nice inside !
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Super Darius said:Quote:
KresoF1 said:
Dario, car is awsome but, it is not faster then Z06 at high speed(0-200km/h)... They tested both versions manual and TIP, as far as I know manual will be in next AMS. TIP version? Hmm, let's say that difference is extremly small...
One other hint-Sport Auto will have manual with LSD,PCCB and Michelin Cup's for Supertest(June or August issue)...
Not to start another argument over the Z06 but if the Z06 can d0 198 m.p.h, then the 997TT is 3-4 m.p.h slower on the top end. The only difference is that the Z06 might do it's top end several times before the engine retires while the 997TT will shine over and over again
You win the award for the most ignorant statement of the day!!! The Chevy small block V8 used in the Z is as bullet proof as any engine around, if not more so! Just look at the engine performance/reliability of the C5R & C6R. I have had 7 Vettes, run the hell out of them, and NEVER an engine problem. But my 911...Don't ask!!!
Re: 997 Turbo first test in AMS 13/2006
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KresoF1 said:
Dario, car is awsome but, it is not faster then Z06 at high speed(0-200km/h)... They tested both versions manual and TIP, as far as I know manual will be in next AMS. TIP version? Hmm, let's say that difference is extremly small...
One other hint-Sport Auto will have manual with LSD,PCCB and Michelin Cup's for Supertest(June or August issue)...
What were the 0-200kph times for the Z06, tt six speed, and tip?
Re: 997 Turbo first test in AMS 13/2006
Z06 0-200km/h: 11.9s
For 997 Turbo times you will have to wait June 6th 2006!
This is the date when this issue of AMS will be published.
Since very good freind of mine works at AMS I will give you some hint-both manual and TIP are little bit slower then Z06(but, really LITTLE BIT!) in 0-200km/h and very interesting both versions have almost the same metrics in 0-200km/h!
BTW, 997 Turbo in AMS will be manual with Sport Chrono, TIP test will be published in later issue...
For 997 Turbo times you will have to wait June 6th 2006!
This is the date when this issue of AMS will be published.
Since very good freind of mine works at AMS I will give you some hint-both manual and TIP are little bit slower then Z06(but, really LITTLE BIT!) in 0-200km/h and very interesting both versions have almost the same metrics in 0-200km/h!
BTW, 997 Turbo in AMS will be manual with Sport Chrono, TIP test will be published in later issue...
Re: 997 Turbo first test in AMS 13/2006
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KresoF1 said:
Well, you are almost spot-on! But, since I allready know something I will say only this-not as good as some people expect...
Well, it is not the Tip with SC.
Let me guess: 0-100 kph in 4.0 seconds and 0-200 kph in 13.1 seconds?
13.1s? If that should be the outcome of the AMS test it would be a huge disaster. From that day on I would call the 997TT a piece of crap. And I am not kidding here.
Re: 997 Turbo first test in AMS 13/2006
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MKSGR said:Quote:
RC said:Quote:
KresoF1 said:
Well, you are almost spot-on! But, since I allready know something I will say only this-not as good as some people expect...
Well, it is not the Tip with SC.
Let me guess: 0-100 kph in 4.0 seconds and 0-200 kph in 13.1 seconds?
13.1s? If that should be the outcome of the AMS test it would be a huge disaster. From that day on I would call the 997TT a piece of crap. And I am not kidding here.
I think I know somebody who's getting a GT2
...
Re: 997 Turbo first test in AMS 13/2006
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MKSGR said:Quote:
RC said:Quote:
KresoF1 said:
Well, you are almost spot-on! But, since I allready know something I will say only this-not as good as some people expect...
Well, it is not the Tip with SC.
Let me guess: 0-100 kph in 4.0 seconds and 0-200 kph in 13.1 seconds?
13.1s? If that should be the outcome of the AMS test it would be a huge disaster. From that day on I would call the 997TT a piece of crap. And I am not kidding here.
Without question that would be a disappointing published result
...not fast enough maybe...but a piece of crap...I ain't prepared to make that statement or endorse it 
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MKSGR said:Quote:
RC said:Quote:
KresoF1 said:
Well, you are almost spot-on! But, since I allready know something I will say only this-not as good as some people expect...
Well, it is not the Tip with SC.
Let me guess: 0-100 kph in 4.0 seconds and 0-200 kph in 13.1 seconds?
13.1s? If that should be the outcome of the AMS test it would be a huge disaster. From that day on I would call the 997TT a piece of crap. And I am not kidding here.
I think I know somebody who's getting a GT2
If the TT did 0-200 in 13.1 the GT2 would probably do it in 12s or so
I think Ferrari 599GTB would be the only answer then
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MKSGR said:Quote:
Crash said:Quote:
MKSGR said:Quote:
RC said:Quote:
KresoF1 said:
Well, you are almost spot-on! But, since I allready know something I will say only this-not as good as some people expect...
Well, it is not the Tip with SC.
Let me guess: 0-100 kph in 4.0 seconds and 0-200 kph in 13.1 seconds?
13.1s? If that should be the outcome of the AMS test it would be a huge disaster. From that day on I would call the 997TT a piece of crap. And I am not kidding here.
I think I know somebody who's getting a GT2
If the TT did 0-200 in 13.1 the GT2 would probably do it in 12s or so
I think Ferrari 599GTB would be the only answer then
Take your X50 to Ruf and get the 650 upgrade, their front bumper and rear wing, integrated rollcage, add a rear LSD and lightweight Ruf wheels and then go play bully with those poor 997TT's (and 599GTB's and LP640's)
. If I were you, I'd wait until we see what the results and the conditions were. However, I believe the 997TT did 0-200 km/h in the low 12's, which would put the GT2 in the 11-second range, into 599 and 640 territory.
Re: 997 Turbo first test in AMS 13/2006
Here's my rationalization on why the vette is faster, the turbos they tested were brand new and their engines still fairly tight (pure speculation). The z06 was more broken in ( pure speculation) and therefor faster. I realize this could all be B.S. but I remember that when Road and Track first tested the 997S, it ran 0-60 iin over 4 seconds, yet when they tested one with over 15,000 miles in a comparison test, it ran a significantly faster 3.9. The fact is the Z06 is lighter and more powerful (less torque however) and it would not be surprising if it were slightly faster. Both cars have underated horsepower so who knows.
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trip said:
Did the roof ever fly off your 911?
1. I thought the post that I was replying to was about engines. If I am wrong, please let me know.
2. The roof never flew off of my 911...OR any of my Vettes!
Lighten up Ronnie, I was just messin with ya.
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trip said:
Did the roof ever fly off your 911?
1. I thought the post that I was replying to was about engines. If I am wrong, please let me know.
2. The roof never flew off of my 911...OR any of my Vettes!
Lighten up Ronnie, I was just messin with ya.
Well you better stop it cause Ronnie's gettin pi-s'd
at all doz portia guys bein obnoxus...and ...and the next thing you know threats of check books and other stuff is bound to start happenin 
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KresoF1 said:
Dario, car is awsome but, it is not faster then Z06 at high speed(0-200km/h)... They tested both versions manual and TIP, as far as I know manual will be in next AMS. TIP version? Hmm, let's say that difference is extremly small...
One other hint-Sport Auto will have manual with LSD,PCCB and Michelin Cup's for Supertest(June or August issue)...
Not to start another argument over the Z06 but if the Z06 can d0 198 m.p.h, then the 997TT is 3-4 m.p.h slower on the top end. The only difference is that the Z06 might do it's top end several times before the engine retires while the 997TT will shine over and over again
You win the award for the most ignorant statement of the day!!! The Chevy small block V8 used in the Z is as bullet proof as any engine around, if not more so! Just look at the engine performance/reliability of the C5R & C6R. I have had 7 Vettes, run the hell out of them, and NEVER an engine problem. But my 911...Don't ask!!!
If you keep the Z06 engine constantly at high revs,you will have very big engine problems.
The reason is simple:because it has a big stroke(100mm I think) average piston speeds are high.The bearings and other parts wear out very quickly.This is also a reason why gears are so tall in Corvettes(to keep the revs low).It's not because it has SOOOOO much low end torque.The 997 Turbo has a lot more than that and has normal gear ratios.
Also,specific numbers are well below 100hp/L or 100Nm/L.The engine isn't maxed out.With 7L of displacement,they can afford to do that.I wonder what they could do with 5L of displacement...
I know many different people that run the hell out of many different Porsche engines with no problems at all.
As for the C5/6R,I don't think it's a big accomplishement.
Beating cars that were build and developed by Prodrive has become very common.So I don't think they need to extract as much power from the engine as possible.
But if they are so talented in building race cars,why don't they run in the prototype class?I think it begins with "A" and ends with "udi".The French and Brits aren't too chicken
to challenge them but the fathers of the allmighty C6R are...strange.
Please,don't compare race engines with stock engines.It's day and night.
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