CloseMay 17, 2006 3:15:13 PM
May 17, 2006 3:50:32 PM
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AUM said:
'The manual (997 Turbo) saves some face, though, with test driver Rohrl noting that the self-shifter is three seconds faster around Nurburgring (than the Tip), thanks largely to the extra ratio on offer.' Drive.com.au
That was the time I was waiting for. The 'Ring time is the best measure of sports car performance. This ends the manual versus Tip debate for me. Manual with LSD gets my vote.
AUM
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RC said:Quote:
AUM said:
'The manual (997 Turbo) saves some face, though, with test driver Rohrl noting that the self-shifter is three seconds faster around Nurburgring (than the Tip), thanks largely to the extra ratio on offer.' Drive.com.au
That was the time I was waiting for. The 'Ring time is the best measure of sports car performance. This ends the manual versus Tip debate for me. Manual with LSD gets my vote.
AUM
Sometimes I wish...
1. Walter Röhrl works for Porsche and tells car journalists what he's supposed to tell them
2. Tiptronic is somehow in short supply right now
3. Tiptronic PLUS Sports Chrono is the deal (did Walter Röhrl say that the manual is faster than Tiptronic with Sports Chrono?
I think I just give it up trying to give you guys a little insight, some of you are so focused on manual, others only at track performance and others don't understand the VTG technology and it's major advantage (electronically controlled impellers) at all.
It also seems to me that a lot of people didn't yet understand the Sports Chrono Package. Some think this is a stupid watch only, some think it is only somehow reducing PSM(ESP) reaction. But it is much much more.
I understand that it is difficult to believe that something like an automatic tranny can be that fast. But things aren't that simple. People who compare the Tiptronic of the 997 Turbo to the one on the 997 Carrera or even on the Cayenne, didn't understand anything. To make it clear: I would have NEVER ordered a Carrera with Tiptronic.
I give it up.
BTW: as soon as I have some spare time, I'll write a little technical "FAQ" regarding Tiptronic S, Sports Chrono, PASM and PTM, explaining how all these systems work together to help you to understand what I'm actually trying to tell you all the time.
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Crash said:
I believe everyone will be happy in the end: you with your Tip and the manual brigade with the 6-speed. Must be hell on Earth, knowing that you must wait another month or so for your car
May 17, 2006 5:11:33 PM
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RC said:Quote:
Crash said:
I believe everyone will be happy in the end: you with your Tip and the manual brigade with the 6-speed. Must be hell on Earth, knowing that you must wait another month or so for your car
To each his own I guess, we're probably running this forum because we don't know what we're talking about.
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This can only mean one thing: people didn't understand that the Tip with sports chrono is different on the 997 Turbo. I really can't say more, I wish I could without putting myself in a delicate position.
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RC said:I think I just give it up trying to give you guys a little insight, some of you are so focused on manual, others only at track performance and others don't understand the VTG technology and it's major advantage (electronically controlled impellers) at all.
It also seems to me that a lot of people didn't yet understand the Sports Chrono Package. Some think this is a stupid watch only, some think it is only somehow reducing PSM(ESP) reaction. But it is much much more.
I understand that it is difficult to believe that something like an automatic tranny can be that fast.
May 17, 2006 6:13:34 PM
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intouch1 said:
overboost comes on when you kick-down with car in sport mode 'on'.
May 17, 2006 6:40:23 PM
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SoCal Alan said:Quote:
intouch1 said:
overboost comes on when you kick-down with car in sport mode 'on'.
So, help me understand. With the manual transmission, if sport mode is enabled, overboost is available, as long as you go agressive with the throttle, for a maximum duration of 10 seconds. When you upshift, and hammer the throttle, overboost is available again. And so on, until you are done shifting and/or relax the throttle. So, in actuality, overboost is available all the time, when you need it.
May 17, 2006 6:53:44 PM
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SoCal Alan said:Quote:
intouch1 said:
overboost comes on when you kick-down with car in sport mode 'on'.
So, help me understand. With the manual transmission, if sport mode is enabled, overboost is available, as long as you go agressive with the throttle, for a maximum duration of 10 seconds. When you upshift, and hammer the throttle, overboost is available again. And so on, until you are done shifting and/or relax the throttle. So, in actuality, overboost is available all the time, when you need it.
basically, yes.
the overboost is available between approx. 2000- 5000 rpm. check my previous posts for exact numbers.
as it does not take ten seconds to cover that rpm range, the boost is lost when you go above 5000 rpm, the car shifts and boost is there again till the revs reach 5000 again in an upper gear.
only when constantly driving above 5000 rpm i.e. very high speeds will overboost switch off after 10 seconds.
this basically means that overboost is 'always on' when accellerating hard and only when reaching speeds near the cars limit it will exhaust the 10 second limit.
hope i was able to make it clear.....
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bluelines said:
If Tiptronic is so good why can't I order it for my GT3?
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964C2 said:
This not about a "right" or "wrong" decision...either way the buyer can pick the transmission that suits their driving style, emotional expectations, or bragging rights...
... or Body Length
May 17, 2006 7:19:26 PM
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bluelines said:
If Tiptronic is so good why can't I order it for my GT3?
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bluelines said:
If Tiptronic is so good why can't I order it for my GT3?
I think the conventional wisdom on the 997TT's Tip is that it is integrated into the software that controls the boost on the new VTG turbos, so a Tip on a GT3 would be just as lousy as on a 997(S), but you'd miss the extra gear even more, since the GT3 has a more narrow power band (high in the rev range).
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RC said:
1. Walter Röhrl works for Porsche and tells car journalists what he's supposed to tell them
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RC said:
Walter Röhrl mag sicherlich auf Porsche's Gehaltsliste stehen aber er ist dafür bekannt, dass er kein Blatt vor den Mund nimmt. Ich halte ihn auch für einen sehr fairen Menschen, so dass ich stark bezweifle, dass er, WENN er so etwas über den F430 gesagt hat, unehrlich war. Er hat solche Sprüche nicht nötig.
May 17, 2006 8:06:35 PM
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RC said:
Funny enough, 90% of these people would probably order PDK if it would be available, a shifting system which would actually work the same way like the Tiptronic does (incl. manual and auto) but only with a better reaction time.;q
May 17, 2006 8:26:00 PM
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U Boat Commander said:
Further, PDK with paddle shifters is not the same as automatic with push buttons. I know this is just a perception thing.
but I said it before: the 997 Turbo Tiptronic in conjunction with the Sports Chrono Package is NOT the usual Tiptronic setup people know from the 997 Carrera. Not a completely different beast (still based on the Mercedes auto tranny) but a highly improved one.
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U Boat Commander said:
Further, PDK with paddle shifters is not the same as automatic with push buttons. I know this is just a perception thing.
Perception thing...good one, yes, this is definetely one reason why people are so attached to manual.
BTW: do you really think Porsche is going to use paddles for the PDK? I'd rather say that there will be a stick like on a regular manual and the same push buttons they have now. Something for both worlds, including an auto mode at another push of a button.
And I may repeat myself
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U Boat Commander said:
Further, PDK with paddle shifters is not the same as automatic with push buttons. I know this is just a perception thing.
Perception thing...good one, yes, this is definetely one reason why people are so attached to manual.
BTW: do you really think Porsche is going to use paddles for the PDK? I'd rather say that there will be a stick like on a regular manual and the same push buttons they have now. Something for both worlds, including an auto mode at another push of a button.
And I may repeat myself
IMO, the main thing speaking against the Tip is only five gears. They should've used a 6-speed transmission.
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devo said:
Interesting that Rohrl believes, given the high cost, that the PCCB's are unnecessary; unless the driver is planning on some "serious high speed" track work.
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