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    Re: 997 Turbo TIP drive impression in Auto Bild...

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    JimFlat6 said: ...Mike, which car magazines are doing that? That claim seems a bit too universal for the entire US automotive press. It makes great fodder for those seeking anyway to discredit whatever auto test claim they want.



    OK, let's put the shoe on the other foot.

    Who is using VBOX timing equipment?

    Everybody? Europeans, too?

    Check out the fine print in the test summaries or look at the pictures of the test equipment in the articles. It's pretty obvious to the eye.

    My info comes from proving-grounds data acquisition industry sources. They point out that one can use no correction, nominal correction, or aggressive correction (or anything in-between: it's free-form) for minimum speed trigger and roll-out distance configuration settings. It's the testers' "secret sauce".

    It's no different than adjusting the tire pressures before testing max-lat on a skid pad, is it? Merely adjust the VBOX's setup configuration (once, upon delivery) to give the results a particular magazine's stamp of style.

    If one compares different vehicle data by the same tester (with the same "secret sauce"), comparative evaluations will hold up to scrutiny. It's only when trying to "cross-breed" test data from different magazines that all sorts of conspiracy theories start to spring up.

    Ain't bench racing via magazine-testing fun?

    Re: 997 Turbo TIP drive impression in Auto Bild...

    Thats what we are missing here...a genuine newfoundlander...for entertainment purposes. I haven't done it yet...but it sounds like Targa Newfoundland is quite a success...:-) If you guys haven't been here yet it's a very majestic place...less built up than New Jersey..:-)Not that there is anything wrong with NJ.

    really, NJ's not that bad

    here's a picture I took from the office window in my house


    Re: 997 Turbo TIP drive impression in Auto Bild...

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    LoranTw said:
    Thats what we are missing here...a genuine newfoundlander...for entertainment purposes. I haven't done it yet...but it sounds like Targa Newfoundland is quite a success...:-) If you guys haven't been here yet it's a very majestic place...less built up than New Jersey..:-)Not that there is anything wrong with NJ.



    I saw a show on TV about the Targa Newfoundland. It looked like a lot of fun! And don't worry about NJ, there is plenty wrong there for everybody and little right for anybody.

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    Re: 997 Turbo TIP drive impression in Auto Bild...

    Alan, did you take that pic on the south side of Port Elizabeth??? or is that Camden in the fall?

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    that picture is either from

    my house in NJ or from a trip to Kuaui, can't remember which

    Re: 997 Turbo TIP drive impression in Auto Bild...

    Where is that New Zealand, Hawiai, south america...or alantic city?..:-)

    Re: 997 Turbo TIP drive impression in Auto Bild...

    Its Hanalei Heights near Newark!

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    Re: 997 Turbo TIP drive impression in Auto Bild...

    "And if you want to read exactly the opposite, check out Auto Zeitung."
    Come on RC! This article in Auto Zeitung is almost as written by Porsche marketing... And at the end guy who wrote it mentioned LSD as an option for furhter dynamics. On TIP?? He did not even said that LSD is only optional for manual cars only! IMO, this is the worst drive impressions of 997 Turbo. Article in Powercar is not any better...
    And what about 997 GT3 test!? This is the test?? Even short AMS tests are way better... Any way only data(!!) from Auto Zeitung 997 GT3 test:
    0-100km/h: 4.3s
    0-200km/h:13.6s
    And drive impression from that test is a copy of 997 GT3 press release...

    Re: 997 Turbo TIP drive impression in Auto Bild...

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    KresoF1 said:
    "And if you want to read exactly the opposite, check out Auto Zeitung."
    Come on RC! This article in Auto Zeitung is almost as written by Porsche marketing... And at the end guy who wrote it mentioned LSD as an option for furhter dynamics. On TIP?? He did not even said that LSD is only optional for manual cars only! IMO, this is the worst drive impressions of 997 Turbo. Article in Powercar is not any better...
    And what about 997 GT3 test!? This is the test?? Even short AMS tests are way better... Any way only data(!!) from Auto Zeitung 997 GT3 test:
    0-100km/h: 4.3s
    0-200km/h:13.6s
    And drive impression from that test is a copy of 997 GT3 press release...



    I was actually referring to Powercar, an Auto Zeitung publication.
    I wasn't aware that Auto Zeitung has tested the GT3, are you sure it wasn't only a "Fahrbericht", some sort of "first drive" report?

    You're not somehow connected to the Autobild sister and brothers in Europe like the croatian Auto Blic for example?

    I would agree with you if I wouldn't know more about Tip and Sport Chrono... And some people tend to forget that for example the F1 gearbox on the F430 is actually an automated manual gearbox. The new networked design of the 997 Turbo + Tip removes a lot of the disadvantages of the typical automatic transmission. Adding the special mapping of the Sport Chrono package lifts improvements to a level where people will be suprised how well it works.
    If there is almost no shifting lag compared to the Ferrari F1 shifting system for example and if the new Tiptronic shifts as fast as a professional manual driver, what is the problem with Tiptronic? Right, none. Maybe Porsche should have changed the name of the Tiptronic in the new 997 Turbo, how about Sportronic?

    Re: 997 Turbo TIP drive impression in Auto Bild...

    Well, friend of mine works for croatian AMS.
    I very well understand advantages of "so called" network system in new Turbo but, even you can not say that TIP version is faster around Ring or more fun??
    For you ultimate(current) Porsche sportscar is 997 Turbo TIP, for me it is 997 Turbo manual with optional LSD. And this is it! Long live the differences in opinion!!
    But, what if AMS or Sport Auto find out that TIP version is very fast in straight line but, slower on track(Ring!) and less fun? What will you say then?
    MB 5speed TIP gearbox can not be called Sportronic! It woulv be really strange to call 10years old gearbox Sportronic, IMO.
    Too many people do not understand that this kind of Tiptronic performance is only possible in Turbo! Not in any other Porsche sportscars model... And when new GT2 comes what kind of gearbox will it feature? 6speed manual of course! PDK(or DSG)? Maybe on 997 Turbo S... But, do not be suprised if we do not see any PDK on 997 Turbo at all!
    Did you drive F430F1? Well, it is the best current sequential(but, yes it is manual!) gearbox on the market. And you say that TIP in 997 Turbo will offer better feel, control and thrill of driving then 997 Turbo manual(with LSD) or F430F1?
    Simply said-I DO NOT AGREE!

    Re: 997 Turbo TIP drive impression in Auto Bild...

    Have to reply fast, still a lot of work to do in the office.

    1. IF Sport Auto says that Tiptronic and Sports Chrono suck, I put my hat down and start crying because I ordered Tip.

    2. Yes, the Tiptronic with Sports Chrono works exactly like the F1 on the F430 (concept is different of course), with two tiny differences: shifting time is a tad slowlier (by a couple of milliseconds as far as I understand) and you don't have the possiblity to choose from different setups like on the F430. Otherwise, no difference. In auto mode, the Tiptronic even works better on the Turbo.

    Of course I have to rely on second-hand information and this may be the weak point of my claims, no doubt about it. But so far, these second-hand information sources have been pretty accurate in their claims.

    What can I say? I HOPE I'm right but I'm not god and I'm not perfect (ask my wife...she knows... ). Different opinions? No problem. But of course I have the right to stick to mine.

    Re: 997 Turbo TIP drive impression in Auto Bild...

    i like Top gear best around imo

    Re: 997 Turbo TIP drive impression in Auto Bild...

    It is not just a few tenths of a second faster ... it is also safer!

    Re: 997 Turbo TIP drive impression in Auto Bild...

    Are you saying the tiptronic is safer than the manual. Thats crap. Or were you talking about turbo vs. f430?

    Re: 997 Turbo TIP drive impression in Auto Bild...

    I spoke to my dealer yesterday (who's just been in spain) and he just said "manual is the only choice" - "The TIP sure is a bit faster up to 60mph but after that the manual is much faster".

    Maunal FTW!

    Re: 997 Turbo TIP drive impression in Auto Bild...

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    Frol said:
    I spoke to my dealer yesterday (who's just been in spain) and he just said "manual is the only choice" - "The TIP sure is a bit faster up to 60mph but after that the manual is much faster".

    Maunal FTW!


    Exactly! Can't wait for this AMS test to set things straight.

    Re: 997 Turbo TIP drive impression in Auto Bild...

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    Frol said:
    I spoke to my dealer yesterday (who's just been in spain) and he just said "manual is the only choice" - "The TIP sure is a bit faster up to 60mph but after that the manual is much faster".
    Maunal FTW!



    Tip gets to 200kmph faster than manual, although the manual starts pulling ground (thus being faster) probably somewhere around ~135kmph (rough estimation)...
    Sleuth around with the search option and go back to your dealer with some info that might make his jaw drop

     
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