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    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    RC:
    It surely wasn't 34 seconds, not from AMS and not from Porsche. Smiley

    I had a good look round at footage and numbers of the old 997 turbo S and new 991 turbo S including the vid of the new 991 S accelerating to 298kph.

    I think the 30.4s is correct Smiley

    There is the combination of gear ratios (the 991 change from 5th to 6th lands the revs right on 6000rpm so right into a meaty 540PS+ from there upwards) and the amazing action of the PDK which is worth up to a second per gearchange compared to the manual cars I was comparing with as there is zero boost drop and no let up in the acceleration - apologies for my previous postsSmiley

     


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    Why the need to apologize? I'm not exactly the oracle of Delphi either.   wink

    What worries me a little bit is the performance difference between the Autozeitung review (0-200 kph in 9.6 seconds) and the AMS review (0-200 kph in 10.2 seconds). This is a huge difference and since the 0-100 kph time is the same, 2.9 seconds, I don't think this has something to do with a stickier asphalt (Autozeitung tests on a ground with a pretty sticky pavement). Weird. I just hope that the output of the "new" engine doesn't vary too much. 


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Turbo S, Cayenne GTS (958), BMW X3 35d (2013)


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    Wow!  If I wanted to calculate the number of angels dancing on the head of a pin whirling around at a trillion miles an hour, I would ask you guys  to be the mathematicians...Smiley


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    Wonderbar:

    Wow!  If I wanted to calculate the number of angels dancing on the head of a pin whirling around at a trillion miles an hour, I would ask you guys  to be the mathematicians...Smiley

    Smiley C'mon...we need to brag about something, don't we?! Smiley


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Turbo S, Cayenne GTS (958), BMW X3 35d (2013)


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    No offense intended, RC.  I am a big fan of yours and the Board.  You amaze me really, with your command of English and your always current knowledge of sports car news and details.  You are one passionate and generous guy, and all of us are grateful--even crabby old guys like me...


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    RC:

    What worries me a little bit is the performance difference between the Autozeitung review (0-200 kph in 9.6 seconds) and the AMS review (0-200 kph in 10.2 seconds). This is a huge difference and since the 0-100 kph time is the same, 2.9 seconds, I don't think this has something to do with a stickier asphalt (Autozeitung tests on a ground with a pretty sticky pavement). Weird. I just hope that the output of the "new" engine doesn't vary too much. 

    AZ measures with one person, AMS/SA with two persons...Smiley


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    First customer car? 


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    2011 Porsche 911 Carrera 4S Cabriolet PDK Basalt Black/Cocoa

    2013 Aston Martin Cygnet 


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    That sunroof is just goofy.  


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    LUPINN:

    First customer car? 

     

    Nope. "PZ" number plate =  "Porschezentrum" = official Porsche dealer. 


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    KresoF1:
    RC:

    What worries me a little bit is the performance difference between the Autozeitung review (0-200 kph in 9.6 seconds) and the AMS review (0-200 kph in 10.2 seconds). This is a huge difference and since the 0-100 kph time is the same, 2.9 seconds, I don't think this has something to do with a stickier asphalt (Autozeitung tests on a ground with a pretty sticky pavement). Weird. I just hope that the output of the "new" engine doesn't vary too much. 

    AZ measures with one person, AMS/SA with two persons...Smiley

    KresoF1,

    is One person = 0,6 secs difference for 0-200 sprint


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    RC:

    Well, you won't win red light races in a MP4-12C and no Quartermile races either. indecision

    On the other hand, I don't think you need to worry about winter driving capabilities in San Diego, so...

     

    I'll give you the 0-100 and barely, but the quarter mile belongs to the 12C. as we have discussed before, the S is ahead to about 90 mph where the 12C catches it and beats it to the quarter mile by about 0.2-0.5s.

    Several people in the US have achieved low 10s with the Mac at sanctioned drag strips but with decent rubber, not the pzeros. I still think for 200k, the S was supposed to deliver more performance than this, so I am glad i didnt wait for it. as for winter driving, the cayenne TT will do the jobwink.

    Looking forward to your personal review once you get your S soon.


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    2013 12C spider

    2013 Audi A5 Cab

     

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    According to AMS/Sport Auto, both, the MP4-12C and the 991 Turbo S have a quartermile time of 10.9 seconds.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Turbo S, Cayenne GTS (958), BMW X3 35d (2013)


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    RC, waiting for pics of your car...


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    Got the chance to drive the new 991 Turbo S at the Red Bull Ring yesterday.

    1 Stage was an tight handling parcours. Where you got the feel about the 4wd steering and nimbleness of the car.

    It feels really tight and nimble. Very stable cornering. Perfect braking balance. Its freaking how late you can brake with it, and when you are a lil bit too late, the 4wd steering does it for you. Good sound from outside for a Turbo ;).

    2 Stage was an strip with hard acc. with LC and at the end hard braking. (This Section was driven with a 991 Turbo and steel brakes)

    Off the line i think there is not much difference between LC starts and normal acceleration. Only the first few meters naturally. In normal driving conditions and also on red lights you don’t need LC at all :). Also here really good braking stability.

    3 Stage was driving at the Red Bull Ring in high pace back to back comp. against the 997 II Turbo S.

    Back to back these two cars are worlds apart !!!. The ride is so much more refined, stable, honed out its unbelievable. The 997 Turbo S jumps and wiggles, the 991 Turbo S is stable, stable, stable. Straight line performance is nearly the same tho.

    At first I have overdriven the car. On corner entry i released the brake to early and also turned in a little bit to early. This gave me mid corner to heavy and i mean heavy corner exit understeer. I have/had the wrong driving technique for the 991 Turbo S, but after a chat with the Porsche Instructor and 2 laps with him behind the wheel, a got the feel how the car needs to be driven on the track. The 997 Turbo S for me was "easier" to drive on corner entry and exit because it slides more on the back and it has not the massive grip the 991 Turbo S has. But you are slower ;). 

    Conclusion is that this is the perfect all round sports car (and RC you made for sure the right decision) but for me it was an eye opener what i dislike now on my 997 Turbo I also dislike on the 991 Turbo S. This is not about 0-100-200-300 times nor costs nor social awareness. For me its about driving style and technique and the 991 Turbo S is also with 4wd steering all about slow in fast out, and after years i found out that i don’t like this. This tho is only viable on race tracks with full attack mode on.

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    official NBR Times: 

    Turbo with Pirelli P Zero: 7:27

    GT3 with Michelin Cups 7:25

    Turbo S with Pirelli P Zero 7:24


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    hunterone:

    Got the chance to drive the new 991 Turbo S at the Red Bull Ring yesterday.

    1 Stage was an tight handling parcours. Where you got the feel about the 4wd steering and nimbleness of the car.

    It feels really tight and nimble. Very stable cornering. Perfect braking balance. Its freaking how late you can brake with it, and when you are a lil bit too late, the 4wd steering does it for you. Good sound from outside for a Turbo ;).

    2 Stage was an strip with hard acc. with LC and at the end hard braking. (This Section was driven with a 991 Turbo and steel brakes)

    Off the line i think there is not much difference between LC starts and normal acceleration. Only the first few meters naturally. In normal driving conditions and also on red lights you don’t need LC at all :). Also here really good braking stability.

    3 Stage was driving at the Red Bull Ring in high pace back to back comp. against the 997 II Turbo S.

    Back to back these two cars are worlds apart !!!. The ride is so much more refined, stable, honed out its unbelievable. The 997 Turbo S jumps and wiggles, the 991 Turbo S is stable, stable, stable. Straight line performance is nearly the same tho.

    At first I have overdriven the car. On corner entry i released the brake to early and also turned in a little bit to early. This gave me mid corner to heavy and i mean heavy corner exit understeer. I have/had the wrong driving technique for the 991 Turbo S, but after a chat with the Porsche Instructor and 2 laps with him behind the wheel, a got the feel how the car needs to be driven on the track. The 997 Turbo S for me was "easier" to drive on corner entry and exit because it slides more on the back and it has not the massive grip the 991 Turbo S has. But you are slower ;). 

    Conclusion is that this is the perfect all round sports car (and RC you made for sure the right decision) but for me it was an eye opener what i dislike now on my 997 Turbo I also dislike on the 991 Turbo S. This is not about 0-100-200-300 times nor costs nor social awareness. For me its about driving style and technique and the 991 Turbo S is also with 4wd steering all about slow in fast out, and after years i found out that i don’t like this. This tho is only viable on race tracks with full attack mode on.

     

    so you are saying that you don't like to drive 911s anymore? i gather the GT3 will also be 'slow in fast out'. any thoughts about the MP4-12C in comparism?

    cheers peter


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    Looking closely at a TTS at my dealer the other day, I was surprised by the poor appearance of the plastic side intakes . They look .... plastic ....... cheap ........ and did not even fit perfectly ( there are 2 pieces that join ) surprise

    They would be much better in carbon, or painted to hide the plastic. Maybe even a nice aluminum part would look great .

    I am sure the option will come......... even if it from ' tuners' 


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    CGX car nut:

    That sunroof is just goofy.  

    not even the ugly turbo duckling deserves this hideous sunroof. porsche design at its worst.

    peter


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    hunterone:

    official NBR Times: 

    Turbo with Pirelli P Zero: 7:27

    GT3 with Michelin Cups 7:25

    Turbo S with Pirelli P Zero 7:24

    Are you sure?

    I actually have Turbo S with PZero 7:27, GT3 with Michelin Cup 2 7:25 and Turbo S with Dunlop SportMaxx 7:24. Smiley

    These values have been communicated verbally to me, so maybe I got them wrong.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Turbo S, Cayenne GTS (958), BMW X3 35d (2013)


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    No, you got it right since I got same info from my P source.

    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    And I got it that the S is 2 sec faster then the non S on the Ring. So it would bring the Turbo to 7:29


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    There was an official Presentation with exact figures so .... maybe the Porsche guys got something mixed up.


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    hunterone:

    There was an official Presentation with exact figures so .... maybe the Porsche guys got something mixed up.

    Does it really matter? These are official factory claims anyway, so we should wait for the first Sport Auto Supertest.

    My guess for the 991 Turbo S is: 7:30-7:32 with PZero or 7:27-7:29 with Dunlop SportMaxx, depending on what tire Porsche will equip the testcar with. If Porsche is clever, they use the Dunlop SportMaxx UHP tire because once the first Nordschleife time is carved in stone...well...speaking of marketing and all. Smiley Btw: The Dunlop SportMaxx UHP tire is officially approved for the 991 Turbo S, so it would make completely sense.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Turbo S, Cayenne GTS (958), BMW X3 35d (2013)


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    Gnil:

    And I got it that the S is 2 sec faster then the non S on the Ring. So it would bring the Turbo to 7:29

    Yes but only for a Turbo equipped with all performance goodies, incl. PCCB.
     Smiley

    I know of a customer who ordered a 991 Turbo without PDCC and Sport Chrono. According to the sales person, this guy argued that he doesn't need all these "gimmicks". Smiley He ordered leather options for over 15k though. Smiley


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Turbo S, Cayenne GTS (958), BMW X3 35d (2013)


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    moo:

    so you are saying that you don't like to drive 911s anymore? i gather the GT3 will also be 'slow in fast out'. any thoughts about the MP4-12C in comparism?

    cheers peter

    This is a difficult question. Have i ever liked the 911 at all ? I am often thinking back to my 06 Boxster S and i liked it from an driving dynamics point of view more then my 997 Turbo.

    The MP4-12C is mid engined - for me on the limit more predictable and consistend compared to the 991 Turbo S. Straight Line Performance is better in the MP4-12C (not from standstill ;)). The 991 Turbo S is also very agile like the MP4-12C is, but as i said before i dont have the right driving style for the Turbo and i dont want to adapt it. For me the Maca is the more special car - when i stand in front of it, i am in eager to get in and drive it. V8 Sound, High Reving, Interior, Exterior, Driving Dynamics the MP4-12C does it for me.

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    hunterone:
    moo:

    so you are saying that you don't like to drive 911s anymore? i gather the GT3 will also be 'slow in fast out'. any thoughts about the MP4-12C in comparism?

    cheers peter

    This is a difficult question. Have i ever liked the 911 at all ? I am often thinking back to my 06 Boxster S and i liked it from an driving dynamics point of view more then my 997 Turbo.

    The MP4-12C is mid engined - for me on the limit more predictable and consistend compared to the 991 Turbo S. Straight Line Performance is better in the MP4-12C (not from standstill ;)). The 991 Turbo S is also very agile like the MP4-12C is, but as i said before i dont have the right driving style for the Turbo and i dont want to adapt it. For me the Maca is the more special car - when i stand in front of it, i am in eager to get in and drive it. V8 Sound, High Reving, Interior, Exterior, Driving Dynamics the MP4-12C does it for me.

     

    i am with you on this. mid-engined just beats it for me as well. 911 style slow-in, braking  .....  weight transfer before turn in .....no matter how fast it is, it has nothing of the agility of a mid engined car. also the 7200 rev limit of the turbo S is a serious turn off for me, as well as its sound. i might have fallen for the rawness of the GT3 and i am still on the list for a GT3RS but the F458 just thrills me as a daily driver. peter


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    Finally, first customer car! 


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    2011 Porsche 911 Carrera 4S Cabriolet PDK Basalt Black/Cocoa

    2013 Aston Martin Cygnet 


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    Total OT: how is the cygnet? Could you start  thread on it?


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    LUPINN:

    Finally, first customer car! 

    WOW!!  What colour is this?  Rod.Siliver?  how is it look sky blue??  This is very nice!


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    Yes this is rhodium silver. awesome color.


     
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