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Oct 4, 2013 10:13:15 AM

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Cyprus; Posts: 12130, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 20, 2005; Reply to: RC

Re: 991 targa

RC:

TomSilver:

Yes, on the german forums they discuss that the Targa will have no back seats, which I find hard to believe. Being a 2+2 seater was always a 911 trademark. But now even RC mentioned it, so it seems to be possible.

I just know that there was some sort of issue with the back seats but the latest thing I heard was that the back seats are there but can only be used with the roof closed. Not sure how Porsche solved this problem, if there was such a problem, so it remains to be seen. I think that one German car magazine claimed that there won't be any back seats at all but in my opinion, this would actually "kill" the Targa.

Why instal a glass roof that takes space when opened? They could use a canvas roof that rolls open into the fixed part of the roof. Similar to the Lancia (Beta) Monte Carlo.

On the Mercedes you unload your luggage to open the roof, on the Porsche you unload your passengers. Ridiculous yes

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Oct 4, 2013 10:13:37 AM

SportCarGroup: Expert; Loc: IL , Israel; Posts: 1834, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 10, 2012; Reply to: RC

Re: 991 targa

RC:

I think Suzy ordered a C4S, not a Turbo. In her place, I would have sold the Boxster S and changed the C4S order to a 991 Turbo Cab.

Now you talking Smiley

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Oct 4, 2013 10:19:53 AM

SuzyF: Expert; Loc: Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 1306, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 7, 2013; Reply to: SportCarGroup

Re: 991 targa

SportCarGroup:

BTW Suzy, you realy want to change your mind from Turbo to Targa? The performance figures are so different....or woman choosing the car judging exterior look only?

I didn't order a Turbo. I ordered a C4S in stone grey metallic. Wanted white metallic, but they (someone at zuffenhausen, don't gonna say his name) said it was not feasible. Problem was that 3 weeks later there was a white metallic Turbo in front of me at the IAA in Frankfurt and i got really pissed. That car looked beautiful and must have been in production at the point I asked for that color. Felt like they lied to me. That's why I had an appointment last week. They made their apologies for giving me the wrong information and said they didn't have the right information theirselves. I could have changed to the oryx white, but i was curious about the Targa (my favourite model of the old cars). That's why I canceled and decided to wait untill end december/early january.

But if that doesn't have usable backseats (at least as usable as the coupe) it's no option for me. There would be no need to upgrade from my boxster in that case. Performance isn't the most important facor for me. I would buy something else than a Porsche if that was the case. Smiley

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Oct 4, 2013 10:23:36 AM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59607, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: SuzyF

Re: 991 targa

SuzyF:

SportCarGroup:

BTW Suzy, you realy want to change your mind from Turbo to Targa? The performance figures are so different....or woman choosing the car judging exterior look only?

I didn't order a Turbo. I ordered a C4S in stone grey metallic. Wanted white metallic, but they (someone at zuffenhausen, don't gonna say his name) said it was not feasible. Problem was that 3 weeks later there was a white metallic Turbo in front of me at the IAA in Frankfurt and i got really pissed. That car looked beautiful and must have been in production at the point I asked for that color. Felt like they lied to me. That's why I had an appointment last week. They made their apologies for giving me the wrong information and said they didn't have the right information theirselves. I could have changed to the oryx white, but i was curious about the Targa (my favourite model of the old cars). That's why I canceled and decided to wait untill end december/early january.

But if that doesn't have usable backseats (at least as usable as the coupe) it's no option for me. There would be no need to upgrade from my boxster in that case. Performance isn't the most important facor for me. I would buy something else than a Porsche if that was the case.

Example? Smiley

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Oct 4, 2013 10:27:08 AM

SportCarGroup: Expert; Loc: IL , Israel; Posts: 1834, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 10, 2012; Reply to: SuzyF

Re: 991 targa

SuzyF:

SportCarGroup:

BTW Suzy, you realy want to change your mind from Turbo to Targa? The performance figures are so different....or woman choosing the car judging exterior look only?

I didn't order a Turbo. I ordered a C4S in stone grey metallic. Wanted white metallic, but they (someone at zuffenhausen, don't gonna say his name) said it was not feasible. Problem was that 3 weeks later there was a white metallic Turbo in front of me at the IAA in Frankfurt and i got really pissed. That car looked beautiful and must have been in production at the point I asked for that color. Felt like they lied to me. That's why I had an appointment last week. They made their apologies for giving me the wrong information and said they didn't have the right information theirselves. I could have changed to the oryx white, but i was curious about the Targa (my favourite model of the old cars). That's why I canceled and decided to wait untill end december/early january.

But if that doesn't have usable backseats (at least as usable as the coupe) it's no option for me. There would be no need to upgrade from my boxster in that case. Performance isn't the most important facor for me. I would buy something else than a Porsche if that was the case.

Why you would not go with RC's advice selling the Boxster and getting a 991 Turbo Cab?

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Oct 4, 2013 10:30:17 AM

SuzyF: Expert; Loc: Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 1306, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 7, 2013; Reply to: RC

Re: 991 targa

RC:

SuzyF:

SportCarGroup:

BTW Suzy, you realy want to change your mind from Turbo to Targa? The performance figures are so different....or woman choosing the car judging exterior look only?

I didn't order a Turbo. I ordered a C4S in stone grey metallic. Wanted white metallic, but they (someone at zuffenhausen, don't gonna say his name) said it was not feasible. Problem was that 3 weeks later there was a white metallic Turbo in front of me at the IAA in Frankfurt and i got really pissed. That car looked beautiful and must have been in production at the point I asked for that color. Felt like they lied to me. That's why I had an appointment last week. They made their apologies for giving me the wrong information and said they didn't have the right information theirselves. I could have changed to the oryx white, but i was curious about the Targa (my favourite model of the old cars). That's why I canceled and decided to wait untill end december/early january.

But if that doesn't have usable backseats (at least as usable as the coupe) it's no option for me. There would be no need to upgrade from my boxster in that case. Performance isn't the most important facor for me. I would buy something else than a Porsche if that was the case.

Example?

Depends if it was to be a DD or not. If so, a Mclaren mp4.

If it was pure for fun and performance. Donkervoort D8 GTO. No brainer for me.

But since I don't like the Mclaren and the Donkervoort is too hardcore for DD it will probably still be a Porsche haha

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Oct 4, 2013 10:34:08 AM

SuzyF: Expert; Loc: Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 1306, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 7, 2013; Reply to: SportCarGroup

Re: 991 targa

SportCarGroup:

SuzyF:

SportCarGroup:

BTW Suzy, you realy want to change your mind from Turbo to Targa? The performance figures are so different....or woman choosing the car judging exterior look only?

I didn't order a Turbo. I ordered a C4S in stone grey metallic. Wanted white metallic, but they (someone at zuffenhausen, don't gonna say his name) said it was not feasible. Problem was that 3 weeks later there was a white metallic Turbo in front of me at the IAA in Frankfurt and i got really pissed. That car looked beautiful and must have been in production at the point I asked for that color. Felt like they lied to me. That's why I had an appointment last week. They made their apologies for giving me the wrong information and said they didn't have the right information theirselves. I could have changed to the oryx white, but i was curious about the Targa (my favourite model of the old cars). That's why I canceled and decided to wait untill end december/early january.

But if that doesn't have usable backseats (at least as usable as the coupe) it's no option for me. There would be no need to upgrade from my boxster in that case. Performance isn't the most important facor for me. I would buy something else than a Porsche if that was the case.

Why you would not go with RC's advice selling the Boxster and getting a 991 Turbo Cab?

I'm not a big fan of the looks of the turbo and especially not the cab, although I have to admit that RC's car looks very nice. That did change my mind a bit... Dark colors suit the turbo a lot better than light colors.

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Oct 4, 2013 10:37:09 AM

SportCarGroup: Expert; Loc: IL , Israel; Posts: 1834, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 10, 2012; Reply to: SuzyF

Re: 991 targa

The 991 Turbo looks awesome, Cab as well. If I would order one I would take round exhaust tips, and paint the side intakes in exterior color broken heart

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Oct 4, 2013 10:41:37 AM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59607, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: SuzyF

Re: 991 targa

SuzyF:

Depends if it was to be a DD or not. If so, a Mclaren mp4.

If it was pure for fun and performance. Donkervoort D8 GTO. No brainer for me.

But since I don't like the Mclaren and the Donkervoort is too hardcore for DD it will probably still be a Porsche haha

The MP4-12C is not as great as you may think but I have to admit that I would prefer it over a 458 for example. I would choose the F12 instead. Smiley

Donkervoort D8 GTO? Seriously? Oh well...you are still young...my old bones would shiver and the car wouldn't be really fast for me. Smiley Also no airbags (as far as I remember)...hmm...not really a car I would like to be on the street with, maybe on the track.

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Oct 4, 2013 10:44:19 AM

steelested: Co-Pilot; Loc: uk , United Kingdom; Posts: 214, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 10, 2012; Reply to: RC

Re: 991 targa

the great mystery is

turbo targa

back seats or no seats?

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Oct 4, 2013 10:44:55 AM

SportCarGroup: Expert; Loc: IL , Israel; Posts: 1834, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 10, 2012; Reply to: steelested

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Oct 4, 2013 10:45:44 AM

SportCarGroup: Expert; Loc: IL , Israel; Posts: 1834, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 10, 2012; Reply to: SportCarGroup

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SportCarGroup:

Couldn't make the intake pure white, but still looks much better to me Smiley Hate the external black plastic parts Smiley

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Oct 4, 2013 10:46:00 AM

steelested: Co-Pilot; Loc: uk , United Kingdom; Posts: 214, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 10, 2012; Reply to: SportCarGroup

Re: 991 targa

someone should do a turbo targa render

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Oct 4, 2013 10:51:14 AM

SuzyF: Expert; Loc: Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 1306, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 7, 2013; Reply to: RC

Re: 991 targa

RC:

SuzyF:

Depends if it was to be a DD or not. If so, a Mclaren mp4.

If it was pure for fun and performance. Donkervoort D8 GTO. No brainer for me.

But since I don't like the Mclaren and the Donkervoort is too hardcore for DD it will probably still be a Porsche haha

The MP4-12C is not as great as you may think but I have to admit that I would prefer it over a 458 for example. I would choose the F12 instead.

Donkervoort D8 GTO? Seriously? Oh well...you are still young...my old bones would shiver and the car wouldn't be really fast for me. Also no airbags (as far as I remember)...hmm...not really a car I would like to be on the street with, maybe on the track.

Damn! How could I forget the F12?! Of course i would choose that over a mclaren.

The Donkervoort is really special. Not a great streetcar indeed, although not as harsh as you may think. But the speed and performance is breathtaking. I've been lucky enough to drive it for about 15 minutes not long ago. It has 400hp and only weighs 695kg. It's like a big gokart. Very direct steering without powerassist. I was very deeply impressed. May look like a kitcar but does feel as refined as a porsche. Only downside is that my hair looked like my hairdryer had exploded after that 15 minutes drive LOL

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Oct 4, 2013 10:52:30 AM

SportCarGroup: Expert; Loc: IL , Israel; Posts: 1834, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 10, 2012; Reply to: steelested

Re: 991 targa

steelested:

someone should do a turbo targa render

Quick PS

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Oct 4, 2013 10:53:17 AM

steelested: Co-Pilot; Loc: uk , United Kingdom; Posts: 214, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 10, 2012; Reply to: SportCarGroup

Re: 991 targa

Oh Y E S

Game over

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Oct 4, 2013 10:53:43 AM

SportCarGroup: Expert; Loc: IL , Israel; Posts: 1834, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 10, 2012; Reply to: steelested

Re: 991 targa

indecision

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Oct 4, 2013 10:55:56 AM

SuzyF: Expert; Loc: Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 1306, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 7, 2013; Reply to: SportCarGroup

Re: 991 targa

SportCarGroup:

SportCarGroup:

Couldn't make the intake pure white, but still looks much better to me Hate the external black plastic parts

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I agree that this does look better indeed... Thank you for confusing me even more!! LOL

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Oct 4, 2013 10:56:51 AM

steelested: Co-Pilot; Loc: uk , United Kingdom; Posts: 214, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 10, 2012; Reply to: SportCarGroup

Re: 991 targa

i personally think its much more handsome than cabrio

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Oct 4, 2013 11:29:17 AM

bridggar: Veteran; Loc: UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 1223, Gallery; Registered on: May 25, 2007; Reply to: steelested

Re: 991 targa

whereas it reminds me of a cockroach.

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Oct 4, 2013 11:49:43 AM

SuzyF: Expert; Loc: Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 1306, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 7, 2013; Reply to: SportCarGroup

Re: 991 targa

SportCarGroup:

Couldn't make the intake pure white, but still looks much better to me Hate the external black plastic parts

Did a quick render Smiley
Here's a Turbo S cab in PTS Stone grey metallic, with LTS two-tone Black-Natural brown interior AND painted vents! ;)

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Oct 4, 2013 12:00:50 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59607, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: SuzyF

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Not a fan of painted vents (but it seems many people seem to like them painted), I would rather add some sort of carbon shell to them, like on the GT2 RS. Oh boy...I think we just opened a can full of worms if someone from Exclusive department read this. indecision

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Oct 4, 2013 12:02:21 PM

SuzyF: Expert; Loc: Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 1306, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 7, 2013; Reply to: RC

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RC:

Not a fan of painted vents (but it seems many people seem to like them painted), I would rather add some sort of carbon shell to them, like on the GT2 RS. Oh boy...I think we just opened a can full of worms if someone from Exclusive department read this.

They better should! Smiley I've got tons of ideas for them! Smiley

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Oct 4, 2013 12:15:03 PM

993Targa: Rennteam Pro; Loc: ZH , Switzerland; Posts: 2522, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 16, 2004; Reply to: steelested

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steelested:

i personally think its much more handsome than cabrio

I'm trying to understand, explain? I loved the 993-997 Targas, because even closed you have the cabrio feeling, because of the glass roof.The downside is that it's not a full cabrio and you sacrifice a bit of the classical 911 shape.

With the new 991 you only have the downsides unless the middle panel is glass as well?

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Oct 4, 2013 12:27:08 PM

SuzyF: Expert; Loc: Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 1306, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 7, 2013; Reply to: 993Targa

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I think that a Targa should have a detachable roof, not just a sunroof. For me that is the reason why I didn't like the 993-997 Targas. I love the original Targa and the 991 will have the same looks with that bar and panoramic rear window. If I want a glass roof I can get it on the coupe.

Just a matter of personal taste I guess ;)

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Oct 4, 2013 1:31:49 PM

steelested: Co-Pilot; Loc: uk , United Kingdom; Posts: 214, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 10, 2012; Reply to: 993Targa

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i simply prefer the look - its possible the roof panels are also glass....

dont know why but its purely an asthetic thing...

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Oct 4, 2013 2:03:30 PM

Mithras: Expert; Loc: Toronto, Canada , Canada; Posts: 1981, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 16, 2005; Reply to: steelested

Re: 991 targa

I loved the old targa style. With it open while you were driving it had 97% of the feeling of a Cab but with less wind buffeting. It also have significantly more headroom in the back due to the roofline. I liked it aestetically as well.

Loosing the rear seats would be a terrible thing and point to lack of foresight and engineering prowess.

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Oct 4, 2013 2:33:11 PM

Gnil: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: VD, Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 14188, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 11, 2005; Reply to: Mithras

Re: 991 targa

How many times would you have someone sitting in the back with the roof down ?

So, if the Targa only has the disadvantage to hide the seats when the roof is open, it is not too much of a disadvantage

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Oct 4, 2013 3:14:30 PM

sfo: Rennteam Pro; Loc: London , United Kingdom; Posts: 2093, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 17, 2011; Reply to: Gnil

Re: 991 targa

Assuming Porsche is using the Cabriolet shell as the starting point for the Targa, it's conceivable that the rear seats are put out of action with the targa roof down .. the panel would not fold like the Cab, and it would take more space, protruding into the rear passenger compartment

would look very strange though.

can't wait to see what the Targa really is.

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Oct 4, 2013 3:25:14 PM

steelested: Co-Pilot; Loc: uk , United Kingdom; Posts: 214, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 10, 2012; Reply to: sfo

Re: 991 targa

its certainly generating a fair amount of interest.....

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