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    Very sad day for all car enthusiasts

     Most of you surely remember the commercial with Ferry Porsche "Independence".  Quote " ... and that is why Porsche needs to stay small and independently .. "

    I guess that is now past. Porsche is just one more care producer following the rules of the capital market. Sad. Very sad.

     

    Porsche, Piech Families Said to Sell Car Assets to VW (Update2) 

     
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    By Aaron Kirchfeld and Andreas Cremer

    April 23 (Bloomberg) -- The Porsche and Piech families plan to sell their main car assets to Volkswagen AG under a plan that would tighten Porsche SE’s grip on Europe’s biggest automaker, according to two people familiar with the matter.

    The families, which control at least 51 percent of Wolfsburg, Germany-based VW, intend to sell the Austrian Porsche Holding GmbH unit and the Porsche AG automotive division to VW in return for cash and VW shares, said the people, who declined to be identified because the plan is confidential. As part of the transaction, Porsche SE will issue new shares, a portion of which may be sold to external investors, they said. The plan is backed by VW, the people said.

    The asset sale would allow Porsche SE to achieve its aim for greater control of VW, Europe’s largest carmaker, while preserving cash and giving it funds to repay debt, three people familiar with the situation said this month. Porsche, based in Stuttgart, Germany, is struggling to raise the financing needed to reach its goal of obtaining 75 percent of VW, they said.

    “One driving motivation is that Volkswagen, being the largest volume producer in the European space, has tremendous cost efficiency that could be married to Porsche’s discipline and lean production capacity,” Stephen Pope, chief global strategist at Cantor Fitzgerald in London, said by telephone.

    Frank Gaube, a spokesman for Porsche, and Michael Brendel, a VW spokesman, declined to comment.

    Shares Jump

    Porsche jumped 3.08 euros, or 6.3 percent, to 52.09 euros in Frankfurt, a three-month high, giving the company a market value of 9.06 billion euros. Volkswagen dropped 8.29 euros, or 3.5 percent, to 230.20 euros.

    Credit Suisse Group AG analyst Arndt Ellinghorst, who was voted best autos analyst in Europe in the 2008 Thomson Extel survey, said a transaction between Porsche and Volkswagen would be “fundamentally and financially the most suitable solution.”

    A takeover as suggested “would completely capitalize the Porsche holding company and keeping the de facto control of Volkswagen,” said Ellinghorst, who has had an “outperform” recommendation for Porsche since September and has rated VW “underperform” since January 2008, according to Bloomberg data.

    A deal would result in the creation of a major automotive holding company spanning cars, trucks and luxury vehicles, the people said earlier this month.

    The Porsche and Piech families together control half of Porsche SE. Porsche AG is the operating unit that’s the maker of the 911 sports car and competes with Bayerische Motoren Werke AG. Austrian Porsche Holding is Porsche’s eastern European distribution division.

    Largest Supplier

    Porsche has accumulated Volkswagen stock since 2005 to protect ties to its largest supplier. Volkswagen provides Porsche with parts and the companies cooperate in building sport-utility vehicles. Volkswagen Chief Executive Officer Martin Winterkorn said today that he is “confident” that deepening ties with Porsche will let the companies increase profitability and market share.

    “We’re both capable of forming the center of strength in international carmaking,” Winterkorn said at VW’s annual shareholders’ meeting in Hamburg. “This alliance has enormous potential in technological and economic terms.”

    Shrinking European and U.S. car markets have prompted Volkswagen to scale back production, reduce employee hours and eliminate its temporary workforce to stem declines in profit. The carmaker, which reported a 74 percent drop in first-quarter net income yesterday, will be profitable this year, Winterkorn said, reiterating an earlier forecast.

    ‘Gold Mine’

    Porsche Chief Executive Officer Wendelin Wiedeking has said Volkswagen offers a “gold mine” of saving potential that the carmaker can tap to boost profits and that there will be no “sacred cows” at VW.

    Volkswagen and Porsche already work together to build sport-utility vehicles and Porsche has tapped VW to assemble its Panamera four-person sedan. The companies also cooperate on SUVs such as Touareg, Cayenne and Audi’s Q7.

    Volkswagen’s ties to Porsche go back to the company’s creation under the Nazi regime of Adolf Hitler in the 1930s. Ferdinand Porsche, the grandfather of Volkswagen’s current chairman Ferdinand Piech, was the company’s first leader. Ferdinand Piech’s father, Anton Piech, married Porsche’s daughter and became Volkswagen’s director. The extended Porsche- Piech family controls all of the sports-car maker’s voting shares.


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    So if I read this correctly... the two families are actually selling PAG to VW so that Porsche holdings ups their position on VAG. That may mean passing control of PAG to VAG. Not good in my book.


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    Re: Very sad day for all car enthusiasts

    A different perspective here

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/24/business/global/24porsche.html?ref=global

     


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    Re: Very sad day for all car enthusiasts

    ADias:

    So if I read this correctly... the two families are actually selling PAG to VW so that Porsche holdings ups their position on VAG. That may mean passing control of PAG to VAG. Not good in my book.

    Just a rumor, so far.
    Denied by Porsche today, "no comment" from Volkswagen.
     


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    Porsche Automobil Holdings SE is the the holding company of 100% of Porsche AG(the cars) and 50%+ of VW group.

    In the rumoured deal the major shareholders of Porsche SE (the F. Porsche family) could sell Porsche AG to VW which is cash rich and put the cash into Porsche SE which is under huge debt in the current situation, from funds borrowed to finance the VW takeover.

    So VW would buy a fellow subsidiary in the Porsche SE group. VW will not buy its mother company which is Porsche SE.

    That way, Porsche SE would gain cash, but the families who own all the voting shares in the holding company — the Porsches and the Piëchs — would still retain control via the majority stake in Porsche SE, that will continue to be the holding company.

    Conclusion: Porsche (the cars) under VW but Porsche SE (what the layman knows as Porsche family business plus other shareholders of course) over everyone.

    These rumours have been denied but there is no smoke without fire.


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    Re: Very sad day for all car enthusiasts

    Reginos I believe you have summed it precisely. Cash transfers w/o power transfer.


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    Re: Very sad day for all car enthusiasts

    Hope at least the stock will goes up!Smiley


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    www.thetruthaboutcars.com/porsche%E2%80%99s-wiedeking-on-death-row/


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    Re: Very sad day for all car enthusiasts

    This is Porsche Automobile Holdings SE view:

    "Overall, Porsche feels well prepared as regards its product offering. Despite the crisis on the financial markets and the very difficult economic conditions, Porsche SE managed to conclude a new loan in the amount of EUR ten billion at the end of March 2009, which was used to repay the existing loan in the same amount. It has been agreed with the consortium banks that an additional amount of up to EUR 2.5 billion - and therefore the volume that Porsche originally had planned - may be raised from further banks within a specified period on the basis of the loan agreement. The proposed increase of the loan is intended to support the achievement of strategic goals and also to meet future capital requirements.

    Furthermore, Porsche intends to obtain a credit rating from two internationally recognised agencies. The company believes that this will further improve its refinancing possibilities."

    This is the reason they need cash:

    Stuttgart. Porsche Automobil Holding SE, Stuttgart, finalized negotiations to secure a new credit facility of Euro ten billion to redeem a credit of the same size. The credit framework contract allows Porsche to extend the volume to Euro 12.5 billion in the forthcoming weeks. In the wake of the extremely difficult global economic environment and the turbulences in the bond market banks needed additional assessment, thus resulting in a need for extra time. In addition to that, the new consortium includes banks that so far not have been counterparts of Porsche with respect to credit lines.

    The credit line will be guaranteed by a consortium of 15 banks including Barclays Capital, Commerzbank, LBBW, Deutsche Bank, UBS, Credit Suisse, Santander, BayernLB, BNP Paribas, Calyon, UniCredit/HVB, Helaba, Intesa, WestLB und DZ-Bank. Agreed at market conditions are two tranches of twelve month with the right of extending a tranche of Euro 6.7 billion for an additional year. Porsche intends to pay down the smaller tranche fast and aims for credit ratings the results of which should be available in may 2009.


    Re: Very sad day for all car enthusiasts

    Nah don't be too worried, they will just sell them now only for them to buy them back with vw.

    Ie porsche is trying to take over vw, they already own most of vw, so while it may seem like vw's in control of porsche, but porsche is in control over vw, and in the next few years they will own vw 100%.

    Concidering the current economic situation, a wise move, with vw having hundreds of billions, they arnt going to go bust anytime soon.

     


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    Re: Very sad day for all car enthusiasts

    Some more:

    http://www.forbes.com/2009/04/28/volkswagen-porsche-qatar-markets-equity-debt.html?partner=alerts

     


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    Re: Very sad day for all car enthusiasts

    I think this describes it better:

     


     
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