CloseVideo from DR.
Herr Mauer talking to Chris Harris. The designer sounds very dedicated and ever so confident.
http://www.drivers-republic.com/dr_tv/index.cfm?videoid=c2b2a4fee98443acaa53fe1388a871d9&area=videos
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It's not where you're going, it's how you get there that counts
He admits that the appearance of the hideous rear-end is "unusual and different" and says that part of the car is his favorite.
He was defensive about it and should be. He now says it will look good in person when moving.
A better interview would have been "What were you guys thinking?" and "Wasn't their any dissention on the design team?" and also "How come it does not resemble the sketch you released?"
I look forward to seeing this car in reality, to get the impression of how it "feels' in comparison not only to its direct competition, but to the cars "above it" in costs and finish--for example the Ferrari 599GTB. I was in car eye candy land (Monaco) recently, and saw many Ferraris, Lambos, Astons, :Porsches, etc. To me, and I am a great admirer of Porsches, the Ferrari 599GTB is a clear level above any current Porsche offering (and it well should be at its cost) in design and presence. Every time I am in this high culture automobile setting, I find myself wishing Porsche would make a truly elegant and powerful competitor in the ultra high performance luxury market. Priced at a good $100,000 under the Ferrari, I doubt the Panamera will achieve a comparable presence, but perhaps Porsche is on its way to entering this even more exclusive market niche.
Wonderbar:
I look forward to seeing this car in reality, to get the impression of how it "feels' in comparison not only to its direct competition, but to the cars "above it" in costs and finish--for example the Ferrari 599GTB. I was in car eye candy land (Monaco) recently, and saw many Ferraris, Lambos, Astons, :Porsches, etc. To me, and I am a great admirer of Porsches, the Ferrari 599GTB is a clear level above any current Porsche offering (and it well should be at its cost) in design and presence. Every time I am in this high culture automobile setting, I find myself wishing Porsche would make a truly elegant and powerful competitor in the ultra high performance luxury market. Priced at a good $100,000 under the Ferrari, I doubt the Panamera will achieve a comparable presence, but perhaps Porsche is on its way to entering this even more exclusive market niche.
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Wonderbar:
I look forward to seeing this car in reality, to get the impression of how it "feels' in comparison not only to its direct competition, but to the cars "above it" in costs and finish--for example the Ferrari 599GTB. I was in car eye candy land (Monaco) recently, and saw many Ferraris, Lambos, Astons, :Porsches, etc. To me, and I am a great admirer of Porsches, the Ferrari 599GTB is a clear level above any current Porsche offering (and it well should be at its cost) in design and presence. Every time I am in this high culture automobile setting, I find myself wishing Porsche would make a truly elegant and powerful competitor in the ultra high performance luxury market. Priced at a good $100,000 under the Ferrari, I doubt the Panamera will achieve a comparable presence, but perhaps Porsche is on its way to entering this even more exclusive market niche.
Why don´t you get a Ferrai then? Porsche it is different than Ferrari, it allways was and it will allways be!!! It is not and should never ever copy the Ferrari or offer you a cheap Ferrari. And here is the charm of Porsche... smaller and cheaper but as fast or very close to those cars. This is Porsche and why it was called the giant killer. And of course the 599 at what it costs it has to be "above" the Porsche.... but to this I will prefer to get a 997 GT2 and it is very possible that I will be faster many times, than the 599, and it will cost me less in every aspect, will be more economic and reliable to run it.... and I will save so more money on top when purschasing it.. that I see just one winner. If you are about the looks alone is where the Ferrari will win IMO.
Wonderbar:
I look forward to seeing this car in reality, to get the impression of how it "feels' in comparison not only to its direct competition, but to the cars "above it" in costs and finish--for example the Ferrari 599GTB. I was in car eye candy land (Monaco) recently, and saw many Ferraris, Lambos, Astons, :Porsches, etc. To me, and I am a great admirer of Porsches, the Ferrari 599GTB is a clear level above any current Porsche offering (and it well should be at its cost) in design and presence. Every time I am in this high culture automobile setting, I find myself wishing Porsche would make a truly elegant and powerful competitor in the ultra high performance luxury market. Priced at a good $100,000 under the Ferrari, I doubt the Panamera will achieve a comparable presence, but perhaps Porsche is on its way to entering this even more exclusive market niche.
Wonderbar , I have same thoughts and expectations from Panamera . In the right color , it will be outstandingly elegant , as Ferrari 599 GTB - only with 4 seats as a bonus .
If Pana has problems with its rear design, 599 is ugly from every angle, IMO.
And talking about interior, Porsche is miles ahead...
Thanks Ed, good comments. Having owned both Ferraris ( a Daytona for example) and many Porsches, I understand the different philosophies and products of each company. In the past, I would have ureservedly agreed that a Porsche will always be a Porsche and a Ferrari a Ferrari.
But with the Panamera--along with Porsche's product expansionist philosophy and financial success--I think Porsche is moving very close to the 599 segment. And this does not mean that "Porscheness" will be lost. Porsche could well produce a Panamera Turbo S, with many luxury appointments and special bodywork as standard, that could cost well over $200,000 and be within range of the 599, Scaglietti, or Mercedes AMG CLS 65 twelve cylinder turbo. It would retain its "Porscheness" with its turbocharged powerplant, clean design elements, unexcelled handling, and race-bred technology.
If I were Ferrari or Maserati, I would be on the alert. Then Porsche would be offering sport cars throughout virtually every market segment. My guess is that sort of reach is top level management's dream about to come true...
Well, I wouldn't expect Herr Mauer to come out and say he laid an egg with the rear design. I read his enthusiasm the same as when an actor is on TV promoting a movie, the writer is a genius, the director brilliant, it's my best work, blah, blah, blah... it's all about selling it. I hope I change my mind when I see it in person, but right now the back of the Panamera is Deuce Bigelow European Gigolo to me.
The rear sucks from the side, they know it. It's fat and ugly. But from the direct rear and 3/4 it isn't too bad... Weird thing is as a wagon it'll look great from the side and probably like a Volvo from the rear :)
Honestly i don't really think it's awful. My wife wants one so what the hell? :) I do wish that the engine bay cooling slat they put on the sides was aligned with the leading edge of the door (and thus more up-right).
Wow they really did pinch the hood off the 456. I complained about this part before... the hood has this T... the lower part of the T is where the Porsche badge is and the "top" of the T goes left and right as it rises up to the front at the passenger and driver. There's not another Porsche car I could find with such a design element. Likewise with that forward leaning side-door heat-exhaust element. It's the 456's just writ-large. If they'd have drawn it down the door ala the GT it'd be more meaningful. But guess design was more important there than airflow volume. Likely the same story on the hood. Too bad there's nothing else on the car to match the same lines (the rest is all curvy 911'esque "DNA")? IMHO and all that.
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