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Re: Ferrari F450 out in October
Not yet. I got a couple of low ball offers and ignored them. I just may take the car back.
The Porsche Turbo is growing on me especially if they fix the PDK. The tail in the back is tolerable and the car is reasonably priced. Definitely a serious contender should I decide to get back into the performance sport car market. I have had years of them and right now do not have a strong desire to tool around in one.
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Re: Ferrari F450 out in October
Heist:
Should Ferrari get this one wrong, I foresee a lot of people going over to the 911 Turbo camp or even the R8 V10 ...
+1 again.
Especially R8 V10 is indeed very tempting. And I wonder how Ferrari wants to justify the massive price difference... 
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Re: Ferrari F450 out in October
Stefan, excellent point! Most of us have become more value conscious and Ferrari really needs to up its game if it is going to retain its clientele. Though the Scud is an excellent car, it also may be an indicator of what is to come if the 450 isn't priced right. With the very limited production Scud priced around $300,000 and most dealers having difficulty selling them at MSRP, where will the more mass produced 450 fit in especially if its performance numbers are close to or the same as the Scud?
I also believe the California GT has set the company back brand wise. Though the cheaper model was introduced last fall, none have been delivered in the US. By the time they are the hot topic will be the release of the 450 and the CA GT will be old news.
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Re: Ferrari F450 out in October
nberry:
I also believe the California GT has set the company back brand wise. Though the cheaper model was introduced last fall, none have been delivered in the US. By the time they are the hot topic will be the release of the 450 and the CA GT will be old news.
Absolutely right, Nick. I think Ferrari should price the new midengined V8 not too far away from the California (just as in case of 599 and 612, there is a price difference of less than 20k Euro). So you could decide between a powerful V8-GT with the latest folding-roof-techology or an even more powerful V8-sportscar with a fixed roof (Spider customers will have to pay extra charge of course).
But a midengined V8 for the price of a Lamborghini Murciélago not very long ago?
Are they joking? 
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Re: Ferrari F450 out in October
Frank46:
According to Swiss dealer the new car is non-turbo, 580 hp. Design like small Enzo! Car will be launched in March/April 2010 to give way to US introduction of California in August/september 2009. Best looking modern Ferrari ever! (at least according to him).
Also coming: 599 Scuderia (!) hence the 599 XX as a warm-up
I have info no scuderia version for 599.Instead there will be a 599 with folding roof like 575 Superamerica
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Re: Ferrari F450 out in October
The view of Laborghini about DCT transmissions:
"Reggiani is resisting pressure from a number of areas to introduce a DSG double-clutch transmission and says manual ’boxes could also be dropped.
He argues that Lambo's current e-gear transmission (which is a conventional six-speed manual gearbox with an electro-mechanical shift mechanism) offers "the best combination of weight saving and mechanical interaction".
Reggiani regards the typical DSG transmission as "too smooth" and lacking in the "sense of occasion and drama" that a Lamborghini owner wants. However, he says the next iteration of e-gear"
Source: http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/238871/
That's why I hope Ferrari won't use DCT on their hard core models.
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Re: Ferrari F450 out in October
nberry:
Stefan, excellent point! Most of us have become more value conscious and Ferrari really needs to up its game if it is going to retain its clientele. Though the Scud is an excellent car, it also may be an indicator of what is to come if the 450 isn't priced right. With the very limited production Scud priced around $300,000 and most dealers having difficulty selling them at MSRP, where will the more mass produced 450 fit in especially if its performance numbers are close to or the same as the Scud?
I also believe the California GT has set the company back brand wise. Though the cheaper model was introduced last fall, none have been delivered in the US. By the time they are the hot topic will be the release of the 450 and the CA GT will be old news.
Good points. I can see the California becoming the new Continental GT. Ferrari exclusivity and resale value will be impacted heavily when the California and F450 co-exist along side each other. As consumers will hop betweeen the two, every Ferrari dealer will have doubled or tripled number of cars sitting on the showroom floors. Especally now when the segment is getting severely saturated with the introduction of the SLC, R8 V10 and others to come to like BMW Z10.
Re: Ferrari F450 out in October
With a simple switch to Motec M800 ECU + Anti-Lag option, the job is done, but there will be bang bang noise 
These guys are running a bigger turbo than mine on 3.4L / Inline-6 engine,
Imagine the F40 with its V8 and Twin stock turbos how the response would be with zero lag
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Re: Ferrari F450 out in October
Swiss dealer told me; definitely no 599 with folding roof. They do not want to cannibalize California sales. Instead they want to give 12 cylinder models more of a sporty image.
A replacement of the 612 is also in the pipeline.
Regarding price positioning of new 450: car will be priced at current 430 Scuderia level.
Re: Ferrari F450 out in October
Frank46:
Swiss dealer told me; definitely no 599 with folding roof. They do not want to cannibalize California sales. Instead they want to give 12 cylinder models more of a sporty image.
A replacement of the 612 is also in the pipeline.
Regarding price positioning of new 450: car will be priced at current 430 Scuderia level.
we will see :)
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Re: Ferrari F450 out in October
SciFrog:
Frank46:
A replacement of the 612 is also in the pipeline.
They must be putting the 599 engine in. That would be awsome albeit price will be stratospheric.
I think that's the next logical step. Not the stratospheric price, but the 599 engine. 
Well, maybe the stratospheric price is the next logical step as well. 
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Re: Ferrari F450 out in October
I also was told there will be a replacement or upgrading of the 612. I was dumfounded to hear it considering the car has been a market failure.
If ferrari had any financial sense they would severely restrict their front engine car production and focus on doubling the production of the mid-engine models coupe and Spider versions. Price them around $225,000and $250,000.
Front engine Ferrari's initially make a big splash and then sink all the way to the bottom.
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Re: Ferrari F450 out in October
nberry:
Front engine Ferrari's initially make a big splash and then sink all the way to the bottom.
That's been the way of all recent V8 Ferraris
when you use market prices and not the scam prices. Last summer, you couldn't buy a 430 spider for less than $300k. They now trade $150... I lost less proportionally on my 612.
Re: Ferrari F450 out in October
KresoF1:
Rossi:
There's also a thread about gearbox failure after only 700km at Fchat.
...and I know personally about case were Scud Superfast died after 2800km. That person was(unfortunately) huge Ferrari fan and he waited until gearbox was replaced and sold the car(and lost some money).
BTW, even R8 is not without problems. I have my own issues... NO R8 V10 for me after recent experience...
Hi Kreso 
This is fresh news; what happened with your R8? Just curious 
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