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nberry said:
I have no idea whether people drove Porsche's to work 20 years ago but if you have not noticed times have changed. More traffic, higher fuel costs, safety and more powerful high performance engines.
It would be like taking a 997 to a put-put track. A total waste of resources and fuel.

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nberry said:
BTW, regarding the 996 outselling the the 997 I meant as of March 15th 2009 at 2:30;32 seconds pm Pacific time and cars sold to the universe public (including Martians) and not dealers.

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C4S Co-Driver said:
Honestly, people need to get over HP figures and 0-60 times. I'm not sure about the rest of you but I do more than race from 0-60 and brag about how much HP my car has.
I would say that 60-120+ is way more applicable as most races I've encountered happen on the freeway. Plus I plan on spending a good portion of the driving my car above 60mph.

The new Turbo is going to be more than fast enough for just about everyone on this forum. If you go the NBR and set a new lap time equal to or below what the Porsche test drivers and magazines get, then you can complain. But until you prove that you can handle ONLY 473hp and 500+ lb-ft of torque, grow up and stop complaining.

How many people actually track their cars? I ask this because there are not too many public roads in the entire US where you're going to be able to safely exploit the full potential of this car. So why do you need more power? To brag to your friends? It sounds like you need a Ferrari or Lamborghini then.

Also you need to keep in mind that the Turbo is NOT the top performance Porsche. If you want insane performance go buy a GT2 or GT3. The Turbo is supposed to do everything well, including taking you to work everyday and run errands. I don't see many GT2s or GT3s doing that.

Honestly, do some of you have serious self esteem issues? No one is going to laugh at you in your new Turbo with only 475HP. Ferraris and Lambos wont' be able to touch you and you're going to be basically tied with a Z06. Go out and buy a Pagani Zonda if you really need more performance.

Most importantly, complaining about needing more HP in a car that you haven't driven is just stupid.

P.S. The Ford GT has 550hp, not 600hp.

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twinturbo001 said:

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C4S Co-Driver said:
Honestly, people need to get over HP figures and 0-60 times. I'm not sure about the rest of you but I do more than race from 0-60 and brag about how much HP my car has.
I would say that 60-120+ is way more applicable as most races I've encountered happen on the freeway. Plus I plan on spending a good portion of the driving my car above 60mph.

The new Turbo is going to be more than fast enough for just about everyone on this forum. If you go the NBR and set a new lap time equal to or below what the Porsche test drivers and magazines get, then you can complain. But until you prove that you can handle ONLY 473hp and 500+ lb-ft of torque, grow up and stop complaining.

How many people actually track their cars? I ask this because there are not too many public roads in the entire US where you're going to be able to safely exploit the full potential of this car. So why do you need more power? To brag to your friends? It sounds like you need a Ferrari or Lamborghini then.

Also you need to keep in mind that the Turbo is NOT the top performance Porsche. If you want insane performance go buy a GT2 or GT3. The Turbo is supposed to do everything well, including taking you to work everyday and run errands. I don't see many GT2s or GT3s doing that.

Honestly, do some of you have serious self esteem issues? No one is going to laugh at you in your new Turbo with only 475HP. Ferraris and Lambos wont' be able to touch you and you're going to be basically tied with a Z06. Go out and buy a Pagani Zonda if you really need more performance.

Most importantly, complaining about needing more HP in a car that you haven't driven is just stupid.

P.S. The Ford GT has 550hp, not 600hp.

First of all the Ford GT does have 600 HP not the 550 advertised by Ford. I know this because I have contemplated the purchase of one for a few months now. I believe it was Motor Trend that dynoed one and it was 600 HP. Also some of the GT Forum members have dynoed there cars and the number is 600. I have driven the GT and it is a Stellar Performer,Doubtful the new TT will be able to stay with it. I am going to have to wait until Porsche comes with the "S" or "X50" package because I want the 500+ HP, Thats just me you may be happy with 475HP or less, I will not. I have owned plenty of Exotics and I think at this stage of game the realized HP figures are important to sports car buyers.
I don't have any self esteem issues I just know what I want.
I guess we will wait and see how the new TT compares to its competition and if it out performs everyone then thats great. My guess is it won't outperform the Z06 which costs half as much.

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twinturbo001 said:

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C4S Co-Driver said:
Honestly, people need to get over HP figures and 0-60 times. I'm not sure about the rest of you but I do more than race from 0-60 and brag about how much HP my car has.
I would say that 60-120+ is way more applicable as most races I've encountered happen on the freeway. Plus I plan on spending a good portion of the driving my car above 60mph.

The new Turbo is going to be more than fast enough for just about everyone on this forum. If you go the NBR and set a new lap time equal to or below what the Porsche test drivers and magazines get, then you can complain. But until you prove that you can handle ONLY 473hp and 500+ lb-ft of torque, grow up and stop complaining.

How many people actually track their cars? I ask this because there are not too many public roads in the entire US where you're going to be able to safely exploit the full potential of this car. So why do you need more power? To brag to your friends? It sounds like you need a Ferrari or Lamborghini then.

Also you need to keep in mind that the Turbo is NOT the top performance Porsche. If you want insane performance go buy a GT2 or GT3. The Turbo is supposed to do everything well, including taking you to work everyday and run errands. I don't see many GT2s or GT3s doing that.

Honestly, do some of you have serious self esteem issues? No one is going to laugh at you in your new Turbo with only 475HP. Ferraris and Lambos wont' be able to touch you and you're going to be basically tied with a Z06. Go out and buy a Pagani Zonda if you really need more performance.

Most importantly, complaining about needing more HP in a car that you haven't driven is just stupid.

P.S. The Ford GT has 550hp, not 600hp.

First of all the Ford GT does have 600 HP not the 550 advertised by Ford. I know this because I have contemplated the purchase of one for a few months now. I believe it was Motor Trend that dynoed one and it was 600 HP. Also some of the GT Forum members have dynoed there cars and the number is 600. I have driven the GT and it is a Stellar Performer,Doubtful the new TT will be able to stay with it. I am going to have to wait until Porsche comes with the "S" or "X50" package because I want the 500+ HP, Thats just me you may be happy with 475HP or less, I will not. I have owned plenty of Exotics and I think at this stage of game the realized HP figures are important to sports car buyers.
I don't have any self esteem issues I just know what I want.
I guess we will wait and see how the new TT compares to its competition and if it out performs everyone then thats great. My guess is it won't outperform the Z06 which costs half as much.

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twinturbo001 said:

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C4S Co-Driver said:
Honestly, people need to get over HP figures and 0-60 times. I'm not sure about the rest of you but I do more than race from 0-60 and brag about how much HP my car has.
I would say that 60-120+ is way more applicable as most races I've encountered happen on the freeway. Plus I plan on spending a good portion of the driving my car above 60mph.

The new Turbo is going to be more than fast enough for just about everyone on this forum. If you go the NBR and set a new lap time equal to or below what the Porsche test drivers and magazines get, then you can complain. But until you prove that you can handle ONLY 473hp and 500+ lb-ft of torque, grow up and stop complaining.

How many people actually track their cars? I ask this because there are not too many public roads in the entire US where you're going to be able to safely exploit the full potential of this car. So why do you need more power? To brag to your friends? It sounds like you need a Ferrari or Lamborghini then.

Also you need to keep in mind that the Turbo is NOT the top performance Porsche. If you want insane performance go buy a GT2 or GT3. The Turbo is supposed to do everything well, including taking you to work everyday and run errands. I don't see many GT2s or GT3s doing that.

Honestly, do some of you have serious self esteem issues? No one is going to laugh at you in your new Turbo with only 475HP. Ferraris and Lambos wont' be able to touch you and you're going to be basically tied with a Z06. Go out and buy a Pagani Zonda if you really need more performance.

Most importantly, complaining about needing more HP in a car that you haven't driven is just stupid.

P.S. The Ford GT has 550hp, not 600hp.

First of all the Ford GT does have 600 HP not the 550 advertised by Ford. I know this because I have contemplated the purchase of one for a few months now. I believe it was Motor Trend that dynoed one and it was 600 HP. Also some of the GT Forum members have dynoed there cars and the number is 600. I have driven the GT and it is a Stellar Performer,Doubtful the new TT will be able to stay with it. I am going to have to wait until Porsche comes with the "S" or "X50" package because I want the 500+ HP, Thats just me you may be happy with 475HP or less, I will not. I have owned plenty of Exotics and I think at this stage of game the realized HP figures are important to sports car buyers.
I don't have any self esteem issues I just know what I want.
I guess we will wait and see how the new TT compares to its competition and if it out performs everyone then thats great. My guess is it won't outperform the Z06 which costs half as much.

Well, I would like to thank you for the information about the Ford GT. I didn't know that it was underrated.

Look, horsepower is important. But you're overvaluing it. Horsepower does not make a car great. Saying things like, "I want the 500+ HP, Thats just me you may be happy with 475HP or less, I will not", is childish at best. I seriously doubt you will be able to tell the difference between 475hp and 500hp. It's a 5% difference in hp. I'm pretty sure you just want to say that you're car has 500+hp and show off the Turbo S badge. I'm not going to stop you from buying a Turbo S. Do whatever you want. I just beg of you to stop measuring a cars performance by HP. It makes you look like you have no idea what you're talking about.

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twinturbo001 said:

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C4S Co-Driver said:

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twinturbo001 said:

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C4S Co-Driver said:
Honestly, people need to get over HP figures and 0-60 times. I'm not sure about the rest of you but I do more than race from 0-60 and brag about how much HP my car has.
I would say that 60-120+ is way more applicable as most races I've encountered happen on the freeway. Plus I plan on spending a good portion of the driving my car above 60mph.

The new Turbo is going to be more than fast enough for just about everyone on this forum. If you go the NBR and set a new lap time equal to or below what the Porsche test drivers and magazines get, then you can complain. But until you prove that you can handle ONLY 473hp and 500+ lb-ft of torque, grow up and stop complaining.

How many people actually track their cars? I ask this because there are not too many public roads in the entire US where you're going to be able to safely exploit the full potential of this car. So why do you need more power? To brag to your friends? It sounds like you need a Ferrari or Lamborghini then.

Also you need to keep in mind that the Turbo is NOT the top performance Porsche. If you want insane performance go buy a GT2 or GT3. The Turbo is supposed to do everything well, including taking you to work everyday and run errands. I don't see many GT2s or GT3s doing that.

Honestly, do some of you have serious self esteem issues? No one is going to laugh at you in your new Turbo with only 475HP. Ferraris and Lambos wont' be able to touch you and you're going to be basically tied with a Z06. Go out and buy a Pagani Zonda if you really need more performance.

Most importantly, complaining about needing more HP in a car that you haven't driven is just stupid.

P.S. The Ford GT has 550hp, not 600hp.

First of all the Ford GT does have 600 HP not the 550 advertised by Ford. I know this because I have contemplated the purchase of one for a few months now. I believe it was Motor Trend that dynoed one and it was 600 HP. Also some of the GT Forum members have dynoed there cars and the number is 600. I have driven the GT and it is a Stellar Performer,Doubtful the new TT will be able to stay with it. I am going to have to wait until Porsche comes with the "S" or "X50" package because I want the 500+ HP, Thats just me you may be happy with 475HP or less, I will not. I have owned plenty of Exotics and I think at this stage of game the realized HP figures are important to sports car buyers.
I don't have any self esteem issues I just know what I want.
I guess we will wait and see how the new TT compares to its competition and if it out performs everyone then thats great. My guess is it won't outperform the Z06 which costs half as much.

Well, I would like to thank you for the information about the Ford GT. I didn't know that it was underrated.

Look, horsepower is important. But you're overvaluing it. Horsepower does not make a car great. Saying things like, "I want the 500+ HP, Thats just me you may be happy with 475HP or less, I will not", is childish at best. I seriously doubt you will be able to tell the difference between 475hp and 500hp. It's a 5% difference in hp. I'm pretty sure you just want to say that you're car has 500+hp and show off the Turbo S badge. I'm not going to stop you from buying a Turbo S. Do whatever you want. I just beg of you to stop measuring a cars performance by HP. It makes you look like you have no idea what you're talking about.

Actually I'm Dead on with the HP thing. Let me educate you about performance, it comes down to Power to Weight in most instances when your talking about straightline performance. I have vast knowledge in this area and have spent countless thousands of dollars on HP. The New TT weighs 300 pounds more than the Z06 with less HP, so unless theres some magic potion in the TT I'm not aware of the TT will be beaten by the Z06 in the Quarter mile. Many forum members here don't care about straightline performance but I do and 500 HP not only sounds better it will propel the TT faster down the road. Now theres also a thing called Torque which plays a major factor as well.
Hopefully the Engineering will overcome the Power to weight ratio.

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Can you imagine how some Porschepile's ego is going to get deflated when a Z06 zooms right by him from 60-120mph on the freewway?

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TX 911 said:

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Can you imagine how some Porschepile's ego is going to get deflated when a Z06 zooms right by him from 60-120mph on the freewway?

LOL...I find the thought that a Corvette blowing by me while I'm sitting in my 911 Turbo would be a blow to my ego extreeeemely comical.

OTOH, I think if I owned a Corvette, just looking at a 911 Turbo might do the trick

To each his own. I think we all know that any of us buying a 911 Turbo could have a Z06 if we wanted...we just don't.

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vinnie said:
This reminds me of the comments people made about the Ferrari supercars after the Mclaren F1, everyone said that Ferrari should be able to make a car faster and more powerful than the F1. The point is that Ferrari, Porsche and Lamborghini do not need to make the most powerful or the fastest cars in a straight line, they sell very well regardless.

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RC said:
Porsche sells a COMPLETE package, they sell cars which are suitable for driving on the track, driving to the restaurant at night with your loved one and even driving skiing to the mountains. Not to forget about the rear seats for two kids or additional luggage (two large Samsonites fit in there very well).

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twinturbo001 said:
I think the new TT should have at least 550 HP Minimun. I don't think 480 HP is going to get it. The new Z06 has 535 HP not the 505 advertised. the Ford GT has 600 HP. I sold my 03 TT a year ago and I have my name in for a new 997 TT when available. I really like the TT and I want to buy the new one but it better be Quicker and Faster than the Z06 or Porsche has serious problems. Personally anything under 500 HP from the start is a mistake. I think the TT is one of the best engineered cars on the road and I loved my 03 TT, But I'm not going to be happy unless this new TT kicks ass. I am not bashing the new TT I will own one but hopefully with a X50 Package having 550 HP. The new ferrari GTB will have 620 HP. I dont want to be negative, I'm just not sure of the reasoning.