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twinturbo001 said:
I think the new TT should have at least 550 HP Minimun. I don't think 480 HP is going to get it. The new Z06 has 535 HP not the 505 advertised. the Ford GT has 600 HP. I sold my 03 TT a year ago and I have my name in for a new 997 TT when available. I really like the TT and I want to buy the new one but it better be Quicker and Faster than the Z06 or Porsche has serious problems. Personally anything under 500 HP from the start is a mistake. I think the TT is one of the best engineered cars on the road and I loved my 03 TT, But I'm not going to be happy unless this new TT kicks ass. I am not bashing the new TT I will own one but hopefully with a X50 Package having 550 HP. The new ferrari GTB will have 620 HP. I dont want to be negative, I'm just not sure of the reasoning.
Oh boy, I would love to name this theard "PEOPLE NEED MORE BRAINS" but I'm afraid this wouldn't help much.
OK, I try to make my point in the broken english I'm speaking (writing):
1. I would love the 997 Turbo to have 1000 HP or why not 2000, so we never have to worry again about power?
2. the car isn't even on the market yet and people make comparisons, cancel orders, love it, hate it, etc. Funny...like chasing a ghost.
3. the 997 Turbo is indeed Porsche's TOP model BUT only as a basis for other cars. There will be a powerkit available, there will be a 997 Turbo
S available and there will be, very likely, a GT2 available and maybe even a supersportscar based on he 997 Turbo called GT1.
4. the Ford GT has just been reviewed in SPORT AUTO on the Nordschleife and in Hockenheim, the results are not impressive for such a powerful car, sorry.
5. the Corvette Z06 has NOT been tested by SPORT AUTO yet, I also haven't seen ANY RELIABLE or OFFICIAL track time for the Z06, so all this gossip and these rumors floating around the internet are a bag full of crap if you ask me.
Now based on the five points I made, WHY should Porsche put 550 HP in the 997 Turbo if 480 HP (473 HP US?) are apparently enough to keep the competition under "control"? ONLY in the US, the Z06 may be considered a serious competitor, in Europe and the rest of the world, the Corvette is more of an outsider with that "old" reputation which will be difficult to get rid of, Germans and Europeans know what I'm talking about.
Porsche wants to earn money, this has to be clear. They don't have anything to give away for free. So earning more cash with a powerkit, the Turbo S, the GT2 and so on is Porsche tradition. You want the fastest available Porsche? Wait for the GT2 or get the rumored GT1. Too expensive? Bad luck.
And finally, I have my personal experience with people who are driving high power cars and demand more and more power. Half of them are little kids waiting for red light races. But when it comes to serious racing with lots of nasty twists and turns, they start to whine or pee in the pants like we say here. Litte kids like I said. Then, there are those who just want to have more power in their cars to be able to say "look, I have 900 HP under the hood, kiss my a..". Then, there are those who think they are good drivers and have everything under control but blowing away some low power BMWs, Mercedes and don't know what on the track doesn't mean they're good drivers, this means that they have more power under the hood and in the case of the 911 Turbo more traction. And finally, there are those who really know how to drive these babies at the limit and usually don't complaint too much about power but other little things like chassis setups, tires, etc. And if they demand more power, it usually is in the 30-40 HP range to make the whole experience perfect. And of course there are drivers who know their limits and capabilitie and are happy that they're able to own and move one of the finest sportscars around. I know that I'm using a lot of stereotypes but a thread like "997 TT NEEDS MORE POWER" or "I NEED TO EARN MORE MONEY" or "MY GOVERNMENT SUCKS" or "THE SKY ISN'T BLUE ENOUGH" demands the usage of stereotypes.
Guys, just relax: if you don't want to get a Turbo now (and I bet a lot of people won't get one now even if they want or have the money), don't get it and wait. Or get something else, get a facelifted Murcielago with 620 HP, I heard that this car will be a blast. Or wait for the F430 Challenge Stradale, it should be a very nice product too. But please stop bragging about the 997 Turbo, a car which isn't even on the market yet.
And as a last point: the Nuerburgring Nordschleife track time for the 997 Turbo is rumored around 7:50 or even a second or two below. The Ford GT did 7:54 on the Nordschleife as far as I remember. Do I need to say more?
If you're looking for a car to win red light races or to win the hearts of some drunken fellows with impressive sounding HP power figures at the next bar, the 997 Turbo is definetely the wrong car for you. If you're looking for a WHOLE PACKAGE, a technically very refined one, the 997 Turbo may be what you're looking for.
And a last word: I'm not THAT MUCH a Porsche addict that I don't understand the demand for more power. Like I said before, I would love to see more power in the 997 Turbo too. But before we start to make the 997 Turbo look bad, we should wait until we see the first reviews. Trust me if I tell you that I'm going to be the FIRST one to criticize Porsche and the 997 Turbo if the car isn't up to the expectations I had and still have about this car.
But I'm realistic and I know that Porsche wants to make money with the powerkit, the Turbo S and so on. IF the 997 Turbo has a similar performance (straight line) like the 996 GT2 MkII, I'll be a happy owner. IF the 997 Turbo does 7:50 or even less on the Nordschleife and 1:12 or even less on the Kleiner Ring Hockenheim, I'll be a happy owner. Everything BETTER than these expectations isn't realistic. So if you're a person with both feet on the ground, you shouldn't expect more from the 997 Turbo. And if not...well, like I said before, bad luck.
on a Turbo S with rougly 5% more power, you will hardly notice the difference.
