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    Jan 11, 2006 12:18:57 PM

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    997s exhaust problem, recall!!!

    FRANKFURT, Germany (AP) -- Luxury car maker Porsche AG said Wednesday it is recalling more than 18,600 of its 911 series to replace the exhaust pipe.
    The Stuttgart-based company said in a statement that the 18,627 cars being recalled part of the 911 Carrera S and 911 Carrera 4S lines and were produced between April 2004 and October 2005.

    Porsche said the welding seams on the exhaust pipe could weaken, causing it to ultimately fall off. The company said there were about 30 known cases of that happening, but that there were no injuries reported.

    Jan 11, 2006 12:49:40 PM

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    Re: 997s exhaust problem, recall!!!

    Good time to step up to PSE perhaps? Maybe a deal could be struck with the dealer - that would be nice!!

    Jan 11, 2006 1:07:19 PM

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    Re: 997s exhaust problem, recall!!!

    Good plan John, now i hope my one is recalled too

    Jan 11, 2006 2:38:02 PM

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    Re: 997s exhaust problem, recall!!!

    Yeh, it looks like a PSE upgrade may well be in order. BTW, I have been told that if you keep the same exhaust pipes then it costs less to install.

    http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArti...HE-CARRERAS.xml

    Jan 11, 2006 2:47:18 PM

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    Re: 997s exhaust problem, recall!!!

    Involves "loss of the tailpipe," BFD. When it happens I'll get it fixed, or at next required service, whichever occurs first.

    Gimme something BIG to worry about, like a cracked crankshaft problem which can disable the braking system and the door locking system while causing a fire in the cabin.

    Jan 11, 2006 3:13:39 PM

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    Re: 997s exhaust problem, recall!!!

    Hmmm.... My car has been sounding "wierder" when I start it up in the morning for the last few months. Cleans up when it warms up, but it's really been sounding more raggedy than normal when the exhaust is in cold-start mode. Wonder if that's indicative of the problem...

    Jan 11, 2006 3:19:43 PM

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    Re: 997s exhaust problem, recall!!!

    My amateur guess is this is the weld they'd be talking about (red arrow) if they do mean the JUST tailpipe will fall off. This weld is under stress and could crack from the clamping action required to attach the quad or oval to the end of the exhaust pipe (just a guess). That could cause failure, SS is tricky to weld correctly.

    Any other bad welds would be baaaad news for Porsche since the next bolt-on point allowing replacement of a cracked weld is half way up the system.

    Jan 11, 2006 3:25:41 PM

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    "the defective welding joints can lead to the loss of the tail pipe."

    Paraphrase from the Porsche Press release (?) was in Reuters report. So it seems the weld at red arrow is what they're talking about. It's a "tailpipe" not an exhaust pipe.

    Jan 11, 2006 3:38:30 PM

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    Here ya go:

    ( DJ ) 01/11 10:05AM PRESS RELEASE: Porsche Recalls Selected 911 Carrera S and Carrera 4S Models for Exhaust Pipe Tip Replacement
    ATLANTA, Jan. 11 /PRNewswire/ -- Porsche today announced a recall of certain
    Porsche 911 Carrera S and 911 Carrera 4S sports cars for potentially defective
    exhaust pipe tips. The recall involves those cars built between April 20,
    2004, and October 21, 2005, 5,385 of which were sold in the United States and
    Canada.

    On these cars, it has been discovered that the exhaust pipe tips fitted to
    the tailpipes might have inadequate welding seams between the fastening clamp
    and the tailpipe itself. Should these welding seams fail, the tips can vibrate
    lose from the tailpipe and fall off. To date, approximately 30 instances of
    this occurrence have been reported worldwide.

    Jan 11, 2006 3:49:05 PM

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    Re: 997s exhaust problem, recall!!!

    Oh, well that's not my noise problem, if it's a problem at all...

    Jan 11, 2006 4:40:48 PM

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    Re: 997s exhaust problem, recall!!!

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    Involves "loss of the tailpipe," BFD. When it happens I'll get it fixed, or at next required service, whichever occurs first.

    Gimme something BIG to worry about, like a cracked crankshaft problem which can disable the braking system and the door locking system while causing a fire in the cabin.



    Porsche is not concerned that you or your car will be injured or damaged. They are concerned that the car(s) behind you will be damaged or the driver/passenger injured if your exhaust tip falls off.

    Jan 11, 2006 4:45:59 PM

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    Involves "loss of the tailpipe," BFD. When it happens I'll get it fixed, or at next required service, whichever occurs first.

    Gimme something BIG to worry about, like a cracked crankshaft problem which can disable the braking system and the door locking system while causing a fire in the cabin.



    Porsche is not concerned that you or your car will be injured or damaged. They are concerned that the car(s) behind you will be damaged or the driver/passenger injured if your exhaust tip falls off.



    Yeah, I know. Now I have a moral obligation to prevent injuries and stop lawsuits for Porsche.

    Jan 12, 2006 2:29:41 AM

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    MMD said: The recall involves those cars built between April 20,2004, and October 21, 2005, 5,385 of which were sold in the United States and Canada.



    Howcome only those shipped to the US and Canada are affected? Howabout those sold in Europe or Asia? Don't they use the same parts?

    Jan 12, 2006 3:43:33 PM

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    Yeah, I know. Now I have a moral obligation to prevent injuries and stop lawsuits for Porsche.


    Actually, since YOU NOW know of the problem, and if YOUR falling tailpipe does damage someone else, YOU might be jointly liable with Porsche if you fail to have your weld fixed reasonably soon.

    Jan 13, 2006 2:15:10 AM

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    It is already disappointing to have a twin pipe exhaust dressing up like a "quad" pipe exhaust. Now the quad look tip may also fall off. What is going on? This surely is not impressive at all.

    Jan 13, 2006 3:24:51 AM

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    then go for PSE... real quad pipes + no issues with tips falling off (so far).

    Jan 13, 2006 3:39:53 PM

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    Try this suggested test

    Grab the tip and try to break it off by hand (no wrenches, or pliers or cheaterbars).

    I guarentee if it is about to break off you'll know it. If it feels solid, you still have time to make an apt at your convenience.

    IOW, the way inferior welds work (especially on stainless steel) is roughly like inducing metal fatigue on a coat hanger. The coathanger fine for a long time during bending but all of a sudden loses strength and breaks.

    If you use only hand strength you'll know if it's already cracked or you'll know you cracked it with your hand.

    Just a guess on my part, I haven't closely inspected the weld nor guage of the SS, but it seeems about right.

    Jan 13, 2006 3:54:51 PM

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    NMD does have a good point, grab the tips and give it a good jolt and you can tell if the weld is flimsy or not. Afterall you need a real crummy weld and massive vibration for the tips to fall off. The welding process has to performed at the right temperature and cooled off appropriately otherwise the fusion will not be successfully done. Structural cracks of this nature usually appear almost immediately after the welding process is complete. They may have recalled so many cars just to be on the safe side but I bet you many will not even need the repair but Porsche will do it to be on the safe side. It's embarrasing that Porsche has failed with such a simple task

    Jan 13, 2006 4:05:12 PM

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    Re: 997s exhaust problem, recall!!!

    I am assuming this applies to the standard S exhaust tips and not the optional chrome versions?????

    Phil

    Jan 14, 2006 5:00:15 PM

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    Re: 997s exhaust problem, recall!!!

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    MMD said: The recall involves those cars built between April 20,2004, and October 21, 2005, 5,385 of which were sold in the United States and Canada.



    Howcome only those shipped to the US and Canada are affected? Howabout those sold in Europe or Asia? Don't they use the same parts?



    There is over 18,000 affected in total, guess the balance are in Eyrope/Asia

    Jan 14, 2006 5:58:14 PM

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    Quote:
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    MMD said: The recall involves those cars built between April 20,2004, and October 21, 2005, 5,385 of which were sold in the United States and Canada.



    Howcome only those shipped to the US and Canada are affected? Howabout those sold in Europe or Asia? Don't they use the same parts?



    There is over 18,000 affected in total, guess the balance are in Eyrope/Asia



    If Porsche is smart when they outsource they get the same part from a number of mfgrs/suppliers. These might employ different equipment and techniques. So, other than some of the tailpipes are cracking at the welds, you really don't know what else is going on without knowing suppliers details. I'm just guessing

    Jan 15, 2006 1:12:17 PM

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    My October 2005 C2S is not affected my Porsche Centre told me?????

    Jan 15, 2006 2:03:42 PM

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    Re: 997s exhaust problem, recall!!!

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    If Porsche is smart when they outsource they get the same part from a number of mfgrs/suppliers. These might employ different equipment and techniques.



    This wouldn't be as smart as it might seem at first sight.

    It would involve multiplying tooling costs, development and testing costs, and logistic costs to coordinate supplies from the various sources. The more "processes" you have, the more things can go wrong. Much easier, cheaper, more reliable to try to get it right first time than to compound potential problems in that way.

    One of the facts of life is that "stuff happens".

    Jan 23, 2006 3:59:03 PM

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    Re: 997s exhaust problem, recall!!!

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    I am assuming this applies to the standard S exhaust tips and not the optional chrome versions?????

    Phil



    My local OPC performed the exhaust recall on my 997S today. My car HAS the optional chrome exhausts so it obviously affects them too.

    I haven't picked the car up yet but I think they may have actually given me all new chrome tips from what the service engineer was telling me!

    Result!!

    Jan 23, 2006 4:16:11 PM

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    Re: 997s exhaust problem, recall!!!

    I have an 06 and I bought in October of 05. The dealer is telling me so many of them are not affected and will not be recalled.

    Jan 24, 2006 1:59:07 AM

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    Re: 997s exhaust problem, recall!!!

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    My October 2005 C2S is not affected my Porsche Centre told me?????



    How do they know which one of the Oct built is affected or not? Shouldn't Porsche replace all those built in the period mentioned in the press to be safe?

    Jan 24, 2006 2:38:06 PM

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    Re: 997s exhaust problem, recall!!!

    Hi all,

    just took my car in for the 30000km service and as i was there,the dealer told me that i have got 4 recalls to fix.
    the codes are W562-W530-W533-A601.

    hopefully will have my car back on friday.
    btw.the dealer hired a bmw530d for me from hertz till i get my car back.of course free of charge...

    Jan 26, 2006 3:29:40 AM

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    Re: 997s exhaust problem, recall!!!

    Did anyone receive notice from Porsche or do we have to call our dealers one by one and trust them to have the latest and correct information about our car?

    Jan 26, 2006 9:15:00 AM

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    Re: 997s exhaust problem, recall!!!

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    Did anyone receive notice from Porsche or do we have to call our dealers one by one and trust them to have the latest and correct information about our car?



    I contacted my local OPC and told THEM about the recall a few weeks back. I took my car in at the weekend for a flat tire replacement and in doing so the OPC also performed the recall work on the car.

    So if I were you I'd contact your nearest OPC to find out where you stand.

    Jan 27, 2006 12:17:24 PM

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    Re: 997s exhaust problem, recall!!!

    Just had a letter from Porsche centre Colchester for me to go and have the exhaust tips replaced.My car was built in December 04 .May ask how much to put on PSE now instead
     
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