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Jan 13, 2006 5:32:42 PM

dhayek: Rennteam Master; Loc: Beirut , Lebanon; Posts: 3839, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 7, 2004

I SAAAAWWW THE ORDER GUIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i went to my dealer , in his office i saw a file showing 997turbo order guide , my heart started beating! he went out of the office to speak with somebody ,i couldnt help myself ,i took it ! and started to read like crazy!i never readed that fast!! i had like 3 to 4 minutes ,when he came back to the office he saw me and was very pissed off,i told him sorry i didnt knew it was confidential

even tough it was written bold on it "strictly confidential" so once again rennteam is the first to know!!!!
the highlights of what i saw:
3.6 480PS
NO direct injection,standard sequential injection
NO PDK

,standard is manual,5 speed tiptronic optional
TPMS standard
PCCB optional
sport chrono package turbo optional , concerning this one ,i saw the description of it,it was the same description than the sport chrono package ,nothing about the overboost,so why a different name ,i dont know

rear axle differential lock optional
19inch two tone turbo wheels standard
NO carrera gt style seats , only the adaptive sport seats like the C2S
price 4% higher than 996turbo
NO sport exhaust
short shifter optional
and all the rest is optional ,the leather options,bose,telephone,wood,aluminum just like the C2S
this is mainly what i recall ,if you ask me questions i will tell you if i saw it in the order guide...

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Jan 13, 2006 5:39:38 PM

guy2: Junior; Loc: germany; Posts: 149, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 12, 2006; Reply to: dhayek

Re: I SAAAAWWW THE ORDER GUIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

any torque figures?

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Jan 13, 2006 5:50:08 PM

Turbo Al: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Rochester, New York , United States; Posts: 2531, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 3, 2005; Reply to: dhayek

Re: I SAAAAWWW THE ORDER GUIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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dhayek said:
i went to my dealer , in his office i saw a file showing 997turbo order guide , my heart started beating! he went out of the office to speak with somebody ,i couldnt help myself ,i took it ! and started to read like crazy!i never readed that fast!! i had like 3 to 4 minutes ,when he came back to the office he saw me and was very pissed off,i told him sorry i didnt knew it was confidential even tough it was written bold on it "strictly confidential" so once again rennteam is the first to know!!!!
the highlights of what i saw:
3.6 480PS
NO direct injection,standard sequential injection
NO PDK ,standard is manual,5 speed tiptronic optional
TPMS standard
PCCB optional
sport chrono package turbo optional , concerning this one ,i saw the description of it,it was the same description than the sport chrono package ,nothing about the overboost,so why a different name ,i dont know
rear axle differential lock optional
19inch two tone turbo wheels standard
NO carrera gt style seats , only the adaptive sport seats like the C2S
price 4% higher than 996turbo
NO sport exhaust
short shifter optional
and all the rest is optional ,the leather options,bose,telephone,wood,aluminum just like the C2S
this is mainly what i recall ,if you ask me questions i will tell you if i saw it in the order guide...

But "007,"

Didn't you use the hidden camera integrated into the cufflinks on your shirt that "Q" provided you?

Or at least, photcopy from a nearby Xerox machine the order guide and spec. sheet?

Otherwise, strong work, man.

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Jan 13, 2006 5:58:24 PM

SoCalHoosier: Veteran; Loc: California , United States; Posts: 896, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 13, 2003; Reply to: dhayek

Re: I SAAAAWWW THE ORDER GUIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Quote:
dhayek said:
i went to my dealer , in his office i saw a file showing 997turbo order guide , my heart started beating! he went out of the office to speak with somebody ,i couldnt help myself ,i took it ! and started to read like crazy!i never readed that fast!! i had like 3 to 4 minutes ,when he came back to the office he saw me and was very pissed off,i told him sorry i didnt knew it was confidential even tough it was written bold on it "strictly confidential" so once again rennteam is the first to know!!!!
the highlights of what i saw:
3.6 480PS
NO direct injection,standard sequential injection
NO PDK ,standard is manual,5 speed tiptronic optional
TPMS standard
PCCB optional
sport chrono package turbo optional , concerning this one ,i saw the description of it,it was the same description than the sport chrono package ,nothing about the overboost,so why a different name ,i dont know
rear axle differential lock optional
19inch two tone turbo wheels standard
NO carrera gt style seats , only the adaptive sport seats like the C2S
price 4% higher than 996turbo
NO sport exhaust
short shifter optional
and all the rest is optional ,the leather options,bose,telephone,wood,aluminum just like the C2S
this is mainly what i recall ,if you ask me questions i will tell you if i saw it in the order guide...

Crap... Porsche will once again be charging a premium for a car that so far looks like a kit car. I thought all the innovative updates would be in this car to take your eyes off the sheet metal.

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Jan 13, 2006 5:59:44 PM

Nick_Athens: Senior; Loc: Greece , Greece; Posts: 710, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 23, 2004; Reply to: Turbo Al

Re: I SAAAAWWW THE ORDER GUIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

dhayek, I said most of these things here too.
I prefered to confirm it on Rennteam ONLY as i believe we are a real team here,
But most of people here didnt believe me....

I am glad you found all these things out too... Very Good work.. Well Done.

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Jan 13, 2006 6:04:19 PM

Nick_Athens: Senior; Loc: Greece , Greece; Posts: 710, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 23, 2004; Reply to: guy2

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guy2 said:
any torque figures?

Porsche Dealers dont have YET info about the torque or power figure..
they dont know anything yet on 0-100km etc. they know only that the 997tt will be 480hp

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Jan 13, 2006 6:17:35 PM

dhayek: Rennteam Master; Loc: Beirut , Lebanon; Posts: 3839, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 7, 2004; Reply to: guy2

Re: I SAAAAWWW THE ORDER GUIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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guy2 said:
any torque figures?

i looked for that ,but in the main spec there is nothing about performance or torque figure...

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Jan 13, 2006 6:33:53 PM

guy2: Junior; Loc: germany; Posts: 149, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 12, 2006; Reply to: dhayek

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thx

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Jan 13, 2006 6:49:28 PM

Ron (Houston): Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Houston, TX , United States; Posts: 8812, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 10, 2002; Reply to: dhayek

Re: I SAAAAWWW THE ORDER GUIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks dude

.

rennteam will announce the ceremony to knight you 'Sir Dimitri'

.

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Jan 13, 2006 7:02:58 PM

igzaklee: Senior; Loc: BH , United States; Posts: 797, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 16, 2003; Reply to: Ron (Houston)

Re: I SAAAAWWW THE ORDER GUIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

another Rennteam first, right here in this thread!~~

phenomenal work dhayek!

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Jan 13, 2006 7:05:37 PM

KresoF1: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Croatia , Croatia; Posts: 7856, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 3, 2005; Reply to: igzaklee

Re: I SAAAAWWW THE ORDER GUIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nice work Dimitri!

What about suspension-PASM or what?? Is there sport chassis option(something like -20mm/LSD on 997)?

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Jan 13, 2006 7:15:01 PM

dhayek: Rennteam Master; Loc: Beirut , Lebanon; Posts: 3839, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 7, 2004; Reply to: Turbo Al

Re: I SAAAAWWW THE ORDER GUIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Quote:
Turbo Al said:

But "007,"

Didn't you use the hidden camera integrated into the cufflinks on your shirt that "Q" provided you?

Or at least, photcopy from a nearby Xerox machine the order guide and spec. sheet?

Otherwise, strong work, man.

you are joking but who told you i didnt tried to take pictures with my phone camera, but there is no macro mode in it ,so its not clear.the first option is: catalitic converter deactivated, -2-axle diffential lock rear 3- tiptronic s 5 speed -4-inflatable spare tyre

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Jan 13, 2006 7:20:34 PM

JMShrink: Pilot; Loc: California; Posts: 395, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 12, 2005; Reply to: dhayek

Re: I SAAAAWWW THE ORDER GUIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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dhayek said:
i went to my dealer , in his office i saw a file showing 997turbo order guide , my heart started beating! he went out of the office to speak with somebody ,i couldnt help myself ,i took it ! and started to read like crazy!i never readed that fast!! i had like 3 to 4 minutes ,when he came back to the office he saw me and was very pissed off,i told him sorry i didnt knew it was confidential even tough it was written bold on it "strictly confidential" so once again rennteam is the first to know!!!!
the highlights of what i saw:
3.6 480PS
NO direct injection,standard sequential injection
NO PDK ,standard is manual,5 speed tiptronic optional
TPMS standard
PCCB optional
sport chrono package turbo optional , concerning this one ,i saw the description of it,it was the same description than the sport chrono package ,nothing about the overboost,so why a different name ,i dont know
rear axle differential lock optional
19inch two tone turbo wheels standard
NO carrera gt style seats , only the adaptive sport seats like the C2S
price 4% higher than 996turbo
NO sport exhaust
short shifter optional
and all the rest is optional ,the leather options,bose,telephone,wood,aluminum just like the C2S
this is mainly what i recall ,if you ask me questions i will tell you if i saw it in the order guide...

The bold writing that said "strictly confidential" was basically an invitation. Remember in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory "No Fizzy Lifting Drinks," well, they just had to have it then, even sweet little Charlie.

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Jan 13, 2006 7:21:10 PM

woody77: Junior; Loc: FL , United States; Posts: 117, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 16, 2005; Reply to: dhayek

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Did you happen to "spy" any pictures showing the Turbo in it's final form?

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Jan 13, 2006 7:25:49 PM

dhayek: Rennteam Master; Loc: Beirut , Lebanon; Posts: 3839, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 7, 2004; Reply to: KresoF1

Re: I SAAAAWWW THE ORDER GUIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Branimir said:
Nice work Dimitri! What about suspension-PASM or what?? Is there sport chassis option(something like -20mm/LSD on 997)?

standard pasm , no -20mm or sport suspension/lsd..

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Jan 13, 2006 7:31:55 PM

dhayek: Rennteam Master; Loc: Beirut , Lebanon; Posts: 3839, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 7, 2004; Reply to: woody77

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woody77 said:
Did you happen to "spy" any pictures showing the Turbo in it's final form?

lool , not yet , but i am going on february 9 to porsche camp4 ,in the porsche arctic driving center ,in roveniami finland ,arctic circle. something tells me that i am going to see something there.......

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Jan 13, 2006 7:46:10 PM

dhayek: Rennteam Master; Loc: Beirut , Lebanon; Posts: 3839, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 7, 2004; Reply to: Ron (Houston)

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Ron (Houston) said:
Thanks dude .

rennteam will announce the ceremony to knight you 'Sir Dimitri' .

thanks ron! but after the f430 spy shots ,the 997tequipment catalog and now the order guide,i will soon be the "porsche and ferrari black listed knight"

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Jan 13, 2006 7:52:47 PM

Nick_Athens: Senior; Loc: Greece , Greece; Posts: 710, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 23, 2004; Reply to: dhayek

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i forgot to tell you that my dealer told me that a guy named Dimitri will never take a 997 turbo cause he is already on a black list....

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Jan 13, 2006 8:00:58 PM

dhayek: Rennteam Master; Loc: Beirut , Lebanon; Posts: 3839, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 7, 2004; Reply to: Nick_Athens

Re: I SAAAAWWW THE ORDER GUIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Aisxos said:
i forgot to tell you that my dealer told me that a guy named Dimitri will never take a 997 turbo cause he is already on a black list....

loooooool

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Jan 13, 2006 8:10:23 PM

Turbo Al: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Rochester, New York , United States; Posts: 2531, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 3, 2005; Reply to: dhayek

Re: I SAAAAWWW THE ORDER GUIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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dhayek said:
Quote:
Turbo Al said:

But "007,"

Didn't you use the hidden camera integrated into the cufflinks on your shirt that "Q" provided you? Or at least, photcopy from a nearby Xerox machine the order guide and spec. sheet?

Otherwise, strong work, man.

you are joking but who told you i didnt tried to take pictures with my phone camera, but there is no macro mode in it ,so its not clear.the first option is: catalitic converter deactivated, -2-axle diffential lock rear 3- tiptronic s 5 speed -4-inflatable spare tyre

Me? Joking? On rennteam? Nah.

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Jan 13, 2006 8:18:31 PM

schmuy: Senior; Loc: Vancouver, BC , Canada; Posts: 671, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 5, 2005; Reply to: Turbo Al

Re: I SAAAAWWW THE ORDER GUIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Simple question and maybe its already been answered but could someone shed some info on why the 997tt is using the 3.6L instead of the 3.8L in the 997S? or is the 3.8L to come later pushing the HP over the big 500.

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Jan 13, 2006 8:35:43 PM

Turbo Al: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Rochester, New York , United States; Posts: 2531, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 3, 2005; Reply to: schmuy

Re: I SAAAAWWW THE ORDER GUIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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schmuy said:
Simple question and maybe its already been answered but could someone shed some info on why the 997tt is using the 3.6L instead of the 3.8L in the 997S? or is the 3.8L to come later pushing the HP over the big 500.

My answer is that even the 996TT 3.6L engine, truly dry-sumped and all, can handle 600HP without major mods., and the 997S 3.8L engine is a completely different engine from the 3.6L. My question is why they didn't increase the displacement of the 3.6L engine of the 996TT for the 997TT?-and hopefully they will for the 997TTS. In other words, even the 996TT with its 3.6L powerplant could handle well over 600peakHP. let alone 500.

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Jan 13, 2006 8:40:27 PM

KresoF1: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Croatia , Croatia; Posts: 7856, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 3, 2005; Reply to: schmuy

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New 997tt will use upgraded(VTG,etc.) 996tt engine which is 3600cm3(Bore 100mm,stroke 76.4mm). This engine is different then 997 engines... 997S engine is 3824cm3(Bore 99.0mm,stroke 82.8mm) and 997 engine is 3596cm3(Bore 96.0mm,stroke 82.8mm). 997S/997(and Cayman S) engines are from same family but, these engines are not in Porsche opinion suitable for Turbo chargers. Old family has stronger construction and is born to be turbo charged... Odl family engines are in new 997tt and will be probably in new 997gt3...

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Jan 13, 2006 8:50:20 PM

964C2: Expert; Loc: Dallas, TX , United States; Posts: 1825, Gallery; Registered on: May 11, 2004; Reply to: KresoF1

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Branimir said:
New 997tt will use upgraded(VTG,etc.) 996tt engine which is 3600cm3(Bore 100mm,stroke 76.4mm). This engine is different then 997 engines... 997S engine is 3824cm3(Bore 99.0mm,stroke 82.8mm) and 997 engine is 3596cm3(Bore 96.0mm,stroke 82.8mm). 997S/997(and Cayman S) engines are from same family but, these engines are not in Porsche opinion suitable for Turbo chargers. Old family has stronger construction and is born to be turbo charged... Odl family engines are in new 997tt and will be probably in new 997gt3...

The GT2, GT3 and TT uses the 964 3.6L crankcase, also used in the GT1 race car; ultra-reliable and as an earlier poster said, it can handle high HP!!

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Jan 13, 2006 8:53:32 PM

svtrader1: Veteran; Loc:; Posts: 821, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 17, 2003; Reply to: Turbo Al

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Turbo Al said:
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schmuy said:
Simple question and maybe its already been answered but could someone shed some info on why the 997tt is using the 3.6L instead of the 3.8L in the 997S? or is the 3.8L to come later pushing the HP over the big 500.

My answer is that even the 996TT 3.6L engine, truly dry-sumped and all, can handle 600HP without major mods., and the 997S 3.8L engine is a completely different engine from the 3.6L. My question is why they didn't increase the displacement of the 3.6L engine of the 996TT for the 997TT?-and hopefully they will for the 997TTS. In other words, even the 996TT with its 3.6L powerplant could handle well over 600peakHP. let alone 500.

Isn't obvious by now? Porsche isn't about innovation, it's about making $$$ and saving $$$.

It cost them nothing to use the old 996 engine. All they have to do is increase turbo boost to extract extra hp.

The GT3 is the same engine as the 996 GT3, too. Some minor tweaking and you have an 20 hp.

So, basically, you can forget about seeing a 3.8l for the turbo S or for that matter in the GT2.

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Jan 13, 2006 8:58:27 PM

964C2: Expert; Loc: Dallas, TX , United States; Posts: 1825, Gallery; Registered on: May 11, 2004; Reply to: svtrader1

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svtrader1 said:
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Turbo Al said:
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schmuy said:
Simple question and maybe its already been answered but could someone shed some info on why the 997tt is using the 3.6L instead of the 3.8L in the 997S? or is the 3.8L to come later pushing the HP over the big 500.

My answer is that even the 996TT 3.6L engine, truly dry-sumped and all, can handle 600HP without major mods., and the 997S 3.8L engine is a completely different engine from the 3.6L. My question is why they didn't increase the displacement of the 3.6L engine of the 996TT for the 997TT?-and hopefully they will for the 997TTS. In other words, even the 996TT with its 3.6L powerplant could handle well over 600peakHP. let alone 500.

Isn't obvious by now? Porsche isn't about innovation, it's about making $$$ and saving $$$.

It cost them nothing to use the old 996 engine. All they have to do is increase turbo boost to extract extra hp.

The GT3 is the same engine as the 996 GT3, too. Some minor tweaking and you have an 20 hp.

So, basically, you can for about seeing a 3.8l for the turbo S or for that matter in the GT2.

In this case I don't believe it's simply about money, it's about using a crankcase that is proven in thousands of miles of racing, going back to the 964RS....

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Jan 13, 2006 9:24:26 PM

Carlos from Spain: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Spain. , Spain; Posts: 21152, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 9, 2003; Reply to: dhayek

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Very cool Dimitry, Thanks!!

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Jan 13, 2006 9:26:02 PM

brunner: Veteran; Loc: E. Europe , Romania; Posts: 1125, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 28, 2003; Reply to: svtrader1

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svtrader1 said:It cost them nothing to use the old 996 engine. All they have to do is increase turbo boost to extract extra hp.

Rright, VTG is just an increase in turbo boost

It's he FIRST gasoline engine in the world to use this technology. How isn't that an 'innovation'?
Sheesh...

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Jan 13, 2006 9:28:04 PM

Carlos from Spain: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Spain. , Spain; Posts: 21152, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 9, 2003; Reply to: 964C2

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964C2 said:
In this case I don't believe it's simply about money, it's about using a crankcase that is proven in thousands of miles of racing, going back to the 964RS....

Exactly. Some people don't understand what "evolution" means, and 40 years of it has made the 911 the reference sportcar to many's dismay. The 911 is the ONLY rear engined platform out there, you can't just drop a ordianry V8 in there, even the engine has to be special. And this engine is a little jewel, relieabel and race proven like no other, no need to change it like others, just improve upon it a little bit further each time.

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Jan 13, 2006 9:53:11 PM

svtrader1: Veteran; Loc:; Posts: 821, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 17, 2003; Reply to: brunner

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brunner said:
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svtrader1 said:It cost them nothing to use the old 996 engine. All they have to do is increase turbo boost to extract extra hp.

Rright, VTG is just an increase in turbo boost

It's he FIRST gasoline engine in the world to use this technology. How isn't that an 'innovation'?
Sheesh...

When will we see it? Next year? Two years from now? Three? When?

What are you going to do in the mean time? Pay more for the same old, same old?

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