noone1:You said it, no me. Few would be 3-10.
A friend's Cup 2 on a GT3 lasted 3000 km with some sporadic but spirited track driving.
My PZero PZ4 lasted around 8000-9000 km, mainly street driving with some very sporadic closed roads/track driving.
RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet (2015), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)
An interesting fun fact: To achieve a louder interior sound in the new GTS models, Porsche just left away around 1 kg of dampening material, which apparently does the trick.
Exterior sound should be similar (in loudness) to Carrera S with PSE but since the GTS models use different turbo chargers, the sound can be slightly different (which some people could interpret as "louder" but it isn't).
RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet (2015), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)
I wonder if they used a similar trick in the Cayman GTS. I wouldn't mind a quieter cabin (just a bit); especially to quiet the exhaust drone at low RPM.
I don't know what to make of all this tire discussion. Is the problem with the tire shenanigans? Or is it with us paying so much attention to track time differences that are meaningless in practice?
KMM:I wonder if they used a similar trick in the Cayman GTS. I wouldn't mind a quieter cabin (just a bit); especially to quiet the exhaust drone at low RPM.
I don't know what to make of all this tire discussion. Is the problem with the tire shenanigans? Or is it with us paying so much attention to track time differences that are meaningless in practice?
Good question. Fact is: People who usually don't own these cars but love to brag about them, judge their performance by 0-100 and 0-200 kph acceleration times and maybe top speed. Drivers like us (or pros... ) usually judge cars by track performance and this is where the tire shenanigans come into play. In the past, car manufacturers just delivered test cars with more powerful engines and were done with it. This didn't really help on the track though. So now they are acting more clever, by using newly developed tires. Tires which are often not ordered by customers.
I just talked to a Porsche sales guy and asked how many GTS were ordered with the new Corsa tires. His reply was pretty clear: None of the customers even asked if there is a sportier tire available and when he told them that there is going to be one available, they weren't interested. I am pretty sure that 99% of the cars will be delivered on the standard PZero N1 and not with the new Corsa N0. Tire shenanigans.
RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet (2015), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)
SciFrog:Clearly the right thing to do would be to publish times with both sets of tires...
Indeed.
RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet (2015), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)
So then little reason for anyone to upgrade. Buy a 991.1 GTS with NA engine and put the new tires on it. Now you get a way better sound and the performance is probably nearly the same. Same can probably be said for lots of exotics etc.
12C did 7:25 on the Ring back in 2012. I wouldn't be surprised if it's 7:10 now or something crazy like that.
noone1:So then little reason for anyone to upgrade. Buy a 991.1 GTS with NA engine and put the new tires on it. Now you get a way better sound and the performance is probably nearly the same. Same can probably be said for lots of exotics etc.
12C did 7:25 on the Ring back in 2012. I wouldn't be surprised if it's 7:10 now or something crazy like that.
Not really. The 991.2 has the better chassis, also the increased torque helps with track times since traction doesn't seem to be an issue on the 991.2 RWD models.
Also, there is no RWS for the 991.1 and RWS alone is a big deal.
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RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet (2015), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)
noone1:So then little reason for anyone to upgrade. Buy a 991.1 GTS with NA engine and put the new tires on it. Now you get a way better sound and the performance is probably nearly the same. Same can probably be said for lots of exotics etc.
12C did 7:25 on the Ring back in 2012. I wouldn't be surprised if it's 7:10 now or something crazy like that.
You misunderstood me - of course, the turbo s with these tires will be faster in all conditions (including the track) than the GTS. As these tires are specifically developed for all 991.2 models with this tire size.
all these track times are for bragging rights only, unless one is looking for a track car.
nowadays most 4 doors sedans or even SUVs are more than fast enough for daily use.
my 9 years old Cayenne turbo with 500hp is too fast for city use, I can never full throttle it.
for my daily 911, I want to have a performance tire that is good for wet and dry and last long, but don't need one to give me the fastest lap time and wear fast.
Tim
2010 997.2 GT3RS; 2008 Cayenne Turbo; 2006 911 Club Coupe; 2016 911 GTS Club Coupe; 2015 Macan S
Na Mezger:I think the aluminum bar is a better option than the black one
The silver bar doesn't look good on a GTS with all those black(ened) design elements.
RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet (2015), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)
ABSportscars Test: Porsche 991.2 GTS (PDK) vs BMW M4 CS (DKG)
Sachsenring Lap Time: 1:31.61 / 1:34.01
Acceleration:
0-100: 3,4 / 3,7
0-130: 5,1 / 5,5
0-160: 7,3 / 7,8
0-200: 11,2 / 12,3
0-402,34 m: 11,41 / 11,80
Braking (Carbon Ceramic on both):
100-0 (Cold): 30,4 m / 28,3 m
100-0 (Warm): 29,4 m / 29,3 m
200-0 (Warm): 123,7 m / 123,1 m
Weight: 1,498 kg / 1,602 kg
Vmax: 310 km/h / 280 km/h
Tires: Pirelli P Zero (N0) / Michelin PS Cup2
Price: 149,030 Euro / 124,200 Euro
21 juil. 2017 16:52:41
Not really when you consider the similarity in lap times is just due to the torque of the turbochargers that the Carreras never had before until now, not because of any improvements of the chasis, or any other innovation over the GT3, and it comes at the expense of turbo lag, lower reving engine and no engine sound except for the farting of the exhaust. For actual driving, I'd take the GT3 over the GTS any day, if it weren't that the GT3 is not really practical as a real daily, and the GTS is just perfect for that with its perfect balance of sportiness and daily usability.
⇒ Carlos - Porsche 991 Carrera GTS
21 juil. 2017 17:45:20
21 juil. 2017 18:21:09