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Oct 29, 2023 5:10:56 PM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: Whoopsy

Re: 2023 Formula One

While Max isn't a fan of Sprint, I think it's a great idea to fill up the weekend, especially when Formula 1 is charging so much for tickets. It's at least action packed, unlike leisurely FP1/2/3.

Currently each race weekend there are 5 sessions for the cars to be on track, 3 practices plus qualifying and race for regular weekends and a practice, qualifying, Sprint Shootout, Sprint and the race for Sprint weekend. That's too little actual action for the ticket price. I have been to a regular weekend at Montreal and a Sprint weekend at COTA, in both cases there are a lot of down time with nothing going on. Very different than say going to Le Mans where I basically get continuous action all weekend. I am getting my money's worth going to Le Mans. Heck, I see more action going to Long Beach for IMSA than in Formula 1.

Seeing how chaotic qualifying has become, perhaps they could consider splitting qualifying into 2 sessions, 1 car from each team do 1 and the other car on the other. Or switch to single car single lap qualifying, starting with the points leader down to last place, no traffic no tow.

Swapping event orders can also be a thing for Sprint weekend, move the actual qualifying session to AFTER the Sprint, and let driver decide if they want to be more conservative and keep the car in one piece for qualifying or go for broke for some points first.

Formula 1 is a bit broken right now.

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Oct 29, 2023 6:28:10 PM

CGX car nut: Rennteam Master; Loc: NWI , United States; Posts: 5194, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 17, 2011; Reply to: Whoopsy

Re: 2023 Formula One

Whoopsy:
Carlos from Spain:
looks like It wasn't random after all, which struck me odd that it wouldn't be since only those at the top after the race were checked which would be too much of a coincidence, and rightly so since they Mercedes and Ferrari where both caught

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/fia-originally-only-planned-to-check-hamilton-and-leclercs-planks-at-f1-us-gp/10539962/

Oh boy, FIA will need to get their story straight soon. First they insists it's random but now it's targeted.

Mr Nut was right after all.

Never a dull moment with these clowns saying one thing and doing another.

I wrote that it wasn’t a random testing procedure last week Sunday at the time of the disqualifications. Several reliable sources stated it wasn’t a random inspection and vertical acceleration telemetry triggered the inquiry. However, you vociferously dismissed it as the pablum of hatred.

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Oct 29, 2023 6:29:36 PM

CGX car nut: Rennteam Master; Loc: NWI , United States; Posts: 5194, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 17, 2011; Reply to: watt

Re: 2023 Formula One

watt:
Max checked legal, and with bad brakes the entire day gave away a ton of pace to the illegal cars; the brakes of course solely RB's fault.

Arse-dragging Luwee. First literally and now figuratively. https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.hamilton-says-w14-has-been-a-nightmare-to-drive-as-he-prepares-for.5cHghq9KCs0jZpLtHCYDDf.html

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Oct 29, 2023 8:43:36 PM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: CGX car nut

Re: 2023 Formula One

CGX car nut:
Whoopsy:
Carlos from Spain:
looks like It wasn't random after all, which struck me odd that it wouldn't be since only those at the top after the race were checked which would be too much of a coincidence, and rightly so since they Mercedes and Ferrari where both caught

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/fia-originally-only-planned-to-check-hamilton-and-leclercs-planks-at-f1-us-gp/10539962/

Oh boy, FIA will need to get their story straight soon. First they insists it's random but now it's targeted.

Mr Nut was right after all.

Never a dull moment with these clowns saying one thing and doing another.

I wrote that it wasn’t a random testing procedure last week Sunday at the time of the disqualifications. Several reliable sources stated it wasn’t a random inspection and vertical acceleration telemetry triggered the inquiry. However, you vociferously dismissed it as the pablum of hatred.

Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley

That's funny, me with hatred towards you? Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley

I don't even have hatred towards Verstappen or Red Bull Racing, why would I towards you? Don't recriprocate your feeling towards me as mine for you.

About the only thing I have hatred for on Earth is terrorists. You aren't at that level.

Nothing was reported as you described, all things are still reported as random as claimed by the FIA, until it isn't.

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Oct 29, 2023 8:45:04 PM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: CGX car nut

Re: 2023 Formula One

CGX car nut:
watt:
Max checked legal, and with bad brakes the entire day gave away a ton of pace to the illegal cars; the brakes of course solely RB's fault.

Arse-dragging Luwee. First literally and now figuratively. https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.hamilton-says-w14-has-been-a-nightmare-to-drive-as-he-prepares-for.5cHghq9KCs0jZpLtHCYDDf.html

There is your hatred towards drivers Smiley

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Oct 29, 2023 9:06:58 PM

watt: Rennteam Master; Loc: Way Back In , New Zealand; Posts: 4572, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 27, 2002; Reply to: Whoopsy

Re: 2023 Formula One

Perez shot himself permanently, he's done w RB

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Oct 29, 2023 9:30:50 PM

CGX car nut: Rennteam Master; Loc: NWI , United States; Posts: 5194, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 17, 2011; Reply to: watt

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Definitely an unwise career terminating move.

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Oct 29, 2023 10:19:57 PM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: CGX car nut

Re: 2023 Formula One

What a drive by Lando, amazing progress through the field.

Ricciardo was also another great performer, wonderful to see him up in the points again.

Leclerc has great car control, he could have easily took Max with him when Perez crashed into him in the 1st corner, wouldn't that be something to see.

As expected, Verstappen fucked off into the distance both times, if not for the stoppage, that Red Bull could have carry him to a 30 second race win.

Hamilton is showing off why he is the GOAT, taking those scrubbed mediums for such a long distance to finish the race, and even got fastest lap to boot.

Aston Martin...............hmm. 🤦🏻‍♂️ They seriously need to ditch Junior. There are so many much better drivers without a race seat.

It was a surprise 1st and 2nd quali for Ferrari, but surely they didn't expect they gonna win. 3rd and 4th isn't that bad a result, maybe they could have hoped for 2nd and 3rd but Hamilton and his Mercedes stood in the way.

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Oct 30, 2023 6:35:24 AM

Pentium: Rennteam Master; Loc: Earth , Romania; Posts: 3059, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 27, 2003; Reply to: Whoopsy

Re: 2023 Formula One

I think Perez it’s done at Redbull after yesterday’s stunt.

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Oct 30, 2023 8:07:23 AM

DJM48: Expert; Loc: Australia , Australia; Posts: 1726, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 16, 2015; Reply to: Pentium

Re: 2023 Formula One

Pentium:
I think Perez it’s done at Redbull after yesterday’s stunt.

DR certainly picked a good day to perform..

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Oct 30, 2023 2:41:07 PM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: Pentium

Re: 2023 Formula One

Pentium:
I think Perez it’s done at Redbull after yesterday’s stunt.

If they ditch Perez, Red Bull are back to square 1 again.

I am not convinced Ricciardo can handle the Red Bull car satisfactorily. It's the most tail happy car on the grid as that's how Verstappen likes it, and Ricciardo tried driving such a beast in McLaren and it failed miserably.

The only driver in Red Bull's system that can handle such a setup would be Lawson but he might put up too big a fight against Verstappen. Ricciardo, Perez are all part of the old school style with a more stable rear end.

Might also eb expensive to pay Perez to not drive for them, unless of course they can convince Perez to retire.

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Oct 30, 2023 2:49:13 PM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: Whoopsy

Re: 2023 Formula One

Bought some merch at COTA F1, debating what to wear for Vegas F1. Deep down I want to wear Ferrari red, still my favourite team ever. But I am tempting to join the orange army and wear orange for Lando, he is fast becoming one of my favourites.

Will for sure be in Alfa Romeo for one day as I will be heading to the Alfa garage to catch up with my old mechanic from Manthey.

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Oct 30, 2023 3:00:18 PM

CGX car nut: Rennteam Master; Loc: NWI , United States; Posts: 5194, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 17, 2011; Reply to: Whoopsy

Re: 2023 Formula One

Lawson fits well if Red Bull wants to maintain a driver development pipeline with a young Lawson being the an apprentice Driver #2 to the more experienced Verstappen. All the other drivers are a bit too old and experienced to continue as a pure Driver #2 role when the concept is to compete against other teams not amongst themselves. Red Bull also needs to manage its risk with the possibility of Verstappen leaving the team in the next few years. Older drivers such as Danny Ric and Checo don’t fulfill the role of a productive Driver #1.

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Oct 30, 2023 11:33:23 PM

watt: Rennteam Master; Loc: Way Back In , New Zealand; Posts: 4572, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 27, 2002; Reply to: CGX car nut

Re: 2023 Formula One

at least one guy deserves the hat. check those laps, a full race, lewee 27 secs behind

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Oct 31, 2023 2:10:34 AM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: watt

Re: 2023 Formula One

We were just talking about that, Max has the fastest car by a long mile. All season. He SHOULD be winning like this every race. Put him in the Mercedes and he isn't even winning daddy's love this year.

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Oct 31, 2023 3:56:39 AM

CGX car nut: Rennteam Master; Loc: NWI , United States; Posts: 5194, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 17, 2011; Reply to: watt

Re: 2023 Formula One

watt:
at least one guy deserves the hat. check those laps, a full race, lewee 27 secs behind

Now he’s done it. He’s misappropriated another’s culture!

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Oct 31, 2023 8:13:13 AM

Carlos from Spain: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Spain. , Spain; Posts: 21155, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 9, 2003; Reply to: Whoopsy

Re: 2023 Formula One

Whoopsy:
We were just talking about that, Max has the fastest car by a long mile. All season. He SHOULD be winning like this every race. Put him in the Mercedes and he isn't even winning daddy's love this year.

Any of the top 10 drivers would be doing the same thing in his car once it was adapted to their own driving style.

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Oct 31, 2023 1:54:49 PM

JoeRockhead: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Topside , Monaco; Posts: 8033, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 17, 2007; Reply to: Carlos from Spain

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Carlos from Spain:
Whoopsy:
We were just talking about that, Max has the fastest car by a long mile. All season. He SHOULD be winning like this every race. Put him in the Mercedes and he isn't even winning daddy's love this year.

Any of the top 10 drivers would be doing the same thing in his car once it was adapted to their own driving style.

True. And this was also true when the Merc dominated.

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Oct 31, 2023 1:58:05 PM

Carlos from Spain: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Spain. , Spain; Posts: 21155, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 9, 2003; Reply to: JoeRockhead

Re: 2023 Formula One

JoeRockhead:
Carlos from Spain:
Whoopsy:
We were just talking about that, Max has the fastest car by a long mile. All season. He SHOULD be winning like this every race. Put him in the Mercedes and he isn't even winning daddy's love this year.

Any of the top 10 drivers would be doing the same thing in his car once it was adapted to their own driving style.

True. And this was also true when the Merc dominated.

Absolutely, exactly the same with Mercedes previously.

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Oct 31, 2023 2:25:26 PM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: Carlos from Spain

Re: 2023 Formula One

And Button with the Brawn before that, Alonso with the Benetton, Vettel with the Red Bulls again, and the Ferrari with Schumacher st the helm. etc.

Formula 1 is a car championship first, the driver winning is just incidental most of the time. Very rarely do a driver win despite someone else having the faster car.

About the only year in recent memory where such thing happened was 2008 when Hamilton won while the Massa Ferrari is the faster machine. The Mclaren aren't slow by any means however. And for time, Vettel's Ferrari was superior to Hamilton's Mercedes, legal or not, and could have toppled Hamilton but didn't.

There are some that want to think 'their' driver is best, not because of the car but the driver, but that's a flawed argument. A driver is nothing without the car. Look no farther than Senna. When he finally got to Williams, the all conquering car is no more, and he isn't winning. Alonso is another, 2 time defending champion and can't do anything in Ferrari, Renault, McLaren.

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Oct 31, 2023 3:27:18 PM

watt: Rennteam Master; Loc: Way Back In , New Zealand; Posts: 4572, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 27, 2002; Reply to: Whoopsy

Re: 2023 Formula One

nick,

you're a one trick pony, repeating yourself over and over- go back to draining the trust fund with those $16 beers

of course, for Las Vegas, the beers might be $100

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Oct 31, 2023 5:08:33 PM

Enmanuel: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Boston , United States; Posts: 8856, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 7, 2008; Reply to: watt

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Getting a little heated over here. You'd think someone was robbed of standing in the podium themselves.

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Oct 31, 2023 6:18:25 PM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: watt

Re: 2023 Formula One

watt:
nick,

you're a one trick pony, repeating yourself over and over- go back to draining the trust fund with those $16 beers

of course, for Las Vegas, the beers might be $100

Truth withstands the test of time, no one suffers when repeating truth. Smiley Only the deniers can't stand truth being repeated.

As for beer in Vegas, they are free, I will be on casino's dime there. Wanna join? We can have a beer or 10. Food too. And just about anything I can think of. My trust fund isn't as big as yours, can't pay for $16 beer forever like you. Smiley

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Oct 31, 2023 7:06:44 PM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: Enmanuel

Re: 2023 Formula One

Enmanuel:
Getting a little heated over here. You'd think someone was robbed of standing in the podium themselves.

There are certain people that can't accept that not everyone thinks Max is the greatest and he is god and even if we put him in the Alfa Romeo he will still win races by over 30 seconds.

With the current Red Bull car, Max is certainly unbeatable right now, no one is debating that. Not unlike the last few years when Hamilton was in the Mercedes. And Max's talent level certainly is a few steps above Perez.

And some people thinks F1 is a 'driver' championship and not a 'car' championship. They must have forget that prize money are given out at the end of the year for the teams' standing, the 'constructors', not for the driver standing.

Good teams of course will attract good drivers, and good drivers are attracted to good teams, hence, the cream of the crop will ended up at top teams with a good chance to win the driver's championship because of the car.

And that, is the simple truth about F1.

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Nov 1, 2023 8:04:23 AM

Joost: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Dordrecht , Netherlands; Posts: 8055, Gallery; Registered on: May 3, 2004; Reply to: Whoopsy

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Isn't it a bit the other way round? A great driver in a great car will make win the championship. A Mediocre driver in a great car will win races, but will make mistakes that may or may not cost him the championship, depending on the competition. A great driver in a mediocre car will be in the middle class with the occasional wonderful result...

I think we can say that Max in the Red Bull is a combination of a great driver with a great car with a great team... They hardly make any mistakes, even in difficult circumstances, and that is what makes them be consistent winners at the moment.

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Nov 1, 2023 3:18:13 PM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: Joost

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Of course a driver will pay a role in how a car will perform. The car however will be the mechanical limit. Doesn't matter if it's Max driving or Mazepin driving, if another car is faster, no amount of driver talent will give it a higher top speed. Nor will a driver make a difference in cornering speed if a car is mechanically limited to whatever the speed is.

Alonso is the great modern example. Given the right car, he can be up there fighting with the leaders, but give him a shit car, he is hovering at the back. Remember his days at his 2nd stint at McLaren? The car is down on power, the car is down on cornering, no amount of talent can make that car presentable.

Every driver on the grid right now has no problem finding the limit of any car and drive it there. Max's current advantage over others is the he stays near the limit of the car more so than other drivers, that's what makes him fastest right now. His car is well suited to his driving style thus enable him to be at that limit more often. But then again the Red Bull car is so fast, Max doesn't even need drive at the limit, he can go at it at 75% and still win by 30 seconds. Heck, Max hasn't need to drive at 100% for years now.

The last time Max needed to drive at 100% was back in 2021. He needed that and the faster Red Bull car jsut to match and surpass Hamilton in his Mercedes. That year both raced at 100% for sure.

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Nov 2, 2023 8:32:13 AM

Joost: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Dordrecht , Netherlands; Posts: 8055, Gallery; Registered on: May 3, 2004; Reply to: Whoopsy

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Yeah, that's what I meant; with a winner's car, the driver only has the opportunity to decrease the performance. The better the driver, the less f*ck ups.

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Nov 2, 2023 2:14:36 PM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: Joost

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In Formula 1, cars and drivers are intrinsically linked, cannot talk about one without the other.

The great drivers can take a dominant car to places. But even good drivers can win in a dominant car. See Perez, Bottas, Barrichello, Irvine, Webber etc.

In an alternate universe, where Hamilton was stuck in McLaren and Verstappen in Torro Rosso, we could have Perez and Bottas each winning the driver title. Perhaps Webber too if Vettel was somewhere else. Will be like Button claiming a title in a Brawn kind of shocker, but not really as the cars are that good.

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Nov 2, 2023 4:29:11 PM

watt: Rennteam Master; Loc: Way Back In , New Zealand; Posts: 4572, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 27, 2002; Reply to: Whoopsy

Nov 2, 2023 9:09:52 PM

CGX car nut: Rennteam Master; Loc: NWI , United States; Posts: 5194, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 17, 2011; Reply to: watt

Re: 2023 Formula One

watt:

Why watch the race when we have Whoopsy providing a detailed analysis of why it is the car, not the driver, that matters? He'll run a computer simulation in his head and will report his findings before week's end.

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