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Re: i think porsche understated the performance of the caymen
I'm sure that may have been part of the reason, but I tend to believe they didn't want the Cayman to "overshadow" the 911 in performance. 911 buyers tend to be in a little different age and monetary group and will always buy a 911 for the name, etc. If the Cayman would have come out with better performance.....I don't think it would have pulled sales away from the 911, but would have made buyers of the 911 a little ticked off. I think the Boxster has the most to worry about.
Re: i think porsche understated the performance of the caymen
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GR said:
I wonder if the 0-60mph has been compromised by the shorter 1st and 2nd gears (sure I read that somewhere). The 0-100mph or 0-125mph will give a better indication of the performance. Does anyone know these figures yet?
Shorter 1st and 2nd gears would help the 0-60 times, not hurt...
Re: i think porsche understated the performance of the caymen
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GR said:
Normally yes but not if it means you have to change from 2nd to 3rd before 60mph. Typically 0.2-0.3 seconds are lost changing gear
GR - I agree with you, but there is no way that the Cayman S will redline in 2nd gear before 60mph. It will likely be around 70mph at a minimum. I don't have a gear chart for the Boxster S or 997, but I think they both do WAY over 60mph in 2nd (a small adjustment won't change that). Anyone know the numbers?
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wtsnet said:
Funnily enough, I just posted this table (again) on the Boxster board. Here it is again. (For the 987).
Thanks! So, in 2nd, 68mph at 7,000 rpm means that it would do 71 mph at redline (7,300 rpm). So, there is no way that the revised gearing will allow much less than 65mph in 2nd...
Re: i think porsche understated the performance of the caymen
Mmmm. So despite shorter gearing to above 62mph, plus an extra 15bhp and similar weight, the Cayman can only shave 01.sec off the Boxster S 0-62mph. Even though I think its a fairly irrelevant measure, it doesn't seem very impressive. I await the 0-100mph time with more interest.
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GR said:
Mmmm. So despite shorter gearing to above 62mph, plus an extra 15bhp and similar weight, the Cayman can only shave 01.sec off the Boxster S 0-62mph. Even though I think its a fairly irrelevant measure, it doesn't seem very impressive. I await the 0-100mph time with more interest.
I never understood why the 0-60 time is considered so important by so many. It is probably one of the most useless acceleration figures if you think about it.
Who the hell drops the clutch like that only to get to 60mph? If you actually need to launch like that, you are not going to stop at 60.
The most relevant to me are 1/4 mile and trap speed, 0-100, rolling start 5-60mph (a more "real-life" acceleration - unless you want to go through clutches once a year), and most importantly, the ones they DON'T test for. Like specific speed intervals at optimal gearing, not at top gear like they often do.
I'd like to know how fast a particular car will go from 40-60, 50-90, etc.
This, of course, could be done by simple substraction using the 0-Top speed charts that C&D offers on their full tests that show 10-mph intervals (and still it would not be as accurate, of course). But most people are fixated with this useless 0-60 time so seldomly are figures like these posted.
I guess an easy, "universal" figure is needed. Fine. But once numbers get closer than say .5 seconds, so much depends on traction, conditions, shifting, etc, that it becomes largely irrelevant.
Jun 23, 2005 4:04:16 PM
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Re: i think porsche understated the performance of the caymen
u guys read too much into naught to 60 times hehe, they just make these up, im telling u...shave a tenth just to make it faster; maybe a millisecond of extra wheelspin and everyone is upset hehe. Lets talk about something real..the handling!
Jun 23, 2005 7:43:40 PM
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Re: i think porsche understated the performance of the caymen
0-60 is a popular but imperfect measure of a cars ability to accelerate from standstill and the driver's ability to launch.
There's no more wrong with 0-60 than any other measure. You just need to know the strengths and limitations of the measurement.
There's no more wrong with 0-60 than any other measure. You just need to know the strengths and limitations of the measurement.
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