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Jun 1, 2005 2:52:23 PM
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Re: C&D article
Thanks!......makes me really want to see an actual road test. A 4.9 / 13.4 (C&D est.) isn't bad, but I would expect a little better since the Boxster S already does a 5.0 / 13.5.
If all the bigger engine and much bigger price do is lop .1 second off the times.....that doesn't look great in my book.
We'll see....
If all the bigger engine and much bigger price do is lop .1 second off the times.....that doesn't look great in my book.
We'll see....
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MikeN said:If all the bigger engine and much bigger price do is lop .1 second off the times.....that doesn't look great in my book.
We'll see....
You wouldn't expect much more from 15hp would you. The improvements will be in the handling area - much stiffer body (150% more rigidity), not in straight-line speed. If you're buying a Boxster S for its drag-strip behavior, you're looking at the wrong car...
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MikeN said:If all the bigger engine and much bigger price do is lop .1 second off the times.....that doesn't look great in my book.
We'll see....
You wouldn't expect much more from 15hp would you. The improvements will be in the handling area - much stiffer body (150% more rigidity), not in straight-line speed. If you're buying a Boxster S for its drag-strip behavior, you're looking at the wrong car...
No, not looking for a drag-strip car.....but 15HP/15ft.lb.
and especially $5k extra should get you more than .1 second no matter what. Being a coupe by nature makes it more rigid....I don't think Porsche really put more $$$ in the car making it more rigid.....they just added the roof....everything else is most likely pure Boxster. If they did put something extra in the chassis I would be surprised.
Just brings up the price/performance point again.....if it's not really faster than a Boxster S, it will handle better due to a less costly to produce (I still suspect) hard roof, then why am I paying $5k more for it??
I actually think it will do better than .1 second over the Boxster in an actual road test......again, have to wait and see.
Jun 1, 2005 5:47:27 PM
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Re: C&D article
Thanks for the article. I liked
"We should know if the controversial pricing strategy works within a few months of the Cayman's going on sale in the U.S. in January 2006."
We should boycott the Cayman S, they can then reintroduce it in '07 priced at $49,900 where it should be.
"We should know if the controversial pricing strategy works within a few months of the Cayman's going on sale in the U.S. in January 2006."
We should boycott the Cayman S, they can then reintroduce it in '07 priced at $49,900 where it should be.
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MikeN said:I actually think it will do better than .1 second over the Boxster in an actual road test......again, have to wait and see.
Mike - 15hp is only around 5% increase. When it comes to 0-60 and 1/4 mile times, it usually takes alot more power to make a small improvement in the time. Doesn't an X50 996TT only get to 60 around .1 sec quicker than a regular turbo and that has 35hp more?
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MikeN said:I actually think it will do better than .1 second over the Boxster in an actual road test......again, have to wait and see.
Mike - 15hp is only around 5% increase. When it comes to 0-60 and 1/4 mile times, it usually takes alot more power to make a small improvement in the time. Doesn't an X50 996TT only get to 60 around .1 sec quicker than a regular turbo and that has 35hp more?
Grant, your probably right......I guess I'm still living in fantasy land thinking the Cayman would be 100-200lbs lighter than the Boxster S and therefore be a little quicker. But as I said, I think it will do better than .1 over the Boxster in a real world test......it will be interesting to see.
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"The strategy of varients works very well on the 911 side. There's no reason it can't be applied to our other model lines."
-What do you think this means? Other varients of the cayman?
It means variants of the Boxster - i.e. Cayman! Por$che are just milking the Cayman for as much money as they can con people for by advertising it as a "new model" when infact it is just a Boxster Coupe...
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Quite simply, unless the car gets absolutely glowing reviews from the press, they will be offering steep discounts quickly.
We here worry about extracting max performance, power to weight ratios, gearing, grip, torsional rigidity, etc. But in the end, enthusiasts sadly represent only a small fraction of the total buying public Porsche is interested in (I think we can all agree this is sad but painfully true). And if we are not impressed, why would all the people who just want a cool car to show off to people spend more money on a LESS flashy car? As far as looks and flashiness go, a drop top will always beat a coupe.
There will be people interested in the cayman for performance reasons, and willing to spend the premium for that little bit extra. Or simply just because they hate roadsters.
But they wont be nearly enough to keep this car selling at MSRP for very long.
My guess: Steep discounts very soon, followed by a power bump to get customers back within 1-2 years. Squeeze another 20hp out of the 3.4L or maybe even throw in the 3.6L. Sadly, I don't see the weight going down.
We here worry about extracting max performance, power to weight ratios, gearing, grip, torsional rigidity, etc. But in the end, enthusiasts sadly represent only a small fraction of the total buying public Porsche is interested in (I think we can all agree this is sad but painfully true). And if we are not impressed, why would all the people who just want a cool car to show off to people spend more money on a LESS flashy car? As far as looks and flashiness go, a drop top will always beat a coupe.
There will be people interested in the cayman for performance reasons, and willing to spend the premium for that little bit extra. Or simply just because they hate roadsters.
But they wont be nearly enough to keep this car selling at MSRP for very long.
My guess: Steep discounts very soon, followed by a power bump to get customers back within 1-2 years. Squeeze another 20hp out of the 3.4L or maybe even throw in the 3.6L. Sadly, I don't see the weight going down.
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Thanks for the article!
All along I was not expecting to see much, if any weight savings. Converibles are usually heavier, because they historically are developed after the coupe, and thus require extra chassis re-inforcement to make up for the loss in torsional rigidity. In this case, an already well designed roadster had a roof (with a large glass hatchback window, no less) added on. There probably was no practical (or economical) opportunity to re-engineer the body structure to get the weight down. So, we have a more rigid coupe of basically the same weight.
It will be interesting to see how this car does in the marketplace. I do think it is an excellent car already, but I agree a power increase to justify the $$ may not be that far in the future (and I still have the wild dream of a GT3 motored club sport....)
All along I was not expecting to see much, if any weight savings. Converibles are usually heavier, because they historically are developed after the coupe, and thus require extra chassis re-inforcement to make up for the loss in torsional rigidity. In this case, an already well designed roadster had a roof (with a large glass hatchback window, no less) added on. There probably was no practical (or economical) opportunity to re-engineer the body structure to get the weight down. So, we have a more rigid coupe of basically the same weight.
It will be interesting to see how this car does in the marketplace. I do think it is an excellent car already, but I agree a power increase to justify the $$ may not be that far in the future (and I still have the wild dream of a GT3 motored club sport....)
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In this case, an already well designed roadster had a roof (with a large glass hatchback window, no less) added on. There probably was no practical (or economical) opportunity to re-engineer the body structure to get the weight down. So, we have a more rigid coupe of basically the same weight.
Probably correct, but I remember reading an article about 6 mo. ago that had several comments from one of the chief engineers for the Cayman. He basically stated that so much re-engineering was needed for the Cayman, and that was one main reason it was going to cost more than the Boxster S.
So if they spent so much on re-engineering, its too bad they couldn't have re-engineered a little weight savings in the process.
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