05-May-2005 05:04:16
- badbradphx
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Detroit review
Take a guess.
http://info.detnews.com/autosconsumer/autoreviews/index.cfm?id=19314
05-May-2005 05:04:16
05-May-2005 06:20:53
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Our own homegrown Chevrolet Corvette convertible, which was also redesigned for 2005, happens to be my personal favorite in the class. For $51,000, it will run rings around the Boxster and its foreign pals all day long.
05-May-2005 06:57:59
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JimFlat6 said:
They liked the car and praised it.
But since they are not "Porsche centric," of course they are going to look at the price and shop.
The Detroit area is not exactly known for its autobahn and nearby alpine passes either, and its streets could easily bend several sets of lightweight 19 inch wheels into pretzels every year. And if you have ever spent any evenings in downtown Detroit, you know that a car with lots of torque that can make fast getaways is a good idea
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Our own homegrown Chevrolet Corvette convertible, which was also redesigned for 2005, happens to be my personal favorite in the class. For $51,000, it will run rings around the Boxster and its foreign pals all day long.
since when was the vette and boxster in the same class????
man, these are same type of people that behind that motor trend article where the vette beat out the 2 porsche's
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sdy284 said:Quote:
Our own homegrown Chevrolet Corvette convertible, which was also redesigned for 2005, happens to be my personal favorite in the class. For $51,000, it will run rings around the Boxster and its foreign pals all day long.
since when was the vette and boxster in the same class????
man, these are same type of people that behind that motor trend article where the vette beat out the 2 porsche's
For once we agree. The Corvette belongs in the same class as the 911. The Boxster (I love the car)belongs in a lower class like the Honda 2000 and the 360Z. They needed to treat the Boxster more fairly.
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Our own homegrown Chevrolet Corvette convertible, which was also redesigned for 2005, happens to be my personal favorite in the class. For $51,000, it will run rings around the Boxster and its foreign pals all day long.
Those rings...those would be donuts.
That and quartermile drags in front of Joe Sixpack and friends is about all american sportscars are good at.
I respect your view. I just see things differently.
The difference between the European sports cars (such as F's and P's) and the american counterparts (like the Vette and Ford GT) is like the difference between a can of Budweiser and a glass of Dom Perignon 52: Crude, butch and more focus on effect than taste versus refined and tasteful.
American car producers make great cruisers, luxury cars and huge SUVs and very fast and muscular sports cars.
But words like "classy", "subtle" and "refined" haven't made their way into the vocabulary of said producers.
I, too, am fascinated by Vettes, Ford GT, Shelbys and what have you, but I wouldn't call any of them a real sportscar.
On the straights they kick butt, but as soon as they meet a corner they're usually FUBARed.
And it is indeed pretty annoying in the long run, not being able to take fast corners with your new musclecar.
I know the Vette has been improved a lot, but it's still a cruiser for pumped up bodybuilders and wrestlers. Not a sportscar.
Just my 2 cents.
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sdy284 said:Quote:
Our own homegrown Chevrolet Corvette convertible, which was also redesigned for 2005, happens to be my personal favorite in the class. For $51,000, it will run rings around the Boxster and its foreign pals all day long.
since when was the vette and boxster in the same class????
man, these are same type of people that behind that motor trend article where the vette beat out the 2 porsche's
For once we agree. The Corvette belongs in the same class as the 911. The Boxster (I love the car)belongs in a lower class like the Honda 2000 and the 360Z. They needed to treat the Boxster more fairly.
If thats the case, then the Z06 is the real competitor for the F430 http://www.corvettesbyrickdaniel.com/C6Z06INFO.html
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JimFlat6 said:As a street car, they lack the elegence and precision of a Porsche, but on a track, Porsches elegance and precision just isnt enough to keep up anymore for a stock production vehicle class.
When pushed hard, Detroit iron is very competitive, when examined for paint kraftsmanship and french style seam stitching they lose. The paint gloss depth and seat leather quality doesnt mean much when you really want to use the "sport" part of the sports car. Its a changing auto world.
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Dr. Phil said:
To be honest, I have never watched any american sportscar series, be it stockcar, top fuel, (what's it called where they drive senselessly around and round in an oval?), any GT series or or the US Le Mans series.
Hence I have no idea how US cars are doing compared to european ones.
I am pretty sure that the story is different and the competition much closer when we talk modified cars.
Hell, in the German DTC series you'll see Opels beating Porsches.
No, I'm talking non-modified production cars.
I am absolutely open to the fact that US cars have improved - even in this area - but still haven't seen a thoroughbread US sportscar that can compete with Ferraris, Astons, Porsches etc and still have the poise, style and buildquality of these cars.
I'm sure any european sportscar can be beaten, no doubt.
Gimme a Mazda MX5 and a can of NOS and I'm there!
Maybe I'm biased because here in Denmark, usually only drugdealers and porn wholesalers drive Vettes, Trans Ams and the like. New or old.
and I may also be totally wrong about the Vettes actual performance, but from what I've heard and read it's still a Vette. (Hey! That rhymed!...I'm a songwriter!)
To me, comparing a Vette to a 911 is like comparing LL Cool J to Kiri Te Kanawa. It's just two different ways of being entertained.
Having said all this, I truly welcome any improvement our american friends can come up with. Hopefully we will see even better cars on both sides of the Pond in the years to come.
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JimFlat6 said:
Hey Doc, U no gettem satellite TV in bling bling Denmark?
Tell your government to use their silly speeding tax dollars to provide universal sattelite TV coverage NOW!
Sportscar racing in the US is nothing like dragster racing, stock car racing or circle dirt track sprint car racing that you mentioned.
Sportscar racing here means road like courses. Check out the tracks at Monterey, Sonoma, Atlanta,Watkins Glen etc.. These are very technical road courses,some of wich are near the worlds finest vineyards Regretfully we dont make a decent champagne, so one must drink the ordinairy Crystal that is usually stocked on shelves next to the handgun ammunition and chewing tobacco at Southern gas stations.
I donno what to say about your Danish porn wholesalers and dope dealers liking Corvettes and Firebirds. Here they seriously prefer Bentleys, Porsches, Mercedes and Ferraris. So I suppose our cash rich criminals have a better sense of style.
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brunner said:
Check out Taxi 1&2 while you're at it
Major lapsus going on here...
What was the name of the movie with a 911 (912?) Targa (i think) driven by a guy, chasing another classic car, driven by a lady, on the Riviere (i think)? Damn, I must be getting old
06-May-2005 05:12:07
06-May-2005 06:16:10
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wtsnet said:
Over here, if you want a car that can kick a Porsche's butt for half the price, you buy an Impreza WRX or an Evo. (And those have only 2 litre engines!)
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Ente said:
Cruising down Daytona beach in a Ferrari or an Audi is nice but lacks authenticity in a hard to describe way.. it's gotta be a Mustang convertible. Watching a Nascar race demands a Bud in your hand, not a glass of champagne.