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nberry said:
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Jim Carey apparently likes Porsche. Another rich moviestar might have gotten them all Saville Row suits or Van Cleef & Arpels rocks. Who knows?
I know Steven Spielberg bought a Mazda MX5 for each of the stars of "Always" back in 1989 (John Goodman, Holly Hunter, Richard Dreyfuss) after the movie was done (he didnt care much about the crew...).
Tom Cruise booked a whole movie theatre for the crew of "Far and Away" and served popcorn and soda during a full night of movies. Elvis bought Cadillacs for almost anybody he ever met...so whos to say what is exclusive or not.
I'm sure that getting any gift from any moviestar would feel exclusive to most people, and I'm pretty sure the 4 people who received a Porsche don't spend much time bitching about whether a Ferrari would have been better.
Nick likes Ferrari and likes to make that clear to all of us - sometimes less diplomatically than others.
But honestly.
Even driving, let alone owning either car brand puts any person in a pretty exclusive group of people.
I know this is a sportscar forum, and that people therefore discuss these matters, but sometimes we need to pull our heads out of our own a55es and get a reality check.
"Which car is more exclusive: Porsche or Ferrari".
Hello? Don't we have more vital things to fight about?
Peace!
what you get with Ferrari is price stability something Porsche has abandoned years ago.
With Porsche it is all about profits. Nothing wrong with that so long it is not at financial disadvantage of its customers.
yes, so long as you've been arse raped at least once, give your dealer an obligatory arse rape 7 to 10% commission on all your fcar trades (er: consigns) when (s)he bones the new guy, and you are then able to buy at MSRP (unlike pcar buyers who often buy well under MSRP right off the bat). price stability is the last thing the arse rapee @ $50 to $60k over MSRP will experience. or the guy who has to pay the 7% to 10% commission + on top of MSRP for used models.
with ferrari dealers it's all about profits.
nothing wrong with that so long as it is not at financial disadvantage of its customers (ie: $50k to $60k over MSRP and then 7% to 10% of your trade in next time). then of course, it's all about $15k 15k mile services usually well under 15k miles.
i will say one thing about porsche, it may suck to lose so much dough, but at least you get a car when you want it (usually well below MSRP), don't have to kiss your dealer's arse, can drive the balls off it, and don't get abused in the service dept. the ferrari on the other hand will leave you without a car while you wait for yours to arrive after playing the consign game, will require low mileage as well as pristine condition to be maintained for "price stability", and will *uck you brutally in the service dept. this lack of exclusitivity on the pcar is what allows me to drive the crap out of my ceramic brakes and spend 1/2 what fcar owners are charged for the same brakes for replacement. paying $30k for a brake job on a ceramic equipped fcar vs. $15k for the pcar is not my idea of price stability. nor is $1k vs. $500 for front pads. nor is the $15k hammer job many 360 owners experienced at the 15k service - even when many didn't even have anywhere near 15k miles! (the same service probably won't even run you $1k in the pcar). the 430's move to chains vs. belts will somewhat minimize that but the 360s were famous for numerous design defects which left owners paying out of pocket for what should have been warranty (ie: cam actuators, etc).
all that said, ferraris are great cars and a blast to drive and listen to if you can get past all the sleezy goings on before, during and after ownership. but, buying pcars well below MSRP, enjoying a multiple of miles to that of an fcar, not having your wallet emptied in service, and not having to give up 7% to 10% of it's value when you are ready to sell it to get another one well under MSRP with minimal to no wait, ain't the worst thing in the world either. fwiw, higher insurance and sales tax difference along with the opportunity cost on the cash or interest diff also need be factored into the equation if we're talking about money. don't forget too you also pay sales tax on the INTEREST on a lease too. hence, keeping a car over 5 years will not result in appreciably less sales tax than if you'd have just written a check at the time of purchase instead of leasing (which often has pre-pay penalties for early termination).
i'll grant you i saw SIX 911s (all 996s: coupes, cabs, c4s, TTs) at the torrey pines/lj parkway intersection today which is important to some. i'm not going to judge that exclusitivity thing even though it is irrelevant to me. and ferrari has told at least one of my friends to take his 430 to the track to break it in while us pcar owners live in fear of warranty denial for using the car similarly - after they're broken in even. i really think if you weigh it all, it's hard to argue one is that much better a deal than the other.