Apr 24, 2005 12:00:25 PM
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JimFlat6 said:
Porsche at least nailed the GT category right when they built the 928 GTS.
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MKW said:I tried so hard to like/buy the " flagship " 928 GT/GTS through it's many iterations over the years , but to me it always felt like driving a truck when compared to my concurrent 911s back then.
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MKW said:
Why compare the M5 to the Porsche 911 in a negative way ? Aren't they COMPLIMENTARY ? I'm getting a 997 Turbo AND a new M5.
Most people around here in the US see it as the "all around" sportiest of the E55/RS6/M5 super sports 4 dr sedan triumvirate available to the US customer who is interested only in German cars .
Who choses BETWEEN a 911 and an M5 as their ONLY car ?
Most 997 Turbo owners have a need for a sedan , too, you know , as the 911 is a third or fourth car in our stables .
Cherish the choices we have , not belittle them.
I don't get it .
( BTW, since M6 may now come with the OEM M-specific Pirelli P Zero Corsa tires as above , which prev came OEM on the M3 CSL, Challenge Stradale and GT3RS , which most acknowledge as one of the main reasons those models are much quicker around a track than their lessor brothers , why not believe an M6 ring time a few seconds faster than previous testings , as that alone would yield the greatest decrease in track times off the showroom floor )
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MKW said:I tried so hard to like/buy the " flagship " 928 GT/GTS through it's many iterations over the years , but to me it always felt like driving a truck when compared to my concurrent 911s back then.
Agreed - but it's sad to note that the old heavy "truck" 928 (compared to its contemporary 911's) is now lighter than most 911's of today (especially the earlier 928's)...
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JimFlat6 said:
The 94-95 928 GTS weighed 3593 lbs,had 326hp, 0-60 in 5,2 sec and a top speed of 180mph. Those are factory figures.
I bet it would turn in very competitive lap times and skidpad numbers versus a new M6 by simply upgrading to 19" wheels and current state of the art tires. It has better weight distribution, brakes, a lower center of gravity and the rear suspension provides for a slight rear wheel steering effect.
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VKSF said:
MKW, are you getting an early M5... Hope you're plugged-in w/a good SF BMW dealer for svc...know a few guys who left BMW fold as dealers seem to be more attuned to addressing time and quality constraints of typical 3-series buyer (now I understand why BMW always seems to price at a discount to Merc, despite the poor quality cloud over Merc). Let's hope the high-revving M5 engine doesn't suffer the same fate as the M3's.....they've had 3-4 yrs to figure out the M3, right? Who knows, maybe in a couple of yrs BMW will have guts to offer a competent $9K ceramic brakes option, so when motor actually runs, one has ability to stop car effectively as well
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VKSF said:
MKW, are you getting an early M5... Hope you're plugged-in w/a good SF BMW dealer for svc...know a few guys who left BMW fold as dealers seem to be more attuned to addressing time and quality constraints of typical 3-series buyer (now I understand why BMW always seems to price at a discount to Merc, despite the poor quality cloud over Merc). Let's hope the high-revving M5 engine doesn't suffer the same fate as the M3's.....they've had 3-4 yrs to figure out the M3, right? Who knows, maybe in a couple of yrs BMW will have guts to offer a competent $9K ceramic brakes option, so when motor actually runs, one has ability to stop car effectively as well
My 996 Turbo has been flat bedded 4 times and nearly caught fire one of those times . I'm number 2 at my dealer for the 997 Turbo , lol !
My M5 is MSRP max since I developed land and am considered a business neighbor - I hear they are charging market price for many on their list - yikes . If the M5 has teething problems, that's what a warranty is for and who with any sense would keep any modern car beyond orig or factory ext warranty ? .BMW/Porshe/MBZ are all walking distance from my new building - something my wife says I did on purpose. Having owned these brands for decades , it's GOOD to be next door, as all 3 break down all the time .
Apr 29, 2005 3:57:18 PM
Apr 29, 2005 4:19:16 PM
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MKW said:
The M6 should be compared with a CL 55, Bentley Continental GT- that sort of car , i.e., 4000 plus lb luxury GTs with higher HP , not a 997S which ,although getting more lux, is still a sports car . Might as well compare an M6 to a Ferrari 355 or 360 a Corvette , while they are at it .
I guess it's a grudging testament to the respect M cars have that mag editors keep doing this , like the 4000 lb M5 vs 3300 lb 997S comparos also . Imagine a serious , not flippant , front page comparo between a CL 55 vs a 997 S .
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MKW, are you getting an early M5... Hope you're plugged-in w/a good SF BMW dealer for svc...know a few guys who left BMW fold as dealers seem to be more attuned to addressing time and quality constraints of typical 3-series buyer (now I understand why BMW always seems to price at a discount to Merc, despite the poor quality cloud over Merc). Let's hope the high-revving M5 engine doesn't suffer the same fate as the M3's.....they've had 3-4 yrs to figure out the M3, right? Who knows, maybe in a couple of yrs BMW will have guts to offer a competent $9K ceramic brakes option, so when motor actually runs, one has ability to stop car effectively as well
My 996 Turbo has been flat bedded 4 times and nearly caught fire one of those times . I'm number 2 at my dealer for the 997 Turbo , lol !
My M5 is MSRP max since I developed land and am considered a business neighbor - I hear they are charging market price for many on their list - yikes . If the M5 has teething problems, that's what a warranty is for and who with any sense would keep any modern car beyond orig or factory ext warranty ? .BMW/Porshe/MBZ are all walking distance from my new building - something my wife says I did on purpose. Having owned these brands for decades , it's GOOD to be next door, as all 3 break down all the time .
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I guess my wife has forgotten that she swore she would never drive another Bimmer again after her 5 series in the early 90's left her stranded 3 times at the side of the road - twice on Stanford University grounds . But with MBZ and Porsche " reliabilty " as they are these days , she figures they are all just as bad .
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BTW, may want to remind wife that there aren't many safer settings to be stranded by a car than Stanford's campus....OK, maybe West Atherton (esp near the MenloCC)...but just stay away from Redwood City, East Palo Alto, etc until car proves robust (and maybe even after that)....
Well, the third time was in East Palo Alto with a flat tire that popped on the Dumbarton Bridge - but by then she blamed it on BMW's choice of tire , ' cause she was so pi**ed with the " bad karma " of the car . That was in the days when EPA had the highest murder rate per capita in the US.
Apr 30, 2005 4:32:04 AM
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easy_rider911 said:
RC, you should see this week's autocar article which compares the new M6 with the 997S. It's reassuring to read that the reviewers at Autocar much preferred the 997S for its superior handling, steering feel and braking.
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MKW said:
That was in the days when EPA had the highest murder rate per capita in the US.
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The new M5 is a very fast car and I like it. But it is no sportscar.