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vtrader said:
I have to drive to Connecticut all the time and have never had any problems.

I have also been pulled over in my Porsche at a high speed and attitude goes a long way. I also know that the US is ruled by law. If I drive my car over the threshold where I can be arrested, I have no one else to blame but myself. Every time I drive my car at 125mph in California, I know if I get caught I can be arrested. That is the risk I take for that.

As an attorney, you should know that being late or missing a court date is a big no no. I find it incredible that you did both of those things.

USA plates? I thought those were given to US citizens or residents that were living abroad who were working for the government (i.e. military or their families)

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Dilinger said:
where are you going vtrader?

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Dilinger said:
well i m sorry for law-and-order-friends and addicts

but some law organs suck so much that i say go fuc them!

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vtrader said:
If you follow the law the law will leave you alone. Period.

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vtrader said:

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Dilinger said:
where are you going vtrader?

The first rule is never argue with the cops. That will get you in more trouble.

The second and more important thing is to appear in court when required. You miss a court date or are late and then you get the judge mad at you.

An attorney is a court officer and should know about this things.

Connecticut or the US is not a police state. If you follow the law the law will leave you alone. Period.

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FixedWing said:
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If you are a lawyer, please tell me the last time you were shackled and led away for being five minutes late to a hearing in a courtroom you weren't scheduled to be in and before a judge you weren't schedule to be before. Doesn't that strike you as the slightest bit abusive?

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Stradale said:
Friends and I use the word "bent" all the time but we always use it to describe someone that is 'upset' or 'pissed off'.
I've never heard your meaning of that word before.

I know the meaning you mean "getting bent out of shape". In England there is also an old meaning of crooked or criminal.

Bent as in homosexual seems to be the current slang use for the word and the only one that fit the context.

But in the end, who knows what the officer meant? Only he did. All you can do is look at what he said and how he said it and try to figure out what his meaning was. Given the way he acted and the totality of it all, I would have a very hard time ascribing a good meaning to his words.

Stephen

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Stradale said:
I lived 4 years in CT while I went to University of Hartford. I often used the word "bent" and heard it used describing someone that is 'bent out of shape'.
In your first message here you want to convict the cop of "inappropriate verbal comments regarding defendant" because he used the word "bent" but now you admit to knowing it is often used to refer to someone that is 'upset' instead of calling you a homo.
Doesn't sound like the cop did anything wrong and if your subsequent attitude is anything like the night you got arrested for traveling at 99mph then he showed a lot of restraint.
You got caught speeding, missed your court date and think someone wronged you ? You sounds like someone who would give the cops a hard time when they're just trying to do their job.
I love to go fast too. I got stopped for a 96mph in a 55 on the Long Island Expressway in my M5. At 96 I was slowing down. When the cop came up to my door I was as humble as one can possibly get. After 3 tickets he let me go. I went to court paid the fine and now the ticket is off my license.
I would love to hear your WHOLE story as told by the cop because the way you tell the story it's as if you had the right to drive at 99.

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jboyko said:
I completely find it disturbing, to hear that one of my fellow citizens had been denied their civil liberties, by the increasing presence of a Police State. But come-on, we all know the unwritten rule that 30 over could land you in jail. Also, I don't know why you keep spouting Audi/homosexual connotations. I never said anything about that, and it's not like you were driving a Boxter (just kidding).

jb

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nberry said:
What puzzles me is what started all this? Was it because he refused to answer questions. If so, then Stephen has a right to be upset. There is no reason for a police office to behave the way this one did, assuming what Stephen said is correct.

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jboyko said:
One of the guys that I work with was driving his new 745 and was pulled over by a black police officer; he also is black (African American if you so choose. The officer asked him where he was going, and my collegue told him that he didn't have to answer that question. That's the difference. My friend did nothing, (except DWB) and you were going 34 over, for no apparent reason. I would agree that the cop was probably a Neo-Nazi scumbag, but with no given explanation, Barney Fife would have hauled you in.

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vtrader said:

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If you are a lawyer, please tell me the last time you were shackled and led away for being five minutes late to a hearing in a courtroom you weren't scheduled to be in and before a judge you weren't schedule to be before. Doesn't that strike you as the slightest bit abusive?

I do not find this abusive. Your are an attorney, you more than any one else know about the law....

As far as the 125mph, I choose to live in California where the limits for arrest are higher. In Connecticut, the limits are 20 mph. I was there over the weekend and on one stretch of road, I limited my speed to a maximum of 20 mph over the speed limit so if I did get caught, I would not be arrested. I chose not to take that risk.

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FixedWing said:

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Stradale said:
I lived 4 years in CT while I went to University of Hartford. I often used the word "bent" and heard it used describing someone that is 'bent out of shape'.
In your first message here you want to convict the cop of "inappropriate verbal comments regarding defendant" because he used the word "bent" but now you admit to knowing it is often used to refer to someone that is 'upset' instead of calling you a homo.
Doesn't sound like the cop did anything wrong and if your subsequent attitude is anything like the night you got arrested for traveling at 99mph then he showed a lot of restraint.
You got caught speeding, missed your court date and think someone wronged you ? You sounds like someone who would give the cops a hard time when they're just trying to do their job.
I love to go fast too. I got stopped for a 96mph in a 55 on the Long Island Expressway in my M5. At 96 I was slowing down. When the cop came up to my door I was as humble as one can possibly get. After 3 tickets he let me go. I went to court paid the fine and now the ticket is off my license.
I would love to hear your WHOLE story as told by the cop because the way you tell the story it's as if you had the right to drive at 99.

You are making a lot of assumptions.

You fixate on the "bent" comment but that comment wasn't spoken in isolation. What about the rest? Do you consider it appropriate for police to use the "F" word and "A" word repeatedly to describe a citizen? How about comments as to his sexuality or size? That's ok also? You really seem to be reading through this very selectively. Is there a reason for this that we're not aware of?

My subsequent attitude? On the night I was as polite as I could be. Who wouldn't I be if they had just been stopped like that? We all want to try to make a good impression for obvious reasons. I answered 13 questions before I finally told him I wasn't going to answer any more questions. It was clear from his questions that he was attempting to get evidence to charge me with additional crimes. He told me I had better re-think that decision or he would arrest me. And then he arrested me. Given the situation, I know that I made the only sensible decision I could make under the circumstances.

As for your 96 MPH in a 55 zone ... do you hear me arguing about the validity of the charge? That just isn't the issue here.

And no one has addressed the fact that my driving privileges were suspended for five weeks through administrative negligence and through no fault of my own. You wouldn't have a problem with that if it happened to you?

Stephen

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Dilinger said:
i dont want to take official stand ,because in any case we should here both sides, but we are not putting you on trial. I m for sure sorry for your little adventure.
I dont assume tat you went for trouble.

The only thing i disagree-if i may- is that when you selected to exercise your right for silence you pissed the uneducated police officer off.

And given the fact that you are a lawyer you better than all should know that, you could speak to him,and avoid anything that would put you in a worst position.

My feeling is, that, if you speaked to him you could ease his anger.
But sometimes refusing to speak,and istead choosing silence is a way to irritate the other side and even sometimes [censored] him really off.

That is what i think you should avoided it.

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Stradale said:
So what if the cop cursed. He was pulling over someone that was doing 99mph. I'm sure his adrenalin was pumping. I bet if you had to risk your life to catch up to someone that was traveling that fast you would probably be using curse words too. I just don't have any problem with the cop using the word a hole to describe a person doing 99.

Now I know why you were arrested. You should have kept answering the cops questions. There's been times that I've gotten off on speeding tickets because I was brutaly honest. You see it's part of their training to establish whether you're telling the truth or not. If you're lying you could be doing so to hide something else. Drugs perhaps. The only way to establish this is by asking you questions. What they will do is ask you a series of questions then come back to the first or second question to see if you give them the same answer. You stopped cooperating so the cop really had no choice. You could have been speeding because you were running from a hold up or something. Until he could be certain that you were telling the truth and speeding because of "x" or "y" it is his duty to arrest you.

""And no one has addressed the fact that my driving privileges were suspended for five weeks through administrative negligence and through no fault of my own. You wouldn't have a problem with that if it happened to you?"
-You play, you pay.
You should direct your energy towards something else and move on.

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jboyko said:
Wow, I can't believe that our session is over so soon. We were really making progress. OK, group hugs everyone, and I'll see all of you next week.

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vtrader said:

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Dilinger said:
where are you going vtrader?

Connecticut or the US is not a police state. If you follow the law the law will leave you alone. Period.

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mav21386 said:
dont be a hypocrite

I speed everytime I'm behind the wheel. You missed the point.

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FixedWing said:

You really consider it reasonable to be shackled and led away for being 5 minutes late before a judge you are not even supposed to be before? Incredible! Incidentally, the prosecutor was also late on the same occasion and by the same amount of time. She was not shackled and led away. She was not censured or criticized in any way. Reasonable also?

You are wrong about speeding in Connecticut. Both Speeding and Reckless Driving are misdemeanours in Connecticut. That means it is entirely the discretion of the officer whether or not to arrest. It is not normal to arrest for either offence but he can. So it you wish to avoid being arrested I suggest you do not exceed the speed limits.

Stephen

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Stradale said:

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FixedWing said:

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Stradale said:
I lived 4 years in CT while I went to University of Hartford. I often used the word "bent" and heard it used describing someone that is 'bent out of shape'.
In your first message here you want to convict the cop of "inappropriate verbal comments regarding defendant" because he used the word "bent" but now you admit to knowing it is often used to refer to someone that is 'upset' instead of calling you a homo.
Doesn't sound like the cop did anything wrong and if your subsequent attitude is anything like the night you got arrested for traveling at 99mph then he showed a lot of restraint.
You got caught speeding, missed your court date and think someone wronged you ? You sounds like someone who would give the cops a hard time when they're just trying to do their job.
I love to go fast too. I got stopped for a 96mph in a 55 on the Long Island Expressway in my M5. At 96 I was slowing down. When the cop came up to my door I was as humble as one can possibly get. After 3 tickets he let me go. I went to court paid the fine and now the ticket is off my license.
I would love to hear your WHOLE story as told by the cop because the way you tell the story it's as if you had the right to drive at 99.

You are making a lot of assumptions.

You fixate on the "bent" comment but that comment wasn't spoken in isolation. What about the rest? Do you consider it appropriate for police to use the "F" word and "A" word repeatedly to describe a citizen? How about comments as to his sexuality or size? That's ok also? You really seem to be reading through this very selectively. Is there a reason for this that we're not aware of?

My subsequent attitude? On the night I was as polite as I could be. Who wouldn't I be if they had just been stopped like that? We all want to try to make a good impression for obvious reasons. I answered 13 questions before I finally told him I wasn't going to answer any more questions. It was clear from his questions that he was attempting to get evidence to charge me with additional crimes. He told me I had better re-think that decision or he would arrest me. And then he arrested me. Given the situation, I know that I made the only sensible decision I could make under the circumstances.

As for your 96 MPH in a 55 zone ... do you hear me arguing about the validity of the charge? That just isn't the issue here.

And no one has addressed the fact that my driving privileges were suspended for five weeks through administrative negligence and through no fault of my own. You wouldn't have a problem with that if it happened to you?

Stephen

So what if the cop cursed. He was pulling over someone that was doing 99mph. I'm sure his adrenalin was pumping. I bet if you had to risk your life to catch up to someone that was traveling that fast you would probably be using curse words too. I just don't have any problem with the cop using the word a hole to describe a person doing 99.

Now I know why you were arrested. You should have kept answering the cops questions. There's been times that I've gotten off on speeding tickets because I was brutaly honest. You see it's part of their training to establish whether you're telling the truth or not. If you're lying you could be doing so to hide something else. Drugs perhaps. The only way to establish this is by asking you questions. What they will do is ask you a series of questions then come back to the first or second question to see if you give them the same answer. You stopped cooperating so the cop really had no choice. You could have been speeding because you were running from a hold up or something. Until he could be certain that you were telling the truth and speeding because of "x" or "y" it is his duty to arrest you.

""And no one has addressed the fact that my driving privileges were suspended for five weeks through administrative negligence and through no fault of my own. You wouldn't have a problem with that if it happened to you?"
-You play, you pay.
You should direct your energy towards something else and move on.

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vtrader said:
Question, why did the notices go to a wrong address? Did you tell the DMV of your new address? You know as an attorney, that the notices are a couresty item and it is your obligation to find out when the court appearances are required. A simple phone call to the court would have confimed this. When I got my speeding ticket last month, the first thing the CHP officer said was "A courtesy letter should arrive in a few weeks, if you do not receive one, call the court house."

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dude wtf is your problem, why dont you shut the [censored] up and play hide and go [censored] yourself. Also write your little hypocritical comments somewhere else douchebag.

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krown05 said:
Wow....sorry to hear about that man. That patrolman is nothing short of a , not to mention the rest of the state legal community. Good luck with the waiting period.

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FixedWing said:
It was not an issue of the address on file with the DMV. It was a license issued by Hongkong. Hence my caution in making sure that they had the correct address.
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So again, where is my culpability in all of this? Why was I justified in having my driving privileges suspended for five weeks?

Stephen