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    Re: Gordon Murray - T.50

    MR2 front and retro1930s rear but I like it.


    Re: Gordon Murray - T.50

    To me the beauty of this car isn’t in the looks. If it’s as engaging to drive and as quick as I think it will be it’s a ‘beautiful’ car in my eyes. 


    Re: Gordon Murray - T.50

    neunelf:

    To me the beauty of this car isn’t in the looks. If it’s as engaging to drive and as quick as I think it will be it’s a ‘beautiful’ car in my eyes. 

    +1 in fact, I wager it will even make it more special and coveted.


    Re: Gordon Murray - T.50

    A fascinating interview about the history of the MP4/4 and MP4/5.  It doesn’t surprise me though as brilliant as Gordon Murray is he can come across as a self aggrandizing salesman.  I think the most damning piece of evidence is the letter from the heads, engineers, machinists of the F1 team.

    Steve Nichols & The McLaren MP4/4


    Re: Gordon Murray - T.50

    Old story. To be fair, it seems it is true. most of 4/4 design was Nichols, the car being an evolution of 4/3 (slightly bulkier package with porsche engine). I think Murray also took a part, however his thesis: look at my bt55 and then 4/4 and you will see it is my car are funny. Totally different cars in fact)))


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    Re: Gordon Murray - T.50

    Love it - thanks for posting!


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    Re: Gordon Murray - T.50

    That sounds utterly brilliant. Why they had to give it such horrible looks is beyond me, perhaps the présence is different IRL...


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    Re: Gordon Murray - T.50

    The sound of that thing is absolutely ridiculous,, it sounds better than anything else on the market by so much its not even on the same galaxy as the rest, save maybe the Valkyrie.

    The looks are like if it was designed in the 90s, but with a sound like that and likely a handling and driver's experience behind the wheel to match, it can get away with looking like anything it wants, other supercars can't say the same.


    Re: Gordon Murray - T.50

    Epic car - to me the best product currently in that space


    Re: Gordon Murray - T.50

    Carlos from Spain:

    The sound of that thing is absolutely ridiculous,, it sounds better than anything else on the market by so much its not even on the same galaxy as the rest, save maybe the Valkyrie.

    The looks are like if it was designed in the 90s, but with a sound like that and likely a handling and driver's experience behind the wheel to match, it can get away with looking like anything it wants, other supercars can't say the same.

    I feel like everytime the T.50 publishes an update it amplifies the failures of the Valkyrie program. 


    Re: Gordon Murray - T.50

    For those that don't like the look of the T.50, there is the T.33

    For me these two cars are more exiting then any of the other super cars. Maybe because they look ''less''....


    Re: Gordon Murray - T.50

    Gnil:

    For those that don't like the look of the T.50, there is the T.33

    For me these two cars are more exiting then any of the other super cars. Maybe because they look ''less''....

    I love these cars too Smiley


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    22 GT3 Manual, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 18 GT3 Manual, 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi


    Re: Gordon Murray - T.50

    Grant:
    Gnil:

    For those that don't like the look of the T.50, there is the T.33

    For me these two cars are more exiting then any of the other super cars. Maybe because they look ''less''....

    I love these cars too Smiley

    maybe the engine has something to do with it Smiley


    Re: Gordon Murray - T.50

    Gnil:
    Grant:
    Gnil:

    For those that don't like the look of the T.50, there is the T.33

    For me these two cars are more exiting then any of the other super cars. Maybe because they look ''less''....

    I love these cars too Smiley

    maybe the engine has something to do with it Smiley

    Yes, and connected to a manual gearbox with a shifter suitable for an art museum doesn’t hurt indecision


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    22 GT3 Manual, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 18 GT3 Manual, 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi


    Re: Gordon Murray - T.50

    I love how tiny it is, perfect for those roads. 👌🏼


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    Re: Gordon Murray - T.50

    A lot of T50 "fan" boys here wink. I get it - small, light, manual, glorious engine . However , it remains unforgivably hideous.


    Re: Gordon Murray - T.50

    crayphile:

    A lot of T50 "fan" boys here wink. I get it - small, light, manual, glorious engine . However , it remains unforgivably hideous.

    Just get it in black and always park backing in Smiley


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    Re: Gordon Murray - T.50

    As technically advanced as it may be, appearance of this thing looks almost comical.
    Can’t hold a candle to the F1 in the looks-derpartment. enlightened


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    We're at the point where you can be the fastest or just sound like you're the fastest.



    The secret of life is to admire without desiring.


    Re: Gordon Murray - T.50

    Rossi:

    As technically advanced as it may be, appearance of this thing looks almost comical.
    Can’t hold a candle to the F1 in the looks-derpartment. enlightened

    If this car had a prettier competitor, then I agree it might be an issue.  But this car is in a class of 1 (or 2 if you include its brother T.33 which is a bit better looking).

    Where else can you get NA V12 lightweight mid-engined car with manual gearbox and 12,100 rpm ??


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    22 GT3 Manual, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 18 GT3 Manual, 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

     


    Re: Gordon Murray - T.50

    Grant:
    Rossi:

    As technically advanced as it may be, appearance of this thing looks almost comical.
    Can’t hold a candle to the F1 in the looks-derpartment. enlightened

    If this car had a prettier competitor, then I agree it might be an issue.  But this car is in a class of 1 (or 2 if you include its brother T.33 which is a bit better looking).

    Where else can you get NA V12 lightweight mid-engined car with manual gearbox and 12,100 rpm ??


    I agree with all what you say, Grant, but this thing just looks so awful. Smiley


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    We're at the point where you can be the fastest or just sound like you're the fastest.



    The secret of life is to admire without desiring.


    Re: Gordon Murray - T.50

    Looks very softly sprung, or maybe it's the fan making it porpoise.


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    Re: Gordon Murray - T.50

    Gordon Murray T.50 Final Sign-Off Drive...  E0F26BDD-E91B-4EF4-964B-7C4204B9E420.gif

    ...turn up the volume! Smiley

    "It's time. After all the development documented by Dario Franchitti MBE, Professor Gordon Murray CBE completes his T.50 sign-off drive..."

    Video Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgZHrzo7SG4

    Smiley


    Re: Gordon Murray - T.50

    Rossi:

    As technically advanced as it may be, appearance of this thing looks almost comical.
    Can’t hold a candle to the F1 in the looks-derpartment. enlightened

    This happens when someone tries to combine a classic look with modern tech and legal requirements. Smiley Smiley


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    Re: Gordon Murray - T.50

    I know I may get flamed for saying this but I love it! even it's looks, because it's form follows function taken to the extreme in an irreverent way, it's looks is a flick of the middle finger of a 100% driver focused concept car to the flamboyant poseur supercars of nowadays, from the seating position to the way it can take up a rough narrow road and still deliver enjoyment, and that engine is just orgasmic in a world of cheap HP turbocharged one dimensional engines. Many will not agree but to me this car is royalty among the supercars, with the exception of the Aston valkyrie. 


    Re: Gordon Murray - T.50

    In the looks, sometimes less is more in the long run.  Back to basics. I like too kiss. Even have come to like the fan indecision


    Re: Gordon Murray - T.50

    I agree with both of you. The worst thing in the car are the headlights IMO, they are just so damn oversized!


     
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