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    Apr 12, 2005 7:19:43 AM

    ALDOM
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    powerkit and widebody confirmed

    Hello,

    just for the one waiting for more informations about powerkit and widebody.

    Today I have got information from a serious source, that the widebody will be presented at the IAA 2005 and later in 2005 the powerkit. Both can be ordered this year and the first delivery will be for both options this year. The widebody only for C4 and not for the cab versions. Widebody without red stripe reflector at the back as the 996 C4S did have. Wideboy will be 40 mm wider then 997 S. The powerkit option will start little bit later, but still in 2005.

    Greetings

    AM

    Apr 12, 2005 7:44:25 AM

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    Re: powerkit and widebody confirmed

    when will anyone have a pic, this car is supposed to be on the road in september!

    Apr 12, 2005 8:29:59 AM

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    Re: powerkit and widebody confirmed

    and the powerkit is based only on 3.8 or also 3.6?

    Apr 12, 2005 10:49:21 AM

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    Re: powerkit and widebody confirmed

    Quote:
    stone said:
    when will anyone have a pic, this car is supposed to be on the road in september!



    My source did have see the car. Everybody will see that the car is wider (remember the discussion in the last month is it or is it not). The 40 mm is relativ easy to see. What it will not have is any special back lights like the 996 C4S had. If there will be some changes in the front or regarding brakes and suspension he didn't tell me or he didn't know. 10.000 Euro should be the price for the widebody, so there should be more for that money then only 40 mm.

    Greetings

    AM

    Apr 12, 2005 11:54:48 AM

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    Re: powerkit and widebody confirmed

    i guess the widebody will be offered for the S as it will need the larger back tires for the harmonic looks.

    And if they put these 295 back tyres to the base model they ll kill it

    Apr 12, 2005 12:43:27 PM

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    Re: powerkit and widebody confirmed

    Quote:
    Dilinger said:
    and the powerkit is based only on 3.8 or also 3.6?



    Powerkit is based on the 3.8 l engine (M97) and will be available for the 997 Carrera S only. Power is 380 HP.

    The Carrera 4 (without S!) is rumoured to get the wider body, width seems to be around 40 mm more than on the Carrera S (overall width, not on each side).
    Power is rumoured to be 355 HP (same as Carrera S).

    A Carrera 4 S is rumoured to be available too sooner or later, power will be 380 HP (powerkit).

    Nice trick to earn more money.

    Apr 12, 2005 12:45:26 PM

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    Re: powerkit and widebody confirmed

    The next obvious bit of trivia we need is the cost of the powerkit, both factory-installed, and dealer-installed.

    Apr 12, 2005 12:50:26 PM

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    Re: powerkit and widebody confirmed

    Quote:
    RC said:
    Power is rumoured to be 355 HP (same as Carrera S).




    So it will have the same engine as the Carrera S (3.8l)?
    Or are they going to extract 355 HP from the 3.6l?

    Apr 12, 2005 1:41:20 PM

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    Re: powerkit and widebody confirmed

    well this seems the stupiest and trickiest marketing strategy ever.

    Making a carrera 4 with 355 hp means probably equiped with 3.8 LT

    First of all excludes the base models customers than are satisfyed with the 325 HP but just need the AWD for security feeling or for weather conditions.


    Moreover putting in the carrera 4 -which will already be more expensive-the 3.8 will make it even more expensive that the 996 carrera 4.

    So until now


    996 carrera almost the same as 997 carrera base
    997S a little more.
    997 carrera 4 will be more expensive than 996 carrera 4
    and 997 4S will be even more expensive with 380HP


    The strange thing is that the widebody is offered in the Wrong Model!

    It is more desirable to have the wide body along with 380 HP than have it with 355.

    Because the widebody it is mostly targeting the devoted enthusiast of Porsche.

    And guess what ,the devoted enthusiast will also want the 380HP !!! And if he has to choose between 380HP and 355HP widebody my guess is he will go for the 380HP !


    Maybe all these are just wrong rumors once again.Otherwise it is a completely wrong strategy

    Apr 12, 2005 2:11:07 PM

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    Re: powerkit and widebody confirmed

    Quote:
    Dilinger said:
    well this seems the stupiest and trickiest marketing strategy ever.

    Making a carrera 4 with 355 hp means probably equiped with 3.8 LT

    First of all excludes the base models customers than are satisfyed with the 325 HP but just need the AWD for security feeling or for weather conditions.


    Moreover putting in the carrera 4 -which will already be more expensive-the 3.8 will make it even more expensive that the 996 carrera 4.

    So until now


    996 carrera almost the same as 997 carrera base
    997S a little more.
    997 carrera 4 will be more expensive than 996 carrera 4
    and 997 4S will be even more expensive with 380HP


    The strange thing is that the widebody is offered in the Wrong Model!

    It is more desirable to have the wide body along with 380 HP than have it with 355.

    Because the widebody it is mostly targeting the devoted enthusiast of Porsche.

    And guess what ,the devoted enthusiast will also want the 380HP !!! And if he has to choose between 380HP and 355HP widebody my guess is he will go for the 380HP !


    Maybe all these are just wrong rumors once again.Otherwise it is a completely wrong strategy



    Dilinger,

    I agree with you, in my opinion the widebody should have 380 hp as standard. The powerkit could be an option for all other 3.8l cars.

    Maybe even you are right, my information told me that the widebody will come sooner as the powerkit. This statement don't exlcude that the widebody will have 380 hp standard. But widebody and 380 hp for only 10.000 Euro more seams to be to cheap to be true.

    Possible:

    3,6l: C2, C4, C2 cab, C4 cab without powerkit option

    3,8l: C2S, C4(S) and C2S cab and C4(S) cab with powerkit option

    3,8l 380 hp C4(S) widebody (10.000 Euro more expenisve then 3.8l C4(S)???)

    So only one widebody car with awd and 380 hp.

    Greetings

    AM

    Apr 12, 2005 2:30:53 PM

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    Re: powerkit and widebody confirmed

    i have many doubts about this "hypothetical" range.

    I have the feeling things will be much different.

    Thanx for the input though.

    Apr 12, 2005 3:18:08 PM

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    Re: powerkit and widebody confirmed

    widebody is Turbo look, so it can only FOLLOW the arrival of the real 997 Turbo, in 2006 or 2007. Not preceed, sorry.

    Apr 12, 2005 3:26:57 PM

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    Re: powerkit and widebody confirmed

    see? many holes in this theory

    Apr 12, 2005 3:34:58 PM

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    Re: powerkit and widebody confirmed

    No hole in this theory, simple commercial logic : you're wrong.
    But it doesn't mean everything WILL be logical : you're right

    Apr 12, 2005 3:52:23 PM

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    Re: powerkit and widebody confirmed

    Quote:
    cartouche said:
    widebody is Turbo look, so it can only FOLLOW the arrival of the real 997 Turbo, in 2006 or 2007. Not preceed, sorry.


    I guess that was true so far. Nowadays widebody and turbo look are two pair of shoes. I'm expecting the 997 TT to be different from the widebody 997.

    Apr 12, 2005 4:52:29 PM

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    Re: powerkit and widebody confirmed

    maybe this is the case, i m starting to find ridiculus this trial of future makings.
    So many have been said,and more have been confirmed!!!!!

    Apr 12, 2005 8:54:07 PM

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    Re: powerkit and widebody confirmed

    This inside information. There seems to have been a lot of it flying around!

    Some Rennteam 'Insider' comments on the 'All New' 997 .I quote..

    ** Fanch .. #26927 - Wed Mar 17 2004

    Just got a call from an insider from Porsche France (please note, not my dealer! so although we can never be 100% sure, I trust my source, I want to anyway )
    He asked me not to repeat, and it's fine, I'm not repeating, I'm just passing on the info tough if he finds out.

    1- Presentation of the 997 in Paris
    2- Two Versions: Narrow and wide body
    3- 350 hp and 380 hp respectively (plus or minus 2 or 3 bhp)


    **Ron (Houston) .. #29917 - Thu Apr 22 2004

    All "S" models are couple inches wider in the rear.


    And I won't mention that ones like the carrera has 350 and 'S' has 400bhp as standard ;-)

    ...Add

    Apr 13, 2005 7:28:54 AM

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    Re: powerkit and widebody confirmed

    WELL here you confirm my theory..many things said and the outcome is totally different

    Apr 13, 2005 10:00:50 AM

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    Re: powerkit and widebody confirmed

    Quote:
    Dilinger said:
    WELL here you confirm my theory..many things said and the outcome is totally different



    Don't forget that in Zuffenhausen and Weissach people work for Porsche. The people live around (up to 30 km) their companies. They have informations and they have friends. Some of them are involved in the development of Porsche. So it is natural that some of them talk about things which are (or should be) secret. Talking about secret things makes you as a person more important.

    I live nearby Weissach and Zuffenhausen and I know a lot of people working for Porsche. Some are in higher position (they talk less ) some are in normal position (they talk more ). Every information I had received until today was up to 90% correct. So beleive me, the information I post as fact (not my whishes and ideas) are nearby 100% correct. But still not 100%

    So beleive me: widebody is 100% sure (40 mm, on each side 20 mm) and powerkit is also 100% sure. Widebody not for cabrios is 90% sure.

    Greetings

    AM

    Apr 13, 2005 10:07:23 AM

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    Re: powerkit and widebody confirmed

    Quote:
    mumbasic said:


    Don't forget that in Zuffenhausen and Weissach people work for Porsche. The people live around (up to 30 km) their companies. They have informations and they have friends. Some of them are involved in the development of Porsche. So it is natural that some of them talk about things which are (or should be) secret. Talking about secret things makes you as a person more important.

    I live nearby Weissach and Zuffenhausen and I know a lot of people working for Porsche. Some are in higher position (they talk less ) some are in normal position (they talk more ). Every information I had received until today was up to 90% correct. So beleive me, the information I post as fact (not my whishes and ideas) are nearby 100% correct. But still not 100%

    So beleive me: widebody is 100% sure (40 mm, on each side 20 mm) and powerkit is also 100% sure. Widebody not for cabrios is 90% sure.

    Greetings

    AM



    We need friends like you!!

    ciaoo

    Apr 13, 2005 10:43:10 AM

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    Re: powerkit and widebody confirmed

    i dont say you are saying bullshi* i m m just saying that the grapevine sometimes has holes!

    Apr 13, 2005 11:37:25 AM

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    Re: powerkit and widebody confirmed

    Quote:
    Dilinger said:
    i dont say you are saying bullshi* i m m just saying that the grapevine sometimes has holes!



    I know , I didn't interpret your post negativ

    AM

    Apr 13, 2005 11:48:44 AM

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    Re: powerkit and widebody confirmed

    Quote:
    madadd said:
    This inside information. There seems to have been a lot of it flying around!

    Some Rennteam 'Insider' comments on the 'All New' 997 .I quote..

    ** Fanch .. #26927 - Wed Mar 17 2004

    Just got a call from an insider from Porsche France (please note, not my dealer! so although we can never be 100% sure, I trust my source, I want to anyway )
    He asked me not to repeat, and it's fine, I'm not repeating, I'm just passing on the info tough if he finds out.

    1- Presentation of the 997 in Paris
    2- Two Versions: Narrow and wide body
    3- 350 hp and 380 hp respectively (plus or minus 2 or 3 bhp)


    **Ron (Houston) .. #29917 - Thu Apr 22 2004

    All "S" models are couple inches wider in the rear.


    And I won't mention that ones like the carrera has 350 and 'S' has 400bhp as standard ;-)

    ...Add



    I like this post. I can't imagine a wider 997. It will start to look like a box IMHO and probably add a little more weight to the rear (?).

    Apr 13, 2005 3:00:01 PM

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    Re: powerkit and widebody confirmed

    996 series was 1765 cm base / 1830 cm widebody ( + 65 cm )
    997 series is 1808 cm base / 1848 cm widebody ( + 40 cm )

    The 997 is 1.7 " wider than the 996 . The 997 Turbo will be only 0.7 " wider than the 996 Turbo. I doubt from an inventory standpoint they will have a third width body shell for the Turbo wider than the C4 widebody - it's never happened before with prior turbo-look cars .

    Apr 13, 2005 3:58:46 PM

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    Re: powerkit and widebody confirmed

    I do believe that Widebody is 100% sure.

    I also believe that powerkit is 100% sure.

    However, maybe that widebody as reserved just for the turbo at this point in time. And maybe the 4S is quite a long time away (well after the turbo). And who knows, now that they have changed the meaning of that 'S'. Maybe the 4S will NOT be wide bodied!

    I for one (and i know others here agree) believe that the widebody will debut on the turbo and not before then.

    ...Add

    Apr 14, 2005 6:19:50 AM

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    Re: powerkit and widebody confirmed

    Quote:
    MKW said:
    996 series was 1765 cm base / 1830 cm widebody ( + 65 cm )
    997 series is 1808 cm base / 1848 cm widebody ( + 40 cm )

    The 997 is 1.7 " wider than the 996 . The 997 Turbo will be only 0.7 " wider than the 996 Turbo. I doubt from an inventory standpoint they will have a third width body shell for the Turbo wider than the C4 widebody - it's never happened before with prior turbo-look cars .



    Your car would occupy the whole highway . It is "mm" and not "cm"

    AM

    Apr 14, 2005 7:11:20 AM

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    Re: powerkit and widebody confirmed

    Look at the "recent" history of the 996.
    1. C2, C4 and C4S had the same sized engine.
    2. The C4 came out shortly before the turbo which was followed by the C4S.

    Will history repeat itself?

    Apr 14, 2005 9:58:08 AM

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    Re: powerkit and widebody confirmed

    yeah whatever now go out and drive your porsche

    Apr 14, 2005 3:51:23 PM

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    Re: powerkit and widebody confirmed

    Quote:
    mumbasic said:

    Your car would occupy the whole highway . It is "mm" and not "cm"

    AM




    A 60 foot wide Turbo would be pretty cool , imo !

    Apr 14, 2005 7:01:46 PM

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    Re: powerkit and widebody confirmed

    enough waistline-talk, let's hear more about that powerkit!

     
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