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I bet this is the rumored reworked next generation Maserati Coupe to be the new entry-level Ferrari.
The bastard child of Ferrari and Maserati.
Yuck.
yes, you're probably right -- the nearly finished successor to the maser coupé is now beeing re-branded as an entry-level ferrari, while alfa will provide the platform for the new maser coupé.
at least if the autocar story is true. but the rumours about an "entry level" ferrari are spawning -- it's hard to ignore.
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tomorrow I'm at Fiorano (F1 tests)and Modena, in the factory, 
and I know some people over there, even a nice lady 
from the marketing, and I wil ask them (her) about this,
hopefully this is just a rumor, I don't like the idea of a 'little' Ferrari ... Porsche has already made that mistake, I don't think Ferrari must duplicate that ...
and I know some people over there, even a nice lady from the marketing, and I wil ask them (her) about this,hopefully this is just a rumor, I don't like the idea of a 'little' Ferrari ... Porsche has already made that mistake, I don't think Ferrari must duplicate that ...
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Patriek, could you please also 'hunt' for info about the next generation mid-engined Ferrari (430's replacement). I've heard rumored it's already in development. Thanks in advance!
Well it surely is in development, as it is due for appr. 2009...
Apr 12, 2005 6:00:27 PM
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I dont know how things are at Ferrari with the problems FIAT is having, etc. F612 sales, high price of the euro and no hedging, etc. but I really doubt Ferrari will come out with lower entry level model. It worked for Porsche really well with the Boxster but Porsche is in a different situation and is a different concept of company. Even if its a great sportcar and they even keep a tight production number, that is not the point and introducing a cheaper Ferrari will be bad for Ferrari as a whole in the long run.
I hope this is just a hoax
because even though you will see me usually prefereing Porsche models to Ferrari models, this doesn't mean I don't like Ferrari though it may give that impression, its just that Porsche better fills my needs and preferences when compared side by side, but Ferrari is actually my second favorite sportcar company (better than Aston, Lotus, Lambo, etc for me). I don't see Montezemolo even considering this.
I hope this is just a hoax
because even though you will see me usually prefereing Porsche models to Ferrari models, this doesn't mean I don't like Ferrari though it may give that impression, its just that Porsche better fills my needs and preferences when compared side by side, but Ferrari is actually my second favorite sportcar company (better than Aston, Lotus, Lambo, etc for me). I don't see Montezemolo even considering this.
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I don't think Ferrari should do this, it will do more harm than good to them IMO
It will do a lot of harm to Porsche and Aston. This will be to Ferrari what the boxster was to Porsche 9 years ago.
Production of this car would have to be limited, so 3,000 of these a year wouldn't even make a dent to Porsche's sale numbers even if all those 3,000 sales were stolen from Porsche prospective buyers, its a drop in the ocean. It may hurt Aston a bit more since it would be a direct competitor to the AMV8 but I still believe there is room for both of them since Aston's AMV8 production number is very low.
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With worldwide demand increasing dramatically for Ferrari's, it's concieveable that they could build as many as 5000 per annum. This entry level F-car with have its cross hairs aimed squarely on the Carrera and AMV8.
Now, if they can manage to get the price to about $100K, then you'll see ex Porschephiles lining up.
Now, if they can manage to get the price to about $100K, then you'll see ex Porschephiles lining up.
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Maybe they will be able to sell 5,000 a year but increasing production on that cheaper model would only make matters even worse! and hurt Ferrari even more by on top of it mass producing it (in Ferrari production terms that is), I'm sure current and future Ferrari owners would not be very happy with that. And 5,000 is still no threat to Porsche's scale of sales.
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http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?p=134862012#post134862012
cool, ferrari is making it's own boxster. wonder when they're gonna open another production facility and start cranking up volume.
Apr 13, 2005 1:11:12 AM
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Maybe they will be able to sell 5,000 a year but increasing production on that cheaper model would only make matters even worse! and hurt Ferrari even more by on top of it mass producing it (in Ferrari production terms that is), I'm sure current and future Ferrari owners would not be very happy with that. And 5,000 is still no threat to Porsche's scale of sales.
Actually, for the sake of argument, if Porsche were to lose 5000 units (net) to Ferrari, that would represent as much as 20%! (I think 25K-30k 911's are sold each year). Then you add another 3K-4k from Aston and all of a sudden it doesn't look so good for Porsche. Bear in mind, Porsche has owned this segment for many years without any real competition.
As for hurting Ferrari. How? They sold nearly 5000 cars last year. Another 5000 isn't going to make anybody shake their heads and say: No, I won't buy another Ferrari. Most people don't even know what Ferrari sells each year to care.
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Is this ferrari that were talking about gonna be front engine for sure. I'm kinda hoping they do a high powered flat six mid engine. Make it light too! And an awsome handler to compete better with cayman and lotus's although I wouldn't want them to be selling it in that price range, how about 110,000
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Maybe they will be able to sell 5,000 a year but increasing production on that cheaper model would only make matters even worse! and hurt Ferrari even more by on top of it mass producing it (in Ferrari production terms that is), I'm sure current and future Ferrari owners would not be very happy with that. And 5,000 is still no threat to Porsche's scale of sales.
Actually, for the sake of argument, if Porsche were to lose 5000 units (net) to Ferrari, that would represent as much as 20%! (I think 25K-30k 911's are sold each year). Then you add another 3K-4k from Aston and all of a sudden it doesn't look so good for Porsche. Bear in mind, Porsche has owned this segment for many years without any real competition.
As for hurting Ferrari. How? They sold nearly 5000 cars last year. Another 5000 isn't going to make anybody shake their heads and say: No, I won't buy another Ferrari. Most people don't even know what Ferrari sells each year to care.
In order for it to hurt 30k/year Porsche 911 sales (which will be even more by 2009), Ferrari would need to sell 5000 of those and they would all have to be sales taken away from the 911, highly unlikely if you have followed the 911's 40 year history and the customer base it has, so not a big worry. Now, if BMW ///M for example would build a M3 that is more coupe'ish and sportier more in line with the 911, that could dent Porsche sales for example becuase it would be cheaper, german engineered, with a large dealer infrastructure, and produced in very high quantities. But even so, BMW (as all the other high volume makers) is afraid to go head to head against the 911 which dominates the segment since its creation, and therefore markets the M3 differently, and very succesfully so.
Ask Ferrari "owners" here if they like the idea. This cheaper Ferrari model would serieously hurt Ferrari's image and customer satisfaction. Ferrari is one of the most exclusive brands and this is one of the biggest assets. Maserati can sell this car but not Ferrari. Whats next a Ferrari SUV? I wouldn't like to see Ferrari do this.
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With Lamborghini reviving their Espada (4-door fastback) and an SUV (LM's successor), Aston Martin reviving their 4-door saloon, the Lagonda (see article here : http://www.rennteam.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=92344&an=0&page=0#92344) and Porsche already has an SUV and soon a 4-door sedan too, I really can see Ferrari having a new, cheaper, front-engined model. At least it won't have four doors!!
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