Apr 12, 2005 2:20:08 AM
Apr 12, 2005 2:29:24 AM
Apr 12, 2005 2:33:42 AM
Apr 12, 2005 2:49:33 AM
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silverrules said:
Yep, if you have the base 997 for sure you wont know how the S handles.
Apr 12, 2005 1:50:25 PM
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A friend of mine who is totally impartial and barely interested in cars made the following comment. I was trying to decide on getting the S or the non-S. He read a few articles I sent to him and emailed me back saying, "Why get the S? Are you going to race it? I'm getting the S anyway but his comment is extremely sensible. I guess my decision is an emotional/irrational one.
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MMD said:
A friend of mine who is totally impartial and barely interested in cars made the following comment. I was trying to decide on getting the S or the non-S. He read a few articles I sent to him and emailed me back saying, "Why get the S? Are you going to race it? I'm getting the S anyway but his comment is extremely sensible. I guess my decision is an emotional/irrational one.
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zoltan said:
BTW Chris Harris is a well respecred driver among british community and have been in many types of racing (cup, sideways challenge, Peugeot diesel cup) so it's easy for him to capture the slightest differences between C2 and C2S.
Sorry to say that, but I don't think that many drivers will spot these details...
Apr 12, 2005 4:28:30 PM
Apr 12, 2005 4:30:38 PM
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cartouche said:
I'm quite surprised nobody talks about the exhaust noise of the "S" above 5000 rpm.
Don't you appreciate it ?
Believe me : there's a significant difference between the two models. Maybe not in terms of performance, but performance isn't the only source of drive enjoyment, I guess.
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zoltan said:
BTW Chris Harris is a well respecred driver among british community and have been in many types of racing (cup, sideways challenge, Peugeot diesel cup) so it's easy for him to capture the slightest differences between C2 and C2S.
Sorry to say that, but I don't think that many drivers will spot these details...
Guess everyone's different but I noticed big differences within minutes inside the cabin. Even BEFORE I stepped in the cabin when I heard the different engines.
Apr 12, 2005 5:12:07 PM
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zoltan said:
BTW Chris Harris is a well respecred driver among british community and have been in many types of racing (cup, sideways challenge, Peugeot diesel cup) so it's easy for him to capture the slightest differences between C2 and C2S.
Sorry to say that, but I don't think that many drivers will spot these details...
Guess everyone's different but I noticed big differences within minutes inside the cabin. Even BEFORE I stepped in the cabin when I heard the different engines.
Stradale, i believe that Zoltan was not only refering to the difference between C2 and C2S but the difference between C2 with PCCB's and C2S
And thats something that requires a certain driving knowledge to identify weight difference at the four edjes of the car due to reduced unspung weight.Moreover,it requires some pushing the car maybe in the track
Apr 12, 2005 6:10:37 PM
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Oh and I almost forgot the 0.2 sec better time in the 0-100 kph run. Oh my God, it's like another car (NOT)! Hahahaha! I love you guys!
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In the 1/4 mile (0-60mph, or 0-100kmh, isn't worth talking about unless you're comparing Honda Civics), you'll actually get .4-.5 tenths out of the S, which to a lifelong dragracer like me, is ALOT, and easy to feel in the seat. One tenth equals one car length in the 1/4, general rule.
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As to performance, lets look at more objective facts, the 997 is only 2 seconds faster than the 6 year old 300HP 996C2 on the 20km long nurburgring track, yet the 997S is a whole 13-16 seconds faster! (depending on PASM or -20mm) so that settles the silly comparison between the handling, power and braking differences between the two.
Apr 12, 2005 6:22:16 PM
Apr 12, 2005 9:41:10 PM
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cartouche said:
Dear non S owners,
The hyperacousic [censored] wishes you good night
PS : the noise IS a difference