Quote:
drbeck said:
I reviewed my stat sheet from FX and remembered the biggest thing we did was actually change the caster from stock which is 6 degrees to 5 and 1/2. This makes the car much less twitchy. For toe we ran .4mm per side for a total of .8 and I'm sorry I was wrong on the camber, it was 1 and 1/2 front and 2 in the rear. The guys at FX have set up quite a few challenge cars so they know what they are doing. We didi not lose any high speed stability either. We spent a great deal of time above 150mph and the car was rock solid.
Quote:tdf i agree with fanch. i run a GT3 and a 360 round the same track and i am 8 seconds faster in my GT3 and i am going flat out in both.the 360 rolls more , has less grunt , needs to brake earlier , weighs more. don't get me wrong i am a huge ferrari fan but the cars are two different beasts and can't be compared.
tdf360 said:Quote:
Fanch said:
TDF,
Please don't feel offended, of course I know it's all about the driver on the track. But I've also driven the 360 on open roads extensively and although is was a while ago, the steering is vague, the F1 gearbox far from perfect and most of all, the brakes are way underdimensioned (spelling?).
So please do not call me ignorant, I would be if I was quoting from mag, but I have actually been privileged to drive the two models to their limits. Our opinions may differ, and that's cool! That's what this forum is all about!
The Stradale answers all these criticism and so much more.
It's like GT3RS compared to 996 but the gap is 10 times bigger, it really is a different car.
I respect 100% Ferrari's approach to the "no compromise" aspect of the car.
It feels like a race car inside, very nice!
As for straight line speed with the Modena, what can I say, it's its driver who came to tell us that. I'm not lying, I love Ferrari.
Sorry about the "ignorant" comment. We clearly disagree about the 360, especially the steering (I think it is superb, especially with RA-1s installed) and I have had no brake issues at the track since I installed Ate fluid and DS2500 pads.
Gary
Quote:
scud said:
tdf i agree with fanch. i run a GT3 and a 360 round the same track and i am 8 seconds faster in my GT3 and i am going flat out in both.the 360 rolls more , has less grunt , needs to brake earlier , weighs more. don't get me wrong i am a huge ferrari fan but the cars are two different beasts and can't be compared.
rock on
Quote:
HoboPie said:
I hate to be a magazine whore, but in every test we've seen the GT3 ha proved to be a match for the Stradale in terms of pure track pace.
The 360 doesn't seem to be competitive with either and the GT3 RS, is a step above. Keep in mind this is pure track pace and has nothing to do with roads or overall fun.
Quote:i had my 360 and GT3 weighed at my local track and the GT3 was 1375kg and the 360 was 1495kg both had a half tank of fuel. thats a diffrence of 120kg or in your terms 264 pounds. thats a massive difference. please explain your 50 pound theory and the 360 being lighter.
tdf360 said:Quote:
scud said:
tdf i agree with fanch. i run a GT3 and a 360 round the same track and i am 8 seconds faster in my GT3 and i am going flat out in both.the 360 rolls more , has less grunt , needs to brake earlier , weighs more. don't get me wrong i am a huge ferrari fan but the cars are two different beasts and can't be compared.
rock on
I feel like we must have two different versions of the same car. My son and I drove/rode in a GT3 on R-compound tires at Buttonwillow the same day we had my Modena there. The GT3 rolled at least as much, maybe more, and had more pitching motions in the vertical axis. Even though the 360 was on streets, the lap times were only 2-3 seconds apart. I found the 360 to be more responsive and fun on the track than the GT3 and with R tires I'm confident the lap times would be very similar with the same driver. And the weight of the two cars is within 50 lbs or so, with the 360 being the LIGHTER car, according to R&T and factory manuals.
Gary
Quote:
scud said:
i had my 360 and GT3 weighed at my local track and the GT3 was 1375kg and the 360 was 1495kg both had a half tank of fuel. thats a diffrence of 120kg or in your terms 264 pounds. thats a massive difference. please explain your 50 pound theory and the 360 being lighter.
rock on
Quote:
scud said:Quote:i had my 360 and GT3 weighed at my local track and the GT3 was 1375kg and the 360 was 1495kg both had a half tank of fuel. thats a diffrence of 120kg or in your terms 264 pounds. thats a massive difference. please explain your 50 pound theory and the 360 being lighter.
tdf360 said:Quote:
scud said:
tdf i agree with fanch. i run a GT3 and a 360 round the same track and i am 8 seconds faster in my GT3 and i am going flat out in both.the 360 rolls more , has less grunt , needs to brake earlier , weighs more. don't get me wrong i am a huge ferrari fan but the cars are two different beasts and can't be compared.
rock on
I feel like we must have two different versions of the same car. My son and I drove/rode in a GT3 on R-compound tires at Buttonwillow the same day we had my Modena there. The GT3 rolled at least as much, maybe more, and had more pitching motions in the vertical axis. Even though the 360 was on streets, the lap times were only 2-3 seconds apart. I found the 360 to be more responsive and fun on the track than the GT3 and with R tires I'm confident the lap times would be very similar with the same driver. And the weight of the two cars is within 50 lbs or so, with the 360 being the LIGHTER car, according to R&T and factory manuals.
Gary
rock on
Apr 2, 2005 11:44:29 PM
Quote:
Stradale said:
EVO Magazine has a great article in September 2003's issue
It's 11 pages here's the last few paragraphs:
"That said, the Porsche can't match the Ferrari front-end's rate of response, 911s can often feel reluctant to turn in, requiring a bit of forearm shove to counter a natural tendency towards steady-state understeer, but it feels more pronounced in the GT3. You simply don't get the sense that the outside front tyre is fully hooked up, which never does much for your confidence, especially through high-speed corners. Without trying a Pirelli-shod GT3 it's hard to point the finger at the Michelins fitted to our test car, but experience in the current generation Carrera suggests the Italian rubber might sharpen things up.
I've got the 911 tucked into the 360's wake, but it's hard work to stay in touch. Once the road opens out, the excess weight and comparative lack of power become glaringly apparent, and on the the return dash back along the open, looping 'straight' I find myself cursing the GT3's lack of grunt. It's an absurd complaint in a car capable of hitting 100mph in just 9.4sec, but the sight of a bright red Ferrari hollering off into the distance tends to give you a slightly warped perspective of what fast really is.
Ultimately the 360's lighter build, coupled with the fact that it's motor has the GT3's moves covered even through the mid-range, means that when it rams home its advantage at the top end the Porsche is left struggling for breath.
Perhaps because of the Ferrari's straight-line advantage, I find myself trying harder in the tight corners, driving around the front-end's initial reluctance and exploiting the 911's uniquely adjustable balance. It's a rewaring, absorbing process getting the rear weight bias working to your advantage, and far from the perilous tightrope walk you might imagine it to be, the GT3 remains predictable and exploitable enough to power the tail out of line as the corner opens out. It certainly feels less edgy than the Stradale, which isn't a car that encourages a fast-and-loose cornering style, at least on the road.
As we exit the final hairpin and crest the rise of the Stelvio's summit I know the Porsche has been outgunned, but the GT3's still got right under my skin. I'm not in the quivering, adrenalin-saturated state I was on emerging from the 360, a car that when pushed to extremes throws so much at you it's not a case of savouring the experience (as it is in the GT3) but simply surviving the savage sensory double whammy of volume and velocity. Choosing between them is painful, but if your after the raw, nefarious thrills of a racecar on the road the Stradale gets the nod.
But this isn't the end of the story, for Stuttgart is poised to unleash an even more potent weapon from it's armoury, the GT3 RS. Ferrari might have won the battle, but the war is set to rage on. To be continued....."
Quote:
watt said:Quote:
Stradale said:
EVO Magazine has a great article in September 2003's issue
It's 11 pages here's the last few paragraphs:
"That said, the Porsche can't match the Ferrari front-end's rate of response, 911s can often feel reluctant to turn in, requiring a bit of forearm shove to counter a natural tendency towards steady-state understeer, but it feels more pronounced in the GT3. You simply don't get the sense that the outside front tyre is fully hooked up, which never does much for your confidence, especially through high-speed corners. Without trying a Pirelli-shod GT3 it's hard to point the finger at the Michelins fitted to our test car, but experience in the current generation Carrera suggests the Italian rubber might sharpen things up.
I've got the 911 tucked into the 360's wake, but it's hard work to stay in touch. Once the road opens out, the excess weight and comparative lack of power become glaringly apparent, and on the the return dash back along the open, looping 'straight' I find myself cursing the GT3's lack of grunt. It's an absurd complaint in a car capable of hitting 100mph in just 9.4sec, but the sight of a bright red Ferrari hollering off into the distance tends to give you a slightly warped perspective of what fast really is.
Ultimately the 360's lighter build, coupled with the fact that it's motor has the GT3's moves covered even through the mid-range, means that when it rams home its advantage at the top end the Porsche is left struggling for breath.
Perhaps because of the Ferrari's straight-line advantage, I find myself trying harder in the tight corners, driving around the front-end's initial reluctance and exploiting the 911's uniquely adjustable balance. It's a rewaring, absorbing process getting the rear weight bias working to your advantage, and far from the perilous tightrope walk you might imagine it to be, the GT3 remains predictable and exploitable enough to power the tail out of line as the corner opens out. It certainly feels less edgy than the Stradale, which isn't a car that encourages a fast-and-loose cornering style, at least on the road.
As we exit the final hairpin and crest the rise of the Stelvio's summit I know the Porsche has been outgunned, but the GT3's still got right under my skin. I'm not in the quivering, adrenalin-saturated state I was on emerging from the 360, a car that when pushed to extremes throws so much at you it's not a case of savouring the experience (as it is in the GT3) but simply surviving the savage sensory double whammy of volume and velocity. Choosing between them is painful, but if your after the raw, nefarious thrills of a racecar on the road the Stradale gets the nod.
But this isn't the end of the story, for Stuttgart is poised to unleash an even more potent weapon from it's armoury, the GT3 RS. Ferrari might have won the battle, but the war is set to rage on. To be continued....."
from a handling perspective the strad has its hands full with the 05 boxster s, you better go get one. not equivalent power, but certainly equivalent handling.
btw,
it's funny to drive a boxster S with an honest speedo and realise the psychological effect F gets "wow i'm going so fast so effortlessly" with their speedo's that read high about 10 mph [my stradale vs my box S]. part of the legende is FAKE.
Quote:
watt said:
btw,
it's funny to drive a boxster S with an honest speedo and realise the psychological effect F gets "wow i'm going so fast so effortlessly" with their speedo's that read high about 10 mph [my stradale vs my box S]. part of the legende is FAKE.
Quote:
watt said:
CS is sold. leaving tomorrow to a rennteam lurker from chicago. hi tom.
btw i bet F's HP figures are exxagerated, just like the real weight of the strad is so much more than quoted in the owner's manual. none of which takes anything away from the fact that is the most fun car i have EVER owned, out, what, 50 sports cars....
truly a lightning bolt from the Hand of God. Forza!
Quote:
from a handling perspective the strad has its hands full with the 05 boxster s, you better go get one. not equivalent power, but certainly equivalent handling.