Apr 4, 2005 12:34:33 PM
- Captain Bady
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Apr 7, 2005 5:40:35 AM
- Modrocket_stereo
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Apr 7, 2005 6:30:40 AM
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Re: latest 997 GT3 rumors
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you can get 400+ hp out of the 3.6 liter 996 GT3 engine.
however, thats moot.
its already been established that porsche will use the M97 block, or a variation in the new GT3. wet sump, whether you like it or not
When was this established, I've only heard rumor.
I bet you can get 420 out of the 3.6 GT1 based motor with enough development. Also I still don't see it being hard to go to a 3.8 version of the GT1 motor. Most likely I think we'll get a 400 hp 3.6 motor based off of the GT1 block, very similar to the cup. However if we don't get a 997 GT3 until 06 then the 05 cup season will already be over so it's not out of the realm of possibility to get a slightly stronger street car than the current cup. Maybe 408-415 hp, although unlikely.
I'd be happy with a 400 hp GT1 based 997 GT3 that doesn't weigh a pound more than the 996 cousin for 100k. Porsche if you build it, I will (try) to buy. Although of course I'd be much happier with any additional power possible and the car would sell better as long as it's a dry sump motor.
Apr 7, 2005 7:57:32 AM
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Re: latest 997 GT3 rumors
thats exactly the point moogle was making; according to him this wont be the case anymore, therefore cup and street versions would have different engines. not exactly what what one would like to see as 'technology transfer`...
to be honest i can hardly believe the porsche guys would be so stupid to do that!
to be honest i can hardly believe the porsche guys would be so stupid to do that!
Re: latest 997 GT3 rumors
Outside of the motor issue, this current rumor bothers me because I don't want a GT3 with PSM and I doubt the RS will come to the states. I liked the earlier rumor that the RS gets even more hardcore and the regular GT3 moves more toward the direction of the RS. I can't wait until we get some official info.
Apr 7, 2005 9:30:10 AM
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Re: latest 997 GT3 rumors
1. PSM seems to be confirmed
2. Power is still rumoured to be 381 HP like on the "old" GT3 but I expect at least 400 HP
3. GT3 RS is expected to have more power, no PSM and maybe a sequential shifting system after it is introduced on the 997 Turbo.
We still don't have ANY info on the used engine for the GT3. The GT3 RS seems to get the "classic" M64 engine block but it may be possible that the GT3 gets a M97 derivate.
Again: we have no official confirmation on the engine used.
2. Power is still rumoured to be 381 HP like on the "old" GT3 but I expect at least 400 HP
3. GT3 RS is expected to have more power, no PSM and maybe a sequential shifting system after it is introduced on the 997 Turbo.
We still don't have ANY info on the used engine for the GT3. The GT3 RS seems to get the "classic" M64 engine block but it may be possible that the GT3 gets a M97 derivate.
Again: we have no official confirmation on the engine used.
Re: latest 997 GT3 rumors
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1. PSM seems to be confirmed
2. Power is still rumoured to be 381 HP like on the "old" GT3 but I expect at least 400 HP
New GT3 with PSM!!!
Now that's interesting!
What's your opinion on that RC?
I thought the GT3 with PSM was the 997S with sport chassis, well, almost...
So do you think it'll come with all the usual 997 goodies, like Bose, Navigation, etc.
I know, most will think that it defeats the GT3's initial purpose, but frankly, so does PSM, that's why I'm asking.
Thanks.
Re: latest 997 GT3 rumors
Francois, I really don't know. It was actually YOU who made me try to get more GT3 information... ...but there isn't much I can report, only the PSM stuff seems to be true.
Why PSM on the GT3? Lots of crashed GT3 may be the reason.
And there is still the rumoured GT3 RS which comes without PSM (again...a rumour).
The most interesting question for ME is: does the new 997 GT3 get an engine based on the "old" engine block like the 996 GT3/Turbo/GT2 or does it get an engine based on the new M97 engine? If Porsche wants to save cost, I already know the answer. Using the M97 engine doesn't have to be something bad but I would prefer the same engine on the GT3 like Porsche uses on their Cup models.
...but there isn't much I can report, only the PSM stuff seems to be true.Why PSM on the GT3? Lots of crashed GT3 may be the reason.
And there is still the rumoured GT3 RS which comes without PSM (again...a rumour).
The most interesting question for ME is: does the new 997 GT3 get an engine based on the "old" engine block like the 996 GT3/Turbo/GT2 or does it get an engine based on the new M97 engine? If Porsche wants to save cost, I already know the answer. Using the M97 engine doesn't have to be something bad but I would prefer the same engine on the GT3 like Porsche uses on their Cup models.
Re: latest 997 GT3 rumors
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Why PSM on the GT3? Lots of crashed GT3 may be the reason.
And there is still the rumoured GT3 RS which comes without PSM (again...a rumour).
It sounds a litle odd but PSM has nothing wrong with a really sporting set up if you stil have the freedom to de -activate it.
GT3 is a awesome car with huge traction but i doubt that most owners feel really confident when driving on wet conditions, on a B- road while having on their mirrors a truly devoted driver.
I live in a country were dry tarmac is very slippery, i know many guys who have crashed their Honda S2000 (no traction control) and i don't see the reason behind it.
If you really have the balls you can switch it off. But i bet most drivers wouldn't.
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i agree in low speeds anyone can de activate the PSM and play wise guy but what happens at really high speeds? who has the guts to de-activate? or the loss of consiousness?
Because it requires a lot of knowledge to drift at high speeds.
Things are going pretty string with these PS figures, and maybe loss of PSM could be a factor that exludes a certain target group
Because it requires a lot of knowledge to drift at high speeds.
Things are going pretty string with these PS figures, and maybe loss of PSM could be a factor that exludes a certain target group
Re: latest 997 GT3 rumors
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RC said:
1. PSM seems to be confirmed
2. Power is still rumoured to be 381 HP like on the "old" GT3 but I expect at least 400 HP
3. GT3 RS is expected to have more power, no PSM and maybe a sequential shifting system after it is introduced on the 997 Turbo.
We still don't have ANY info on the used engine for the GT3. The GT3 RS seems to get the "classic" M64 engine block but it may be possible that the GT3 gets a M97 derivate.
Again: we have no official confirmation on the engine used.
Any info on if the RS will come stateside and a rough guess of when "after the 997 turbo" is? Just wondering. I know this sounds silly, but PSM could be a deal breaker for me. For normal cars it totally makes sense to have PSM, but you should have to be overly careful on the street with a GT3, it's not about being able to drive fast safely. I'd probably drive like a grandmother on the street because of no PSM, but I'd prefer that because I know I'm driving. And of course there is no use for PSM on the track, I want to save myself from spins. The track I go to the most has lots of runoff and very little to smash into. It's very enjoyable to get a bit loose and catch it yourself.
Apr 7, 2005 9:21:07 PM
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Re: latest 997 GT3 rumors
The PSM can be disabled however it is always on stand by therefore if you are in a very dangerious situation (90 % out of control) it will reactivate! At least these are the rumors about the PSM of the new GT3.
I have confirmed (but still can be considered a rumor, tough, reliable) the power which will be 410HP.
The RS will be more hard core for sure, however I doubt the engine will be different, but I don't hafe any information on that.
I have confirmed (but still can be considered a rumor, tough, reliable) the power which will be 410HP.
The RS will be more hard core for sure, however I doubt the engine will be different, but I don't hafe any information on that.
Apr 8, 2005 12:23:28 AM
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Apr 9, 2005 8:53:36 PM
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Re: latest 997 GT3 rumors
Porsche is in the business of making money. Sadly making money takes away from what serious drivers want and providing a vehicle for everyone. Using the 997 powerplant might be the obvious choice for Porsche although the M64 would definitely be all of our cup of tea. How many drivers out there truly track their cars? I know many of us do but we are a small percentage in comparision to the general automobile owner. I can see why the wet sump lubrication might be opted over the dry sump. It sucks but the reality of things hurt.
Apr 9, 2005 9:18:35 PM
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Re: latest 997 GT3 rumors
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stereo said:
How many drivers out there truly track their cars? I know many of us do but we are a small percentage in comparision to the general automobile owner. I can see why the wet sump lubrication might be opted over the dry sump. It sucks but the reality of things hurt.
I think a disproportionately large percent of the GT3 owners track their cars. That's why if it's ok to have a wet sump on the 997S (it's not IMHO), it's definitely not ok for the GT cars...
Apr 10, 2005 12:46:00 AM
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Re: latest 997 GT3 rumors
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stereo said:
Porsche is in the business of making money. Sadly making money takes away from what serious drivers want and providing a vehicle for everyone.
well if you like your mfr to lose money on every car, you should buy a Maser or a GMC. personally, i want porsche to profit so they can keep coming out with low volume losers [from a sales and profit perspective] like the gt3
Re: latest 997 GT3 rumors
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Fanch said:Quote:
RC said:
1. PSM seems to be confirmed
2. Power is still rumoured to be 381 HP like on the "old" GT3 but I expect at least 400 HP
New GT3 with PSM!!!
Now that's interesting!
What's your opinion on that RC?
I thought the GT3 with PSM was the 997S with sport chassis, well, almost...
So do you think it'll come with all the usual 997 goodies, like Bose, Navigation, etc.
I know, most will think that it defeats the GT3's initial purpose, but frankly, so does PSM, that's why I'm asking.
Thanks.
PSM on the GT3 is good news. Why? Because the GT2 will then get it as well (most likely). Which in turn means that it can (finally) be bought also as a daily driver
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