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Oct 11, 2021 3:50:57 AM

Pilot: Veteran; Loc: California , United States; Posts: 1238, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 8, 2007; Reply to: Carlos from Spain

Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

Smiley Like Carlos I also had to read your post a few times, Gnil-- I kept thinking "I must be missing something, this makes no sense." That's unbelievable. I am so shocked and sorry to hear that someone stole your car. Does the hotel have security cameras that you can check? A green car would/should be hard to miss, I really hope this has a happy outcome and you get your car back in perfect condition. Please keep us posted.

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Oct 11, 2021 5:56:57 AM

Gnil: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: VD, Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 14171, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 11, 2005; Reply to: Pilot

Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

I also can’t believe it. I keep looking at the place it was parked hoping to see it and that this was just a bad dream. But it is not. My car is gone.
I was parked in one of the upper park space from Hotel Tiergarten. No cameras. No one witnessed anything. Thinking they might have stolen the key codes when I locked it ….
So hard to believe. It can’t be easy to sell a lizard green GT3 RS .

I did not activate car connect. Wonder if that would of made a difference ?

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Oct 11, 2021 6:15:51 AM

Kobalt: Expert; Loc: Europe , Sweden; Posts: 1819, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 18, 2015; Reply to: Gnil

Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

I’m so sorry Eric. What I’ve hear is that this is not very common in Nürburg.

I am pretty sure that they have disabled/blocked the tracker.

Someone told me that police has checked a camera that is at the house across the street from where.your car was parked but it didn’t show anything.

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Oct 11, 2021 6:28:02 AM

watt: Rennteam Master; Loc: Way Back In , New Zealand; Posts: 4561, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 27, 2002; Reply to: Whoopsy

Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

Whoopsy:
Gnil:
Won’t post pics of my RS . It got stolen last night in front of the hotel.

Damn😱

Eric

It’s a message from God to order 992 Gt3rs, a clearing of the deck.

I know you loved that rig.

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Oct 11, 2021 7:58:25 AM

Joost: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Dordrecht , Netherlands; Posts: 8054, Gallery; Registered on: May 3, 2004; Reply to: watt

Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

I saw Frank's message on instagram regarding a stolen green RS, and hoped it wasn't yours but "just" some stranger's car. So sorry to hear man, it's insane. Not to be a downer, but I can't imagine these types of cars are stolen by small guys, but by professionals, who probably know how to sell the car (or the parts) as well... Take care mate, hope you'll be back in a nice track toy again soon!

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Oct 11, 2021 8:40:23 AM

Carlos from Spain: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Spain. , Spain; Posts: 21148, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 9, 2003; Reply to: Gnil

Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

Gnil:
I also can’t believe it. I keep looking at the place it was parked hoping to see it and that this was just a bad dream. But it is not. My car is gone.
I was parked in one of the upper park space from Hotel Tiergarten. No cameras. No one witnessed anything. Thinking they might have stolen the key codes when I locked it ….
So hard to believe. It can’t be easy to sell a lizard green GT3 RS .

I did not activate car connect. Wonder if that would of made a difference ?

I'm thinking it had to be a pre-order job, they had a pre arranged customer (probably in eastern Europe, Russia, etc) who wanted specifically an RS and it was carried out by professionals who went to a place we're it was easier to find an RS (nurburgring area hotels), found a target, watched it until it was the right time and place and took it, they had the tools, expertise, controlled any cameras, etc... nothing you could do is they wanted it I guess Smiley

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Oct 11, 2021 10:02:21 AM

spudgun: Veteran; Loc: Belgium , Belgium; Posts: 1212, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 8, 2006; Reply to: Carlos from Spain

Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

Unreal. Hope they find the car asap…

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Oct 11, 2021 10:33:13 AM

blueflame: Expert; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 1700, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 28, 2005; Reply to: Carlos from Spain

Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

Horror...I´m so sorry for you... laugh .

This car will be torn up in parts and you will find them over the next months in ebay...I will have a look after Lizzard Green parts.

Heads up - I´m looking forward to your 992 GT3 RS. kiss

Blueflame

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Oct 11, 2021 11:14:30 AM

Kobalt: Expert; Loc: Europe , Sweden; Posts: 1819, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 18, 2015; Reply to: Kobalt

Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

Kobalt:
What I’ve hear is that this is not very common in Nürburg.

Fwiw: I’d like to correct myself: if this is common or not is probably subjective. When I ask around I get different answers.

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Oct 11, 2021 1:29:20 PM

throt: Rennteam VIP; Loc: London , United Kingdom; Posts: 6078, Gallery; Registered on: May 9, 2005; Reply to: Gnil

Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

So so sorry, Gnil.

Absolute scum bags.

Here in the UK it's pretty much a must to have the Car Connect, ''fully'', active. Such a shame that someone has taken ownership enjoyment from you.

All the best, buddy

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Oct 11, 2021 2:24:31 PM

CGX car nut: Rennteam Master; Loc: NWI , United States; Posts: 5175, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 17, 2011; Reply to: throt

Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

Sad news and I hope that there’s a positive outcome for you.

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Oct 11, 2021 2:36:48 PM

nberry: Rennteam VIP; Loc: La Jolla, USA , United States; Posts: 13737, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: CGX car nut

Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

Without keys, isn’t difficult to steal the car? It would require considerable effort to take the car. How is it done?

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Oct 11, 2021 3:13:59 PM

Enmanuel: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Boston , United States; Posts: 8843, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 7, 2008; Reply to: nberry

Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

Oh no !! This is unbelievable, I’m so sorry Eric. I hope that there can be some resolution laugh

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Oct 11, 2021 3:35:34 PM

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Cyprus; Posts: 12130, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 20, 2005; Reply to: Enmanuel

Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

The theft of any car is a great loss and of such a charismatic sports car something even worse.

I am very sorry Gnil, for this predicament at your favourite place.

I believe that since many years the key throws a different code each time it is used. So the method of a bystander remotely stealing a unique fixed code was a fraud of the past.

Probably the car was lifted and loaded on a recovery truck in the way illegally parked cars are dealt with. The thieves must have assumed that this would appear to anyone who happened to be observing as a legitimate recovery of a broken down/damaged vehicle at the NBR for the purpose of being transported to a workshop.

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Oct 11, 2021 4:02:50 PM

nberry: Rennteam VIP; Loc: La Jolla, USA , United States; Posts: 13737, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: reginos

Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

reginos:
The theft of any car is a great loss and of such a charismatic sports car something even worse.

I am very sorry Gnil, for this predicament at your favourite place.

I believe that since many years the key throws a different code each time it is used. So the method of a bystander remotely stealing a unique fixed code was a fraud of the past.

Probably the car was lifted and loaded on a recovery truck in the way illegally parked cars are dealt with. The thieves must have assumed that this would appear to anyone who happened to be observing as a legitimate recovery of a broken down/damaged vehicle at the NBR for the purpose of being transported to a workshop.

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"Porsche....and Nothing else matters"

Lifting it and loading on a truck takes time, specialized equipment and makes a lot of noise especially at night. It would attract a lot of attention. Strange no one has stepped forward to report the theft.

The good news is you'll get almost full value of the car from the insurance company.

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Oct 11, 2021 5:18:41 PM

the-missile: Rennteam Master; Loc: The World , France; Posts: 3484, Gallery; Registered on: May 10, 2014; Reply to: nberry

Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

laugh sorry to read that, Eric. I am also a big fan of Nurburgring and I am shocked to see this can still happen there. It must be done by real experts. These cars are not easy to make disappear.

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Oct 11, 2021 5:20:04 PM

Carlos from Spain: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Spain. , Spain; Posts: 21148, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 9, 2003; Reply to: nberry

Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

nberry:
reginos:
The theft of any car is a great loss and of such a charismatic sports car something even worse.

I am very sorry Gnil, for this predicament at your favourite place.

I believe that since many years the key throws a different code each time it is used. So the method of a bystander remotely stealing a unique fixed code was a fraud of the past.

Probably the car was lifted and loaded on a recovery truck in the way illegally parked cars are dealt with. The thieves must have assumed that this would appear to anyone who happened to be observing as a legitimate recovery of a broken down/damaged vehicle at the NBR for the purpose of being transported to a workshop.

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"Porsche....and Nothing else matters"

Lifting it and loading on a truck takes time, specialized equipment and makes a lot of noise especially at night. It would attract a lot of attention. Strange no one has stepped forward to report the theft.

The good news is you'll get almost full value of the car from the insurance company.

I don't know how insurances work in Switzerland but here in Spain, unless you pay for an insurance contract that specifically uses market value of the car, then you will be reimbursed for what the car is going for in the second hand market, I have mine like that, otherwise you get "book value" and that is just peanuts, only a small fraction of the actual value of the car in reality At least here in Spain it's like that.

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Oct 11, 2021 6:25:48 PM

spudgun: Veteran; Loc: Belgium , Belgium; Posts: 1212, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 8, 2006; Reply to: nberry

Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

Could it been a code theft when locking the car? They use a device that 'duplicate' the key signal digitally, and then open and start the car with the same code.

Happens a lot with keyless BMW's around here, everybody I know keeps his keys in sealed metal boxes at home that stops any signal...

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Oct 11, 2021 7:57:04 PM

Gnil: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: VD, Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 14171, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 11, 2005; Reply to: spudgun

Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

Thanks a lot for all your support, guys.
Some sentences nailed my feelings in a few words.
My mind is playing with the “ what if ‘s “ Not quite ready for the “ what’ s next “ yet.
Can’t imagine not hearing that engine scream anymore.
Seems a few cars have been stolen this summer at the Ring . More then usually.
Not a matter people like to discuss over here (at the Ring) for many reasons.
My insurance man informed me another M2 Competition was stolen this week end + some RS and GT3 back wings.
Most think it is heading to the Eastern Europe to get dismounted and sold in parts. The women police I last spoke to thinks this kind of comments are just discrimination.
Car was probably stolen between 3 and 5 AM.

Not looking forward to what the insurance will offer.

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Oct 11, 2021 8:57:29 PM

Mikla: Veteran; Loc: Spain , Spain; Posts: 1009, Gallery; Registered on: May 9, 2004; Reply to: Gnil

Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

I am so sorry Eric!

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Oct 11, 2021 10:15:43 PM

nberry: Rennteam VIP; Loc: La Jolla, USA , United States; Posts: 13737, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: Gnil

Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

Gnil:
Thanks a lot for all your support, guys.
Some sentences nailed my feelings in a few words.
My mind is playing with the “ what if ‘s “ Not quite ready for the “ what’ s next “ yet.
Can’t imagine not hearing that engine scream anymore.
Seems a few cars have been stolen this summer at the Ring . More then usually.
Not a matter people like to discuss over here (at the Ring) for many reasons.
My insurance man informed me another M2 Competition was stolen this week end + some RS and GT3 back wings.
Most think it is heading to the Eastern Europe to get dismounted and sold in parts. The women police I last spoke to thinks this kind of comments are just discrimination.
Car was probably stolen between 3 and 5 AM.

Not looking forward to what the insurance will offer.

Be prepared to argue the enhanced values of the RS in this market. Used cars values of most models are at an all time high often over MSRP. A low production model like the RS even though used should fetch close to MSRP.

Don't accept a low ball offer. Smiley

Carlos, you're right. A stated value policy makes sense. Smiley

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Oct 12, 2021 4:17:46 AM

3mph: Junior; Loc: Canada , Canada; Posts: 80, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 15, 2014; Reply to: nberry

Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

Just gutted to hear your story. No words can make it right, but I do hope you are made whole.

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Oct 12, 2021 11:34:17 AM

pgouveia: Pilot; Loc: Portugal , Portugal; Posts: 487, Gallery; Registered on: May 3, 2008; Reply to: 3mph

Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

So sorry Nick...hard to believe that no one saw anything!!

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Oct 12, 2021 1:55:11 PM

Gnil: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: VD, Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 14171, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 11, 2005; Reply to: pgouveia

Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

Learned a lot about traking systems , specially the integrated Car Connect one..... seems to be just a reassurance, unless you have amateurs who steal your car.

Preparing myself to have a fight with the insurance if they don't make an honest offer.

In the mean time, I'm looking at the Ring from the outside, a Ring without any car .

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Oct 12, 2021 2:08:04 PM

Carlos from Spain: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Spain. , Spain; Posts: 21148, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 9, 2003; Reply to: Gnil

Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

That is heartbreaking surprise

Eric, if the insurance gives you a low offer, I would suggest hiring a expert on insurance claims that knows all the tricks. I know one here that used to work for insurances and now he is on the opposite side helping people fight insurances with their claims, I know him from the local Porsche meets and have talked to him about it, the stories he tells of how insurances screw over people are shocking, he knows all their tricks, inside info, small clauses, how judges usually rule in favor of depending, etc. in order to beat them.

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Oct 12, 2021 2:50:23 PM

Pilot: Veteran; Loc: California , United States; Posts: 1238, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 8, 2007; Reply to: Carlos from Spain

Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

Could it be that the bad guys may have planned everything in advance using information from forums like this one and other social media sites?

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Oct 12, 2021 3:53:46 PM

Kobalt: Expert; Loc: Europe , Sweden; Posts: 1819, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 18, 2015; Reply to: Pilot

Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

Eric - I had hood help of a lawyer when my insurance company didn’t cooperate.
I felt that their offer wasn’t right but I didn’t have the language or knowledge to convince them myself.

The lawyer really helped in my case. (Of course it all has to do with what is in the terms of your insurance.)

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Oct 12, 2021 3:54:37 PM

Gnil: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: VD, Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 14171, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 11, 2005; Reply to: Carlos from Spain

Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

Carlos from Spain:
That is heartbreaking

Eric, if the insurance gives you a low offer, I would suggest hiring a expert on insurance claims that knows all the tricks. I know one here that used to work for insurances and now he is on the opposite side helping people fight insurances with their claims, I know him from the local Porsche meets and have talked to him about it, the stories he tells of how insurances screw over people are shocking, he knows all their tricks, inside info, small clauses, how judges usually rule in favor of depending, etc. in order to beat them.

I probably have to wait about a month before the insurance decides to close the case. Thanks for the tip. I could come back to you.

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Oct 12, 2021 3:56:30 PM

Gnil: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: VD, Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 14171, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 11, 2005; Reply to: Kobalt

Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

Kobalt:
Eric - I had hood help of a lawyer when my insurance company didn’t cooperate.
I felt that their offer wasn’t right but I didn’t have the language or knowledge to convince them myself.

The lawyer really helped in my case. (Of course it all has to do with what is in the terms of your insurance.)

I know I might have to do that when the time comes. But I have first to see what it is going to be. I have not even yet looked at my contract.

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Oct 12, 2021 4:02:23 PM

Leawood911: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Kansas, USA , United States; Posts: 6920, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 29, 2006; Reply to: Pilot

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Pilot:
Could it be that the bad guys may have planned everything in advance using information from forums like this one and other social media sites?

Gladstone and I were discussing this over a beer or two last night. Hmmm

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