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Sep 8, 2021 2:23:04 PM

Joost: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Dordrecht , Netherlands; Posts: 8054, Gallery; Registered on: May 3, 2004; Reply to: Gauss

Re: GT4RS

Gauss:

So:

Item 1, no clue, only information: "Pending price negotiation" -> ?
Item 2: first deliveries january '22, no manual transmission -> GT3 RS?
Item 3: announcement November ninth (or September 11?), first deliveries calendar week 3 of 2022, ony narrow wheel base(?) -> ?
Item 4, announcement November 17, first deliveries CW48 of 2021, only saloon available -> New variant of the Panamera? Or of the Taycan?
Item 5: GT4 RS, also confirming a 718 Spyder RS in 2023

Anybody here care to fill in the question marks? I guess with all our combined knowledge we should be able to come far

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Sep 8, 2021 2:59:16 PM

Gauss: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Luxembourg , Luxembourg; Posts: 5822, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 3, 2003; Reply to: Joost

Re: GT4RS

I was also thinking number 2 could be the RS, but Whoopsy mentionned the SportClassic, maybe it's that one?

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Sep 8, 2021 3:05:06 PM

Gnil: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: VD, Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 14171, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 11, 2005; Reply to: Gauss

Re: GT4RS

Gauss:
I was also thinking number 2 could be the RS, but Whoopsy mentionned the SportClassic, maybe it's that one?

Deliveries of RS in January does not follow the usual model. Presentation was always around February or March with first deliveries in June.

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Sep 8, 2021 3:51:02 PM

Boxster Coupe GTS: Rennteam Master; Loc: UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 5884, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 23, 2005; Reply to: Gauss

Re: GT4RS

Gauss:
I was also thinking number 2 could be the RS, but Whoopsy mentionned the SportClassic, maybe it's that one?

Porsche 992 Sport Classic is reportedly expected to be announced in late 2021...

Smiley

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Sep 8, 2021 4:51:29 PM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12586, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: Boxster Coupe GTS

Re: GT4RS

Looks to be first turbocharged Sport Classic, if exhaust placement can be relied upon...

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Sep 8, 2021 4:59:15 PM

the-missile: Rennteam Master; Loc: The World , France; Posts: 3484, Gallery; Registered on: May 10, 2014; Reply to: Grant

Re: GT4RS

Panamera, saloon variant only, will be the Turbo GT like model.

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Sep 8, 2021 5:24:59 PM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: Grant

Re: GT4RS

Grant:
Looks to be first turbocharged Sport Classic, if exhaust placement can be relied upon...

turbo S Sport Classic........Sport Classic is the 911 range topper. Like the Exclusive Series was the range topper for the 991.

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Sep 8, 2021 6:12:16 PM

911tts: Co-Pilot; Loc: Europe , Germany; Posts: 188, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 26, 2016; Reply to: Whoopsy

Re: GT4RS

#3 will be Carrera T

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Sep 8, 2021 6:46:25 PM

the-missile: Rennteam Master; Loc: The World , France; Posts: 3484, Gallery; Registered on: May 10, 2014; Reply to: Whoopsy

Re: GT4RS

Whoopsy:
Grant:
Looks to be first turbocharged Sport Classic, if exhaust placement can be relied upon...

turbo S Sport Classic........Sport Classic is the 911 range topper. Like the Exclusive Series was the range topper for the 991.

The Turbo body with a ducktail that was spied few months ago. 😉

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Sep 8, 2021 7:06:29 PM

911tts: Co-Pilot; Loc: Europe , Germany; Posts: 188, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 26, 2016; Reply to: the-missile

Re: GT4RS

Sport Classic will be presented on the second part of 2022.

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Sep 8, 2021 7:38:20 PM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12586, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: Whoopsy

Re: GT4RS

Whoopsy:
Grant:
Looks to be first turbocharged Sport Classic, if exhaust placement can be relied upon...

turbo S Sport Classic........Sport Classic is the 911 range topper. Like the Exclusive Series was the range topper for the 991.

Thanks!

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Sep 9, 2021 6:22:18 AM

Gnil: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: VD, Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 14171, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 11, 2005; Reply to: Grant

Re: GT4RS

Grant:
Whoopsy:
Grant:
Looks to be first turbocharged Sport Classic, if exhaust placement can be relied upon...

turbo S Sport Classic........Sport Classic is the 911 range topper. Like the Exclusive Series was the range topper for the 991.

Thanks!

But on the above spy photos , it does not look like a Turbo. Body is Carrera.

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Sep 9, 2021 6:40:53 AM

the-missile: Rennteam Master; Loc: The World , France; Posts: 3484, Gallery; Registered on: May 10, 2014; Reply to: Gnil

Re: GT4RS

Gnil:
But on the above spy photos , it does not look like a Turbo. Body is Carrera.

look at the front facia and the lights on front bumper and opening Smiley

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Sep 9, 2021 7:18:08 AM

Gnil: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: VD, Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 14171, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 11, 2005; Reply to: the-missile

Re: GT4RS

the-missile:
Gnil:
But on the above spy photos , it does not look like a Turbo. Body is Carrera.

look at the front facia and the lights on front bumper and opening

With no extra air intakes on the side ? Doesn't the Turbo need them ?

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Sep 9, 2021 8:23:13 AM

hunterone: Senior; Loc: Vienna , Austria; Posts: 582, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 9, 2006; Reply to: Gnil

Re: GT4RS

that means that the car has the 3.0l engine with Turbo Front and Sport Classic back.

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Sep 10, 2021 11:27:57 AM

Gauss: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Luxembourg , Luxembourg; Posts: 5822, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 3, 2003; Reply to: hunterone

Re: GT4RS

Re GT4 RS vs 992 GT3, according to these guys, the steering of the GT4 is less direct than even the previous gen GT3:

What are the chances that Porsche have improved on the steering of the 4RS?

Watch after 10:45

https://youtu.be/DSNkZA7K1ys

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Sep 10, 2021 12:49:03 PM

DaveGordon: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Zürich , Switzerland; Posts: 2774, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 20, 2007; Reply to: Gauss

Re: GT4RS

Curious. I thought the steering was better on the 981 GT4 than it was on the 991 GT3. Felt like it benefited from the more neutral weight balance.

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Sep 10, 2021 3:57:13 PM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: Gauss

Re: GT4RS

Gauss:
Re GT4 RS vs 992 GT3, according to these guys, the steering of the GT4 is less direct than even the previous gen GT3:

What are the chances that Porsche have improved on the steering of the 4RS?

Watch after 10:45

https://youtu.be/DSNkZA7K1ys

On my GT4 CS race car, the steering is no different than in a 991 Cup car. And the CS uses stock steering rack. Unless they had dumbed it down with the 718, which is not possible.

If anything, the GT4CS turns in better than a 991 Cup car. And those Cup cars also uses stock production rack in the first place.

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Sep 10, 2021 4:34:15 PM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12586, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: Whoopsy

Re: GT4RS

Whoopsy:
And those Cup cars also uses stock production rack in the first place.

Yes, for first time in the 992 Cup. Before, they always used hydraulic rack (even when street cars used electric steering). I think RSR still uses hydraulic (with pump spun by electric motor).

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Sep 10, 2021 5:58:53 PM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: Grant

Re: GT4RS

In the end they are all hydraulic racks, the 'electric' steering everyone bashed about is still a hydraulic rack, it's just that the pump no longer being driven by a pump attached to the engine, but an electric motor. literally same system but a different pump is all the difference there is. 🤷🏻‍♂️

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Sep 10, 2021 6:08:38 PM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12586, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: Whoopsy

Re: GT4RS

Whoopsy:
In the end they are all hydraulic racks, the 'electric' steering everyone bashed about is still a hydraulic rack, it's just that the pump no longer being driven by a pump attached to the engine, but an electric motor. literally same system but a different pump is all the difference there is. 🤷🏻‍♂️

No, in the current RSR and the previous Cup they have "Electro-Hydraulic" steering which is a hydraulic steering rack with a hydraulic pump that is turned by an electric motor (instead of from a belt on the crankshaft like most street cars used to have).

But always on the GT4 CS and the new 992 Cup, they use true Electric Power Steering. There are no hydraulic parts at all - the steering is changed by electric servo motors.

And the street GT3 and GT4 have used pure electric steering since the 991.1 and 981...

The only serious super sports cars that still use hydraulic (Electro hydraulic, since e-motor spins pump) is McLaren. I give them credit for prioritizing steering feel above simplicity, economy, and a little weight savings.

I guess EPS probably is more reliable too - no fluid to leak or overheat (the 987 was famous for having the hydraulic power steering overheat on the track - not been a problem with EPS in the 981 and 991).
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Sep 10, 2021 8:23:54 PM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: Grant

Re: GT4RS

Ah ha, you dive DEEP into them indecision kiss

Out of all the cars I have ever driven, not counting the race cars, I would say I like the Speciale, my 12C, my 918. In no particular order. But I do really like the super quick rack on the Speciale. The 991.1 GT3RS was great too. Oh and my 4C.

Another interesting note, the 991.2 Cup car feels better than the 991.1 Cup car.

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Sep 10, 2021 10:45:46 PM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12586, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: Whoopsy

Re: GT4RS

Whoopsy:
Ah ha, you dive DEEP into them

Yeah, I’m not well indecision

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Sep 18, 2021 11:57:42 AM

Gnil: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: VD, Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 14171, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 11, 2005; Reply to: Grant

Re: GT4RS

People are starting to get calls here from dealers to get ready for orders. Seems official launch is imminent.

Still rumors, but what comes out here is that base price could be CHF 145k, with options count CHF165k

470 HP, and maybe 2 options of gearbox.

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Sep 18, 2021 2:47:20 PM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12586, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: Gnil

Re: GT4RS

That would be a very fair price, since GT4 is CHF 123k

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Sep 19, 2021 3:31:39 PM

bluelines: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Argovia , Switzerland; Posts: 11655, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 29, 2005; Reply to: Gnil

Re: GT4RS

Gnil:
People are starting to get calls here from dealers to get ready for orders. Seems official launch is imminent.

Still rumors, but what comes out here is that base price could be CHF 145k, with options count CHF165k

470 HP, and maybe 2 options of gearbox.

964 Carrera 4 -- 997.2 C2S , -20mm -- 991.2 GT3 RS

Smiley

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Sep 19, 2021 8:50:32 PM

996FourEss: Veteran; Loc: London , United Kingdom; Posts: 802, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 15, 2011; Reply to: bluelines

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470 hp. Wow

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Sep 19, 2021 11:37:49 PM

Targa Tim: Expert; Loc: Vancouver, BC, Canada , Canada; Posts: 1475, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 3, 2005; Reply to: Gnil

Re: GT4RS

Gnil:
People are starting to get calls here from dealers to get ready for orders. Seems official launch is imminent.

Still rumors, but what comes out here is that base price could be CHF 145k, with options count CHF165k

470 HP, and maybe 2 options of gearbox.

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manual will be fun kiss

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Sep 20, 2021 7:28:42 AM

Gnil: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: VD, Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 14171, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 11, 2005; Reply to: Targa Tim

Re: GT4RS

Targa Tim:
Gnil:
People are starting to get calls here from dealers to get ready for orders. Seems official launch is imminent.

Still rumors, but what comes out here is that base price could be CHF 145k, with options count CHF165k

470 HP, and maybe 2 options of gearbox.

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manual will be fun

Only rumors. The 470 HP rumor is a bit more serious.

The manual option is much more uncertain. Confusing informations for the moment. It is only a ''possibility''

If we refer to what AP said a few years back, RS will only offer what is the fastest.

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Sep 20, 2021 8:14:32 AM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59580, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: Gnil

Re: GT4RS

Last rumor I heard about the GT4 RS (early 2021) said "500 hp or slightly less". So 470 hp could be possible but I guess not less. PDK is very likely, no clue about manual.

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