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Mar 8, 2005 11:13:27 AM
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Why would taking a car built for the tract TO the track void the warranty?
good question, too bad porsche has a stupid arse answer for it. apparently autocrossing (goofing around in a parking lot with cones with your PCA club) is enough to void it.
Mar 14, 2005 3:57:22 AM
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Dr. Phil said:
Why would taking a car built for the tract TO the track void the warranty?
good question, too bad porsche has a stupid arse answer for it. apparently autocrossing (goofing around in a parking lot with cones with your PCA club) is enough to void it.
Ben, theres gotta be a way to get around that...they cant catch everyone
Mar 14, 2005 9:16:05 AM
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Dr. Phil said:
Why would taking a car built for the tract TO the track void the warranty?
good question, too bad porsche has a stupid arse answer for it. apparently autocrossing (goofing around in a parking lot with cones with your PCA club) is enough to void it.
Have they actually voided anyone's warranty for tracking/autocross, especially a CGT?
And correct me if i'm wrong, but i was under the impressions that the race cars are not insured either?
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ben, lj said:Quote:
Dr. Phil said:
Why would taking a car built for the tract TO the track void the warranty?
good question, too bad porsche has a stupid arse answer for it. apparently autocrossing (goofing around in a parking lot with cones with your PCA club) is enough to void it.
Have they actually voided anyone's warranty for tracking/autocross, especially a CGT?
And correct me if i'm wrong, but i was under the impressions that the race cars are not insured either?
yep, voided the engine warranty on a 2004 996 here in san diego and used the local PCA autocross results with his name in it as grounds.
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Ben, theres gotta be a way to get around that...they cant catch everyone
Has Porsche reached such a low state that its customers now have to drive its products in secrecy and fear?
yep
1) Is there a way to notify other customers who are not readers of these forums? Perhaps an article in a Porsche magazine and in a major automobile publication to get this issue out?
2) What percentage of customers take their Porsches to autocross and track events? If the 996 Cabriolet Tiptronic is/was the best selling Porsche model and epitomizes the average Porsche owner, does this mean Porsche knows exactly what it is doing by jilting the enthusiasts on warranties?
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Ryan in SD said:
Ben, theres gotta be a way to get around that...they cant catch everyone
Has Porsche reached such a low state that its customers now have to drive its products in secrecy and fear?
yep
1) Is there a way to notify other customers who are not readers of these forums? Perhaps an article in a Porsche magazine and in a major automobile publication to get this issue out?
2) What percentage of customers take their Porsches to autocross and track events? If the 996 Cabriolet Tiptronic is/was the best selling Porsche model and epitomizes the average Porsche owner, does this mean Porsche knows exactly what it is doing by jilting the enthusiasts on warranties?
don't know about #1, but #2 is probably a reflection of porsche's (poseur) target market these days (V6 Cayennes and as you say AWD automatic convertible 911s). the enthusiasts make up such a smart part of the customer base these days and many of those are GT2, GT3, and CGT buyers. this group will still likely get hosed by porsche if autocrossing or tracking but the hope is these models are built to take a little more pushing than the other models.
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What about trackdays arranged by official Porsche dealers?
Will that void warranty, too?
This whole thing sounds so silly to me.
Sounds like Porsche dont believe in their own product when push comes to shove.
I guess they have a moral problem on their hands when trying to beat the NB trackrecord in a CGT then?!?!? 
Will that void warranty, too?
This whole thing sounds so silly to me.
Sounds like Porsche dont believe in their own product when push comes to shove.
I guess they have a moral problem on their hands when trying to beat the NB trackrecord in a CGT then?!?!?
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What about trackdays arranged by official Porsche dealers?
Will that void warranty, too?
yep, however they have no problem beating the schit out of these cars (100% track use and it starts before they're even broken in) and then selling them through the porsche dealer network with the balance of the factory warranties:
http://www.porschedriving.com/
Mar 15, 2005 2:38:47 PM
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Are there any manufacturers who allow track use without voiding the warranty?
Nope.
Funny, can't but suspect some hidden intentionality in it but the way some here are speaking here of Porsche warranty and tracking you are being lead to think that Porsche is the only maker that doesn't but the truth is NONE DO. There is no official coverage of tracking in any maker's warranty. Its unofficially normally done so though.
Normally warranty won't be voided (in Porsche or anyother maker) unless the claim is unreasonable like a but clucth from drag racing or a type II over rev at the track, but there will always be a ass of a dealer or local rep that will do things the wrong way and void your warranty using a track event as an excuse. That is wrong IMO but no maker's warranty covers tracking officially. Its a right ALL manufactures reserve themselves to protect themselves. But unofficially its usually not a problem except in some particualr cases. Just in case, I wouldn't advertise it no matter what car you drive, wetehr its a 911, an M3 or a F360, you never know and you can't trust ANY maker.
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Are there any manufacturers who allow track use without voiding the warranty?
ferrari. and even GM has said they will cover occassional track use in the upcoming Z06. then again, those two companies actually race. can't wait from the new 4 door from porsche.
Mar 15, 2005 4:26:58 PM
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I'm afraid not Ben... is its specifically WRITTEN in the warranty? Is there a clause that says that track events are covered in the warranty? Nope. Its still a gentleman's agreement wether they will cover a claim after tracking. Just like Porsche or any other maker.
The closest thing is GM and their Z06 specifically were its rumored that they will not specifically mention that clasue that track use voids warranty, but its still not specifically written that it is covered. Nevertheless its a step foward by GM and I hope more makers catch on.
The closest thing is GM and their Z06 specifically were its rumored that they will not specifically mention that clasue that track use voids warranty, but its still not specifically written that it is covered. Nevertheless its a step foward by GM and I hope more makers catch on.
Mar 15, 2005 5:31:07 PM
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I'm afraid not Ben... is its specifically WRITTEN in the warranty? Is there a clause that says that track events are covered in the warranty? Nope. Its still a gentleman's agreement wether they will cover a claim after tracking. Just like Porsche or any other maker.
The closest thing is GM and their Z06 specifically were its rumored that they will not specifically mention that clasue that track use voids warranty, but its still not specifically written that it is covered. Nevertheless its a step foward by GM and I hope more makers catch on.
at least ferrari has gentlemen :-) porsche NA on the other hand (at least in san diego), denies, denies, denies. one buddy had a master cylinder claim denied simply because the "infered" he was tracking since he had ATE fluid.
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Mar 15, 2005 9:55:11 PM
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Well, I'm glad I'm not in San Diego then, that sucks.
yep, same dealer in conjunction with PCNA denied warranty coverage for a badly smoking engine on an '04 996 C2 because the owner participated in the local parking lot autocrosses. they didn't care that he brought the car in shortly after it was bought new but before it ever hit the parking lot but was told it was "normal" and not to worry about it.
Mar 16, 2005 7:16:31 AM
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Well, I'm glad I'm not in San Diego then, that sucks.
yep, same dealer in conjunction with PCNA denied warranty coverage for a badly smoking engine on an '04 996 C2 because the owner participated in the local parking lot autocrosses. they didn't care that he brought the car in shortly after it was bought new but before it ever hit the parking lot but was told it was "normal" and not to worry about it.
You have endless negative Pcar stories...makes me teary eyed
Mar 16, 2005 7:46:53 AM
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Generally, even with other marques, people who track their cars make sure the new brake fluid is close to the same color as the stock fluid, same colored shock bodies with aftermarket shocks, black springs, etc. Sometimes little things like that help, but these days you really have to protect yourself. Items beyond reason should be the customer's responsibility of course...
Recall Mitsubishi looking up autox results on the internet to void Evo 8 warranties? By contrast, I've heard of Lotus dealers turning the other cheek a few times (within reason), but I expect that to change as times goes by...
Recall Mitsubishi looking up autox results on the internet to void Evo 8 warranties? By contrast, I've heard of Lotus dealers turning the other cheek a few times (within reason), but I expect that to change as times goes by...
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