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    Useless PSM on my 986????

    Just challenged the extremely bad weather here in Denmark today.
    We had sleet, snow, ice, wind...the works.
    Had to drive 40 km (appr. 28 miles) back from a meeting, and the trip was an accident waiting to happen.
    After thaw yesterday we had frost today, and combine that with heavy snowfall and you get...tadah! The NHL automotive playoffs.
    There were cars in every single ditch in sight and people drove 25 km/h (appr.17 mph) tops.
    Being the proud owner of a spaceage technical piece de resistance with PSM, ABS, PCMCMPMC, MSMD and not to mention WTERTS44%, I felt pretty confident that this was no task for my Boxey.
    But hell, did I wake up and smell the coffee!
    Everytime I tried to even THINK about touching the speeder, the car would slide sideways at 3 km/h!! I mean SIDEWAYS while standing almost still!
    Between 0-15 km/h in 1st gear the PSM has absolutely no effect what so ever. None.
    After that it sets in with its hallmark shake, rattle and roll and makes sure I dont make a total fool of myself in the slick.

    It took me nearly TWO hours to drive the 40 km home in these treacherous conditions, partly because of extremely slippery ice-covered roads (like nothing ive ever seen) but also because of my Boxeys inability to get a grip.
    Heck, I was even "dragracing" a Skoda! And he won easily!...and I had to stop trying to follow a gigantic tow-truck on the freeway after he gave me the slip...at 45 mph!?!?!?!

    Maybe I was simply being the most cautious and sensible of the drivers out there today, and maybe I was overtly worried about denting my precious car...but I have never ever had such a hard time driving any car as I did mine today. It was simply all over the place the moment I added just one gramme too much to the weight on my right foot. And yes, I drove in 3rd, 4th and 5th gear most of the time.

    Please tell me if this is just the downside to a mid-engine car...or that the Boxey was never meant for these conditions.
    The car is the best I have ever driven on dry tarmac (even beats the 360 Spider when it comes to handling IMO), but the suckiest I have ever tried in this weather.

    Can I adjust the PSM, or is this just the way it is?

    Re: Useless PSM on my 986????

    Put some chains on that car and try it again.

    Re: Useless PSM on my 986????

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    Dr. Phil said:
    Please tell me if this is just the downside to a mid-engine car...or that the Boxey was never meant for these conditions.
    The car is the best I have ever driven on dry tarmac (even beats the 360 Spider when it comes to handling IMO), but the suckiest I have ever tried in this weather.



    What tires are you on?

    Re: Useless PSM on my 986????

    Tires: Falken Eurowinter something, 225/45-17. Should be fine, and they are in normal wet, cold conditions, but ice aint their thing it would seem.
    Of course no normal winter tire can cope with ice, but the car just feels ridiculously useless in these conditions compared to all other cars in traffic today. Sure, they were all slippin and slidin, but I was going slower than everyone.
    I guess the bliss of rear wheel-drive and mid-engine has its flipside?

    Re: Useless PSM on my 986????

    Mid-engine
    The low polar moment of inertia that you love in summer, bites you in the tushy in winter.

    Re: Useless PSM on my 986????

    I drive my Boxster S '03 in snow and icy conditions almost every day now in Switzerland. I have no traction control nor PSM. Because I have the wide 255 tires on the back, driving away from a standstill needs a sensitive right foot, but after that it's a blast to drive even uphill on snowy icy conditions, no problem, while other cars (even frontwheel) cars spin their wheels. I use the N rated Pirelli Snowsport and I can only recommend them
    Zürich

    Re: Useless PSM on my 986????

    Quote:
    Dr. Phil said:
    Tires: Falken Eurowinter something, 225/45-17. Should be fine, and they are in normal wet, cold conditions, but ice aint their thing it would seem.




    FALKEN!! Don't remember seeing them in the list of tried, tested and approved tires?

    Re: Useless PSM on my 986????

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    fritz said:
    FALKEN!! Don't remember seeing them in the list of tried, tested and approved tires?


    They actually make some damn fine summer sports tires, so I figured the same applied to their winter collection...and I don't think they are the real problem. I think sleet + mid-engine = uh-oh!

    Re: Useless PSM on my 986????

    One word - tyre, tyres, tyres !

    Re: Useless PSM on my 986????

    Quote:
    boothy said:
    One word - tyre, tyres, tyres !



    That's three words?

    Re: Useless PSM on my 986????

    Quote:
    Dr. Phil said:
    Quote:
    boothy said:
    One word - tyre, tyres, tyres !



    That's three words?




    Wazza matta, Lazza?

    U tyred of of seeing tyre?

    Re: Useless PSM on my 986????

    Quote:
    Dr. Phil said:
    Quote:
    fritz said:
    FALKEN!! Don't remember seeing them in the list of tried, tested and approved tires?


    They actually make some damn fine summer sports tires, so I figured the same applied to their winter collection...and I don't think they are the real problem. I think sleet + mid-engine = uh-oh!




    If it's not the tires it must be the driver then...

    But seriously, think we have a little bit more snow and ice in Switzerland than Denmark. I take the Boxster S in the mountains every weekend without problem. A Boxster with good winter tires is a great car in the snow, lots of fun!
    Zürich

    Re: Useless PSM on my 986????

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    Zürich said:
    [If it's not the tires it must be the driver then...
    But seriously, think we have a little bit more snow and ice in Switzerland than Denmark. I take the Boxster S in the mountains every weekend without problem. A Boxster with good winter tires is a great car in the snow, lots of fun!
    Zürich



    Truth be told it was VERY icey and slippery a few days ago. I saw audi Quattros going sideways at 5 kmh and FWD cars slipping all over. I was just surprised that my car would turn on its axis when a wee bit too much throttle was applied at very low speed.
    I drove it today in soapy-snow/slush conditions, and it worked fine, but still pretty jittery in corners and at accel.

    Im amazed you can drive you 986 on Swiss winter roads with no problems.
    The conditions we had this week were indeed very similar to Switzerland.
    30 cm of snow fell in a matter of hours and underneath it was a coat of ice.
    Yikes!

    Guess I have to realize that my 986 aint a LandRover

    Re: Useless PSM on my 986????

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    W8MM said:
    Wazza matta, Lazza?
    U tyred of of seeing tyre?



    Just for that remark I've dispatched my highly trained posse of former member of the Danish Hunter Soldiers scratch-key hitmen (SEALS are sissies compared).
    Destination: Cincinnati
    Mission objective: Decorate yellow cars made of plastic and carbon fiber with "PIMP" signature.
    You try inventing a radar for THAT!
    Muahahahaha (sinister laugh)...MUAHAHAHHHAHAHHHHHAAAH!

    PS: They will however abort their mission if offered a cup of Latte with a sprinkle of cinnamon.
    Found out too late that they were also trained by Richard Simmons.
    Minor flaw in my brilliant plan...

    Re: Useless PSM on my 986????

    Looks like the 911 can go in the snow
    http://www.canada.com/montreal/montrealg...e7-c28aea6f342f

    Re: Useless PSM on my 986????

    Quote:
    Dr. Phil said:
    Quote:
    boothy said:
    One word - tyre, tyres, tyres !



    That's three words?




    It was one word, three times

    How's the winter driving going now ?

    Re: Useless PSM on my 986????

    Quote:
    boothy said:
    How's the winter driving going now ?



    Oh, winter seems to be over so I switched to 18" perfomance tires. YEEEHAW! This car just gets better everytime I drive it! Dry tarmac and new rubber = Fun, fun, fun!

     
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