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Re: Fold Exhaust The End in Europe?
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Sorry, now I get it... 
We already discussed it here, cars with a certification after July 1st 2016 could be seriously affected by these new laws.
Actually, cars with more than 272 hp per ton(!) weight can sound louder, 76db.
From 2022 on only 74dB and from 2026 on only 72 dB as far as I remember.
Systems using flaps to control sound are basically forbidden starting with July 1st 2016 but apparently car manufacturers found a way to circumvent this. However, it will be much harder and basically impossible for third party exhaust manufacturers (tuners).
Again, this is valid for cars "certified" (type certification after development) after July 1st 2016. This could affect only models starting to show up next year because the 2016 cars usually have been certified already (just a guess though, depends on the particular model).
Yes, cars get quieter, this is a fact and car manufacturers could actually start to produce "louder" cars for different markets.
My new R8 V10 Plus produces 96.6 dB during maximum acceleration 
according to the Italian Quattroruote magazine. For comparison: The new 991.2 Turbo S produces only 82.3 dB during maximum acceleration.
I think I am going to keep my R8 when the lease ends. 
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its a Tesla law...
Re: Fold Exhaust The End in Europe?
RC:We already discussed it here, cars with a certification after July 1st 2016 could be seriously affected by these new laws.
You think the 991.2 GT3 will make it before these restrictions? Does it help that the same motor and other parts already exist in other certified models?
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Re: Fold Exhaust The End in Europe?
And people wonder why these restrictions came... 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-1EHUrLUIs
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Re: Fold Exhaust The End in Europe?
Grant:RC:We already discussed it here, cars with a certification after July 1st 2016 could be seriously affected by these new laws.You think the 991.2 GT3 will make it before these restrictions? Does it help that the same motor and other parts already exist in other certified models?
I don't really know but I think car manufacturers have found, for now, a way to circumvent the new laws. This may change soon though when the respective authorities start to adapt and complaints start to pile up. I'd say that the cars coming this year and maybe next year should be still sounding OK but afterwards...only god knows.
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Re: Fold Exhaust The End in Europe?
RC:And people wonder why these restrictions came...
Where I live, by far the loudest vehicles are motorcycles (Harley's with straight pipes are particularly common and unsettling late at night).
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Jul 19, 2016 7:59:33 PM
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Carlos from Spain
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Re: Fold Exhaust The End in Europe?
yeah, motorcylces are ridiculous sometimes, but ironically its the loudest are usually the ones that do not need a "sport" exhaust, like slow fat Harleys or even scooters 
That said, there is a certain security element with loud exhaust on bikes and that is that a loud exhaust makes you be seen much better than not by cars and pedestrians, it really makes a difference and can save you skin sometimes, I'm speaking from experience... but sometimes its too much, and its not the same having an Akrapovich on a hyperperformance sportbike, than a Harley with almost open exhaust for nothing, or a scooter to gain 1 more HP 
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Jul 19, 2016 8:08:19 PM
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Re: Fold Exhaust The End in Europe?
Carlos from Spain:yeah, motorcylces are ridiculous sometimes, but ironically its the loudest are ussually the ones that do not need a "sport" exhaust, like slow fat Harleys or even scooters
Two weeks ago, I drove behind a Harley in my R8 with my son. The guy on that Harley was a member of the local Hell's Angels charter (he had the logo and everything on his back). He stopped at a red light and then started playing with the gas. It was absolutely INSANE, we felt our car vibrating and shaking(!), the sound was unbelievable loud and it felled like a "pressure" hitting us. Maybe someone here knows what kind of exhaust that was, absolutely INSANE!!!
Funny part: After that, that guy turned around (he had a full faced black mask in front of his face and under the short helmet, looked pretty scary) and he put his flat hand on his ear as if he wanted to say "let me hear you, buddy". 
I was way too excited to react and my son was kind of angry because I didn't accelerate too. I took a different road afterwards, didn't want to play any games with this guy, especially with my son in the car. He seemed nice but...
That said, there is a certain security element with loud exhaust on bikes and that is that a loud exhaust makes you be seen much better than not by cars and pedestrians, it really makes a difference and can save you skin sometimes, I'm speaking from experience... but sometimes its too much, and its not the same having an akrapovich on a hyperperforming sportbike, than a Harley with almost open exhaust for nothing, or a scooter to gain 1 more HP
Scooters are pretty loud over here, they sound like amplified farts and are sometimes pretty annoying. Also heavy trucks or busses. I may be biased though.
However, if people are standing at the red light and press the throttle at idle ALL THE TIME (not only once or twice to show off the sound), people get angry and this is why the new laws came. OK, maybe not the only reason but it just isn't polite to do that inside a city with many people and houses around you, it sounds way too loud and annoying.
Last weekend I fully accelerated in a tunnel and didn't see the pedestrians and a bicycle rider on the right sidewalk before it was too late. The bicycle rider kept his left ear covered and the pedestrians didn't look too happy either. I felt sorry about it and will pay more attention, so things like that don't happen anymore. People like a good sound on a car but not like that.
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Jul 19, 2016 8:25:40 PM
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RC:
However, if people are standing at the red light and press the throttle at idle ALL THE TIME (not only once or twice to show off the sound), people get angry and this is why the new laws came.
I don't get why people do this, I think its embarrassing to rev the car when stopped, I would never do that, not even if people walking by or in another car ask me to which may happen from time to time, but I wont if I'm stopped. The only time occasionally I may do this is when my wife is with me to tease her and watch her blush red from embarrassment and my daughter laugh
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