Crown

Board: Porsche Language: English Region: Worldwide Share/Save/Bookmark Close

Forum - Thread

    Feb 19, 2005 5:25:59 PM

    MKW
    Rennteam Pro
    MKW
    Loc: Palo Alto and North Lake Tahoe , United States
    Posts: 2491, Gallery
    Registered on: Nov 22, 2002

    " The Carrera GT Sedan "

    Taken from a mole's report ( FWIW ) posted at autospies.com . Now if Porsche truly made a car that is to the 4dr sports sedan world as the Carrera GT is to the sports car world , I may have to put myself on another list , esp with slightly detuned C-GT V10 to go up against the M5 V10 ! Gotta use that motor for something , after the C-GT run is done . There could be two versions- 500 hp Turbo V8 and 600 hp wailing V10 -yumm. OTOH, if they ruin it's image with V6 and hybrid power to expand the volume with factory incentives , then it's just another mid-sized German sedan line- yuck.

    "Dear 001,

    During my recent trip to Germany I stopped into one of the Porsche dealers and one of the Porsche reps was there making his regular visit.

    As I was browsing near the manager's office I overheard the rep say that the 4-door M5 killer is now definitely a go!

    He mentioned that it would be in dealers in LESS than two years!

    He kept describing it using the term 'the Carrera GT sedan'...

    Sounds delicious to me!

    Signing off,

    The Dan from UNCLE "

    Feb 19, 2005 6:01:22 PM

    Ron (Houston)M
    Rennteam Moderator
    Ron (Houston)
    Loc: Houston, TX , United States
    Posts: 8812, Gallery
    Registered on: Apr 10, 2002
    Reply to: MKW

    Re: " The Carrera GT Sedan "

    If Porsche is smart they would use AUDI RS6 engine and modify it to their specs which will save them a lot of development time as opposed to brand new engine design; kind of like Aston with Jag engine.

    Spend the time on refining it not redesigning the engine.

    Then concentrate on a nice, kick ass design that would attract a lot of people. My 2 cents.

    Feb 19, 2005 6:18:04 PM

    MKW
    Rennteam Pro
    MKW
    Loc: Palo Alto and North Lake Tahoe , United States
    Posts: 2491, Gallery
    Registered on: Nov 22, 2002
    Reply to: Ron (Houston)M

    Re: " The Carrera GT Sedan "

    The time frame mentioned above does suggest they will use an existing chassis like the A6/Passat - not exactly known as the class leader is driving dynamics when compared to the 5 series underpinnings , so what we may end up with is the equivalent of the Cayenne/Q7/Touareg triumvirate in all it's marketing positioning and confusing to consumer overlap, since these 3 cars brands are often sold in the same store in the US.

    Feb 20, 2005 9:30:57 PM

    svtrader1
    Veteran
    svtrader1
    Loc:
    Posts: 821, Gallery
    Registered on: Oct 17, 2003
    Reply to: Ron (Houston)M

    Re: " The Carrera GT Sedan "

    What's wrong with a cayenne turbo engine? Is the Rs6 engine much better?

    Feb 20, 2005 10:18:05 PM

    Ron (Houston)M
    Rennteam Moderator
    Ron (Houston)
    Loc: Houston, TX , United States
    Posts: 8812, Gallery
    Registered on: Apr 10, 2002
    Reply to: svtrader1

    Re: " The Carrera GT Sedan "

    Quote:
    svtrader1 said:
    What's wrong with a cayenne turbo engine? Is the Rs6 engine much better?



    Well, I'm not supposed to elaborate on that but the Cayenne engine is not a full product of Porsche either .

    Feb 20, 2005 10:39:18 PM

    Ferdie
    Rennteam VIP
    Ferdie
    Loc: Europe , Germany
    Posts: 8234, Gallery
    Registered on: Jul 2, 2004
    Reply to: MKW

    Re: " The Carrera GT Sedan "

    Quote:
    MKW said:
    The time frame mentioned above does suggest they will use an existing chassis like the A6/Passat - not exactly known as the class leader is driving dynamics when compared to the 5 series underpinnings , so what we may end up with is the equivalent of the Cayenne/Q7/Touareg triumvirate in all it's marketing positioning and confusing to consumer overlap, since these 3 cars brands are often sold in the same store in the US.



    True, but unlike the Cayenne/Touareg chassis a limousine basis is much more promising in terms of dynamics. Besides that I assume the above mentioned chassis are not a bad choice at all, I'd suspect their lack of driver enthusiasm is rather due to specific suspension tuning than a fundamental flaw. I'd be curious to know the torsional rigidity of those chassis and if Porsche will modify it extensively.

    In fact the aluminium A8 chassis'd look most interesting and challenging to me but if Wiedeking and his fellas would risk their effort on that one?

    Feb 21, 2005 7:47:22 AM

    svtrader1
    Veteran
    svtrader1
    Loc:
    Posts: 821, Gallery
    Registered on: Oct 17, 2003
    Reply to: Ron (Houston)M

    Re: " The Carrera GT Sedan "

    Quote:
    Ron (Houston) said:
    Quote:
    svtrader1 said:
    What's wrong with a cayenne turbo engine? Is the Rs6 engine much better?



    Well, I'm not supposed to elaborate on that but the Cayenne engine is not a full product of Porsche either .



    Awe, say no more. thanks

    Feb 21, 2005 2:24:29 PM

    The Groom
    Expert
    The Groom
    Loc: EU
    Posts: 1779, Gallery
    Registered on: Jan 23, 2005
    Reply to: MKW

    Re: " The Carrera GT Sedan "

    Quote:
    MKW said:
    The time frame mentioned above does suggest they will use an existing chassis like the A6/Passat


    Don't worry, this is definitely NOT going to happen.

    Feb 21, 2005 3:48:41 PM

    MKW
    Rennteam Pro
    MKW
    Loc: Palo Alto and North Lake Tahoe , United States
    Posts: 2491, Gallery
    Registered on: Nov 22, 2002
    Reply to: The Groom

    Re: " The Carrera GT Sedan "

    Quote:
    The Groom said:
    Quote:
    MKW said:
    The time frame mentioned above does suggest they will use an existing chassis like the A6/Passat


    Don't worry, this is definitely NOT going to happen.




    Good news if that's the case. Otherwise, the car, no matter how good, will forever be dismissed by other brand supporters as a dressed up VW/Audi , like a certain other P product and to a certain extent the 924/944 if you recall .

    Feb 21, 2005 4:05:04 PM

    The Groom
    Expert
    The Groom
    Loc: EU
    Posts: 1779, Gallery
    Registered on: Jan 23, 2005
    Reply to: MKW

    Re: " The Carrera GT Sedan "

    It might have actually happened. At a point, VW intended to build a RWD sports limousine. As VW is Porsche's "natural partner", it might have evolved into a joint VW/Porsche project.
    However, VW cancelled it. They are in financial troubles right now, and have little money for a low-volume flagship. The very idea of an exclusive "people's car" is silly anyway, just ask them about the Phaeton!

    AFAIK the "4th product range" is 100% Porsche. People whose family outgrew their 911 but dislike SUVs are going to love it.

    Feb 21, 2005 7:57:21 PM

    MKW
    Rennteam Pro
    MKW
    Loc: Palo Alto and North Lake Tahoe , United States
    Posts: 2491, Gallery
    Registered on: Nov 22, 2002
    Reply to: The Groom

    Re: " The Carrera GT Sedan "

    Quote:
    The Groom said:

    AFAIK the "4th product range" is 100% Porsche. People whose family outgrew their 911 but dislike SUVs are going to love it.



    Do you mean it may be " station wagon " - like . i.e., with a squared off rear hatch ? ( Like the coming MBZ R class ? ) Inquiring minds would like to know . Thanks in advance.

    Feb 21, 2005 11:11:05 PM

    The Groom
    Expert
    The Groom
    Loc: EU
    Posts: 1779, Gallery
    Registered on: Jan 23, 2005
    Reply to: MKW

    Re: " The Carrera GT Sedan "

    No, it won't be a station wagon. Think MB CLS instead.
    If I wanted a Porsche with a rear hatch, I'd buy a 911 Targa.

    Feb 22, 2005 5:06:26 PM

    MKW
    Rennteam Pro
    MKW
    Loc: Palo Alto and North Lake Tahoe , United States
    Posts: 2491, Gallery
    Registered on: Nov 22, 2002
    Reply to: The Groom

    Re: " The Carrera GT Sedan "

    Quote:
    The Groom said:
    No, it won't be a station wagon. Think MB CLS instead.




    Like this ?

    Feb 24, 2005 8:14:55 PM

    livesforspeed81
    Newbie
    livesforspeed81
    Loc: Boston, MA
    Posts: 14, Gallery
    Registered on: Feb 23, 2005
    Reply to: MKW

    Re: " The Carrera GT Sedan "

    That's nice in theory, so where does the motor go??
     
    Edit

    Forum

    1. All 

    Boards

     
    Board Subject Last post Rating Views Replies
    Porsche Sticky SUN'S LAST RUN TO WILSON, WY - 991 C2S CAB LIFE, END OF AN ERA (Part II) 4/17/24 7:16 AM
    GnilM     		777887 1798
    Porsche Sticky Welcome to Rennteam: Cars and Coffee... (photos) 4/7/24 11:48 AM
    Boxster Coupe GTS     		441963 565
    Porsche Sticky OFFICIAL: Cayman GT4 RS (2021) 5/12/23 12:11 PM
    W8MM     		262904 288
    Porsche Sticky OFFICIAL: Porsche 911 (992) GT3 RS - 2022 3/12/24 8:28 AM
    DJM48     		261136 323
    Porsche Sticky The new Macan: the first all-electric SUV from Porsche 1/30/24 9:18 AM
    RCA     		85387 45
    Porsche Sticky OFFICIAL: Taycan 2024 Facelift 3/15/24 1:23 PM
    CGX car nut     		5669 50
    Porsche The moment I've been waiting for... 2/1/24 7:01 PM
    Pilot
     
     
     
     
     
    		 880809 1364
    Porsche 992 GT3 7/23/23 7:01 PM
    Grant     		816334 3868
    Porsche Welcome to the new Taycan Forum! 2/10/24 4:43 PM
    nberry     		391072 1526
    Porsche GT4RS 4/21/24 11:50 AM
    mcdelaug     		390229 1454
    Others Tesla 2 the new thread 12/13/23 2:48 PM
    CGX car nut     		372407 2401
    Porsche Donor vehicle for Singer Vehicle Design 7/3/23 12:30 PM
    Porker     		369035 797
    Porsche Red Nipples 991.2 GT3 Touring on tour 4/11/24 12:32 PM
    Ferdie     		289304 668
    Porsche Collected my 997 GTS today 10/19/23 7:06 PM
    CGX car nut
     
     
     
     
     
    		 261429 812
    Lambo Huracán EVO STO 7/30/23 6:59 PM
    mcdelaug     		240288 346
    Lotus Lotus Emira 6/25/23 2:53 PM
    Enmanuel     		230652 101
    Others Corvette C8 10/16/23 3:24 PM
    Enmanuel     		221268 488
    Others Gordon Murray - T.50 11/22/23 10:27 AM
    mcdelaug     		169402 387
    Porsche Back to basics - 996 GT3 RS 6/11/23 5:13 PM
    CGX car nut     		141164 144
    BMW M 2024 BMW M3 CS Official Now 12/29/23 9:04 AM
    RCA     		117658 303
    Motor Sp. 2023 Formula One 12/19/23 5:38 AM
    WhoopsyM     		108716 685
    Porsche 2022 992 Safari Model 3/7/24 4:22 PM
    WhoopsyM     		84248 239
    AMG Mercedes-Benz W124 500E aka Porsche typ 2758 2/23/24 10:03 PM
    blueflame     		75136 297
    Porsche 992 GT3 RS 3/3/24 7:22 PM
    WhoopsyM     		53718 314
    Motor Sp. Porsche 963 3/16/24 9:27 PM
    WhoopsyM     		25128 237
    Ferrari Ferrari 296 GTB (830PS, Hybrid V6) 1/21/24 4:29 PM
    GT-Boy     		21178 103
    BMW M 2022 BMW M5 CS 4/8/24 1:43 PM
    Ferdie     		19509 140
    AMG G63 sold out 9/15/23 7:38 PM
    Nico997     		16591 120
    AMG [2022] Mercedes-AMG SL 4/23/24 1:24 PM
    RCA     		13760 225
    Motor Sp. 24-Hour race Nürburgring 2018 5/25/23 10:42 PM
    Grant     		11262 55
    126 items found, displaying 1 to 30.