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Feb 7, 2005 7:16:11 PM

Dock (Atlanta): Pilot; Loc: Atlanta, Georgia; Posts: 386, Gallery; Registered on: May 1, 2002; Reply to: ljd 924SE

Re: Launch date 997 Turbo

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ljd 924SE said:i'm anxiously awaiting the 997TT, not for purchase, but simply to help me afford an X50 996TT.

That sounds like a good plan, and very cost effective. If you install X73 on the car you'll have a tremendous Turbo. It will also have *huge* growth potential in the engine through aftermarket modifications.

The X50

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Feb 8, 2005 12:29:26 AM

lavaman23: Junior; Loc:; Posts: 81, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 4, 2004; Reply to: Dock (Atlanta)

Re: Launch date 997 Turbo

Not sure why some of you always refer to Nurgburgring lap times to define the supposed superiority of a new model as the be all and end all. There would be something very wrong if Porsche don't improve with each successive evolution of any model - I couldn't care less if the 996 Turbo laps slower than a 997 C2S (I don't drive the car to Nurgurgring everyday in Scotland so don't really factor when I purchase a car), I recently drove one and then took a 996 Turbo and will not be using my deposit for a 997 C2S, it'll either be a 996 GT3 MK2 or 996 TT.

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Feb 8, 2005 12:33:38 AM

Moogle: Rennteam Master; Loc: Bay Area , United States; Posts: 5019, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 9, 2003; Reply to: lavaman23

Re: Launch date 997 Turbo

i too am in love with the 9x6 generation

the only 997 that piques my interest is the TT

when it comes out i may buy it, otherwise, i will skip the 997 generation entirely.

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Feb 13, 2005 11:23:58 AM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59590, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: turbolite

Re: Launch date 997 Turbo

Maybe "presented" to the public but not introduced.

Yes, the 490 HP sound right.

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Feb 14, 2005 12:13:26 PM

turbolite: Veteran; Loc: Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 1012, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 26, 2004; Reply to: RC

Re: Launch date 997 Turbo

RC, any idea when the gt3 will be launched ? do you think it might be possible that Porsche comes out with tt and gt3 at the IAA ?? or rather the gt3 in Geneva?
and a suggestion: why dont you start a 997 turbo board rightaway? guess we'll be able to fill it with threads pretty quickly..

cheers turbolite

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Feb 15, 2005 6:56:51 AM

dr_sam: Junior; Loc:; Posts: 120, Gallery; Registered on: May 11, 2004; Reply to: Moogle

Re: Launch date 997 Turbo

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Moogle said:
i too am in love with the 9x6 generation

the only 997 that piques my interest is the TT

when it comes out i may buy it, otherwise, i will skip the 997 generation entirely.

thank you for the advice

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Feb 16, 2005 10:22:11 PM

CF: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Florida , United States; Posts: 1113, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 30, 2003; Reply to: dr_sam

Re: Launch date 997 Turbo

GT3 and 997 Turbo - May 2006
Boxster Coupe C7 - Deliveries start september 2005
997 C4 and C4S both (Widebody) - Deliveries September 2005

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Feb 16, 2005 10:37:49 PM

Joost: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Dordrecht , Netherlands; Posts: 8054, Gallery; Registered on: May 3, 2004; Reply to: CF

Re: Launch date 997 Turbo

CF: how can the deliveries of the C7 and C4 and C4S start coming septembre? That is pretty soon!
-Joost-

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Feb 16, 2005 11:12:32 PM

Carlos from Spain: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Spain. , Spain; Posts: 21152, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 9, 2003; Reply to: Joost

Re: Launch date 997 Turbo

The reason for the widebody is for the Trubo machinery, and in the carrera is purely aesthetical-fake, so a carrera widebody out this year before the Turbo itself? that would be a shocker! in a bad way I mean

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Feb 17, 2005 1:11:19 AM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59590, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: Joost

Re: Launch date 997 Turbo

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Joost said:
CF: how can the deliveries of the C7 and C4 and C4S start coming septembre? That is pretty soon!
-Joost-

Yes, CF is right.

Would you like to see them later?

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Feb 17, 2005 2:05:17 AM

palenimbus: Expert; Loc: Baden-Württemberg, Germany; Posts: 1824, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 6, 2004; Reply to: RC

Re: Launch date 997 Turbo

RC, is CR also correct about the GT3 and Turbo release dates? Are they both being released at the same time?

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Feb 17, 2005 8:19:53 AM

Joost: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Dordrecht , Netherlands; Posts: 8054, Gallery; Registered on: May 3, 2004; Reply to: RC

Re: Launch date 997 Turbo

No, it just strikes me, I had not expected them that early. That implies that we are going to see the first official news about it soon! wohoo!!!!

Thanks for the good news CF and RC!

-Joost-

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Feb 18, 2005 9:39:18 AM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59590, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: Joost

Re: Launch date 997 Turbo

I didn't post any news, did I?

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Feb 18, 2005 8:07:04 PM

mcdelaug: Expert; Loc: Fort Worth, Texas , United States; Posts: 1919, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 3, 2004; Reply to: Joost

Re: Launch date 997 Turbo

I for one think that an introduction of the non-turbo widebody 997 models this fall, before the Turbo next year, is entirely possible and even likely.

Why?

Well, building the non-turbo widebodies requires little more than taking the 997 currently in production and changing some of the rear sheetmetal, as well as implementing the AWD system (which may not be significantly different from the 996 series). Since the profit per vehicle will be higher than the C2 and C2S, Porsche has a powerful incentive for bringing the widebodies to market ASAP.

While it may be traditional for Porsche to release the non-turbo widebodies after the turbo is out, it makes more sense from a marketing perspective to release the non-turbo versions first. This 'crescendo' of models to the turbo creates its own form of anticipation in Porsche's current and potential customers, as evidenced in this thread if nowhere else. It also gives Porsche time to tweak the DSG transmission and any other features that will be introduced on the turbo. We've already heard in another post that Walter Rohrl is devoting most his time to tuning the turbo's suspension, and getting your flagship model perfect should be a priority for any company. But I suspect that the development time required for the non-turbo widebodies is minimal given that their performance envelope is similar to the C2 and C2S.

Anyway, just my opinion,

mcdelaug

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Feb 18, 2005 10:13:26 PM

The Groom: Expert; Loc: EU; Posts: 1779, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 23, 2005; Reply to: mcdelaug

Re: Launch date 997 Turbo

From a marketing perspective, it makes more sense to wait, so as to give the 997 a mid-career boost.
Sales usually drop once novelty wears off, so Porsche would have to do something to prevent this.

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Feb 19, 2005 8:13:40 PM

Ferdie: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Europe , Germany; Posts: 8234, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 2, 2004; Reply to: mcdelaug

Re: Launch date 997 Turbo

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Well, building the non-turbo widebodies requires little more than taking the 997 currently in production and changing some of the rear sheetmetal, as well as implementing the AWD system (which may not be significantly different from the 996 series). Since the profit per vehicle will be higher than the C2 and C2S, Porsche has a powerful incentive for bringing the widebodies to market ASAP.
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I am curious how much of the styling cues developed for the 997 TT will be visible on the Carrera Widebody versions...

Dock, YOU are talking about a modified car which sacrifices comfort and reliability for comfort and durability. That's no assumption but a fact. A 996 X50 with sport suspension might be great and nobody forces you to buy a new model but I am VERY sure that the 997 will have significant advantages over its predecessor.

Besides that the 997 doesn't seem to be heavier than the 996 if you compare current magazine datas, is it? I could also imagine that Porsche will introduce a significant amount of lightweight materials for essential parts to reduce the weight - something they haven't done significantly on the 996 TT.

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Feb 19, 2005 9:07:00 PM

Rookie: Co-Pilot; Loc: Berlin, Germany; Posts: 268, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 12, 2002; Reply to: The Groom

Re: Launch date 997 Turbo

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From a marketing perspective, it makes more sense to wait, so as to give the 997 a mid-career boost.
Sales usually drop once novelty wears off, so Porsche would have to do something to prevent this.

Sure ... but your sales figures are behind expectations ... even in the U.S ... ?!

My opinion ... you'll have to support your dealership ... BMW, Mercedes, Audi etc. are doing so ... if you stay back ...you won't sell ?!

Or you have to add more value to your products ... more HP could be a first step ... the coming M3 will have 400 HP from the start ...

Greetz

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Feb 20, 2005 10:38:07 PM

donnyj: Newbie; Loc:; Posts: 30, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 25, 2003; Reply to: Sydney

Re: Launch date 997 Turbo

Porsche will be able to make 500 ponies with their powerkitted TT

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Feb 20, 2005 10:41:49 PM

Ferdie: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Europe , Germany; Posts: 8234, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 2, 2004; Reply to: donnyj

Re: Launch date 997 Turbo

Donny, is this your car?

I saw some interior pics (suppose it's the only one in the superman combo

) of it a couple of month ago.

I have to say the overall black exterior is stunning, especially in comparison to red leather!

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Feb 21, 2005 1:33:25 PM

The Groom: Expert; Loc: EU; Posts: 1779, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 23, 2005; Reply to: Rookie

Re: Launch date 997 Turbo

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Rookie said:
My opinion ... you'll have to support your dealership ... BMW, Mercedes, Audi etc. are doing so ... if you stay back ...you won't sell ?!

Or you have to add more value to your products ... more HP could be a first step ... the coming M3 will have 400 HP from the start ...

I was talking about introducing widebody versions. Show me the BMW widebodies

As for the HP figures, the 993 and the 996 did get mid-career HP boosts, didn't they?

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Feb 21, 2005 1:37:26 PM

Joost: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Dordrecht , Netherlands; Posts: 8054, Gallery; Registered on: May 3, 2004; Reply to: The Groom

Re: Launch date 997 Turbo

Yup, that's DonnyJ's car.
-Joost-

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Feb 22, 2005 3:44:49 AM

bostonmini: Veteran; Loc:; Posts: 924, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 31, 2003; Reply to: Joost

Re: Launch date 997 Turbo

groom...993 power boost? I think in US it was 408 DIN HP all along no?

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Feb 22, 2005 9:21:12 AM

The Groom: Expert; Loc: EU; Posts: 1779, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 23, 2005; Reply to: bostonmini

Re: Launch date 997 Turbo

You're right. I was talking about normally-aspirated 911 (272 to 285 HP for the 993, 300 to 320 HP for the 996).

As for Turbos, it was the optional power kit that got upgraded. Or, you could get a Turbo S after a couple years.

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Mar 28, 2005 1:03:48 AM

CAD: Newbie; Loc: Canada; Posts: 5, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 25, 2005; Reply to: Dock (Atlanta)

Re: Launch date 997 Turbo

Doc,
My local dealer laughed at me when I asked if the 997TT would do a sub 4 second 0-60. He said I should be thinking sub 3.5 second

I suspect he was inhaling something other than Marlboroughs.
KenW

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Mar 28, 2005 3:09:43 AM

aj996tt: Newbie; Loc: Richardson, TX, USA; Posts: 23, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 20, 2005; Reply to: CAD

Re: Launch date 997 Turbo

Well, I hope that the 997TT is THAT GOOD! Maybe will get one, but don't plan on ever selling the 996 Turbo S.

My suspicion is that the 997TT will, just as the 996TT did, outpace the main competition- Ferrari (430/360), Viper, Z06, Aston Martin. Porsche has been the king of the base supercar for about a decade, and I doubt that PAG is ready to relinquish the title.

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Apr 1, 2005 12:05:25 AM

Bitko: Pilot; Loc: Toronto, Canada , Canada; Posts: 388, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 25, 2004; Reply to: aj996tt

Re: Launch date 997 Turbo

KenW, are you from Toronto. Downtown Porshe, they told me that they wouldn't get 997Turbo until Spring of 2007

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Apr 1, 2005 4:16:28 AM

CAD: Newbie; Loc: Canada; Posts: 5, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 25, 2005; Reply to: Bitko

Re: Launch date 997 Turbo

Bitko,
I'm in Oakville. It was Downtown Porsche that fed me the 3.5second line.

Looks like Canada is being treated as a third world country by Porsche.

They'll probably ship 997TT's to Greece before Canada sees any!!

KenW

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Apr 1, 2005 10:31:21 PM

GFORCED: Newbie; Loc: Newport Beach, CA; Posts: 32, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 17, 2004; Reply to: aj996tt

Re: Launch date 997 Turbo

Sounds about right to me, given the X50's time of 3.6. Add 40Hp and it should be there.

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Apr 2, 2005 1:18:43 AM

svtrader1: Veteran; Loc:; Posts: 821, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 17, 2003; Reply to: GFORCED

Re: Launch date 997 Turbo

You're assuming the 997 won't gain any weight.

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Apr 2, 2005 11:03:43 AM

Crash: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Never been to , Antarctica; Posts: 8287, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 17, 2002; Reply to: svtrader1

Re: Launch date 997 Turbo

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svtrader1 said:
You're assuming the 997 won't gain any weight.

Even if it adds weight it will have big, fat tyres to help its 0-60 times.

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