Feb 5, 2005 9:02:01 PM
Feb 6, 2005 1:30:04 AM
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RC said:
I even heard 320 HP for the Cayman but I hope this isn't true for the sake of the 997 Carrera. Porsche might not realize it yet but the Cayman will heavily damage 997 Carrera and maybe even Carrera S sales.
In my opinion, the Cayman doesn't make ANY sense but I'm not a marketing pro.
Or maybe Porsche wants to offer some "base" models (Boxster, Boxster S, Carrera, Carrera S) and more special models like the Cayman, GT3, Turbo, etc. for a different type of customer.
Time will tell but I'm still not convinced that this strategy will help, on the contrary.
Porsche may not realize it but they whole company still lives from the 911 "myth". If they neglect the 911 or even offer products which compete with it directly, it could mean trouble in paradise.
Feb 6, 2005 12:31:07 PM
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Just thought I'd pass on this information. One of the directors of Porsche Club GB has just got back from a factory visit and said that the Boxster engine assembly line had a sign above it that said 2.7l, 3.2l and 3.4l. The 3.4l is obviously going to be for the new coupe.
Feb 6, 2005 5:58:52 PM
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Just thought I'd pass on this information. One of the directors of Porsche Club GB has just got back from a factory visit and said that the Boxster engine assembly line had a sign above it that said 2.7l, 3.2l and 3.4l. The 3.4l is obviously going to be for the new coupe.
Hmmm, and now that I was almost ready to put down a deposit for a Boxster S.... If I knew that the Cayman was going to cost between the S and the Carrera 3.2 then I would have no problem buying the S now. Problem is that we still don't have any idea how much more the 3.4 will cost over the 3.2 S.
Decisions, decisions, decisions
Feb 6, 2005 6:14:06 PM
Feb 6, 2005 6:41:28 PM
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RC said:
I even heard 320 HP for the Cayman but I hope this isn't true for the sake of the 997 Carrera. Porsche might not realize it yet but the Cayman will heavily damage 997 Carrera and maybe even Carrera S sales.
In my opinion, the Cayman doesn't make ANY sense but I'm not a marketing pro.
Or maybe Porsche wants to offer some "base" models (Boxster, Boxster S, Carrera, Carrera S) and more special models like the Cayman, GT3, Turbo, etc. for a different type of customer.
Feb 6, 2005 7:51:47 PM
Feb 6, 2005 8:00:14 PM
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RC said:
I even heard 320 HP for the Cayman but I hope this isn't true for the sake of the 997 Carrera. Porsche might not realize it yet but the Cayman will heavily damage 997 Carrera and maybe even Carrera S sales.
In my opinion, the Cayman doesn't make ANY sense but I'm not a marketing pro.
Or maybe Porsche wants to offer some "base" models (Boxster, Boxster S, Carrera, Carrera S) and more special models like the Cayman, GT3, Turbo, etc. for a different type of customer.
I think the 911 die-hearts remain loyal to the 911 ; even though Cayman may offer same/higher hp than the base 911 it won't carry the same prestige as the 911.
Believe it or not majority of the 911 drivers drive the 911 for its stature than what this car can really do.
My feeling is that, as fanch said, like the new CLS it opens up a new venture for Porsche; won't necessarily steal 911 owners nor Boxster open top lovers.
But time will tell .
Feb 7, 2005 7:13:47 PM
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J.Seven said:
Hi Steven, do you still have the Boxster 2.7L ?
What about the Beltronic, has it save you from this guys
PS- Be careful, this is A1
Feb 9, 2005 7:33:50 PM
Feb 14, 2005 1:34:38 AM
Feb 14, 2005 2:17:37 AM
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and now they want a premium on the coupe over the BoxsterS!
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and now they want a premium on the coupe over the BoxsterS!
Keep in mind the model will be more powerful and also with little details like 18 in standard, better brakes, etc.
It's more than a Boxster coupe IMO, a Boxster coupe would retain all the details of the Boxter line up but with a fixed roof, and paying more for that would indeed be a mistake.
I think the upcoming coupe will target proper driving enthousiasts, it will be a good performer, more powerful than a Boxster S (marginally but still...) and also slightly lighter I think, hopefully between 60 to 80 kgs less, should be good for 0 to 100 kmh in 5.2 secs.
Feb 14, 2005 2:25:57 PM
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Peter H(Chicago) said:
The focus group agreed that they would be willing to buy the coupe if it were $2.5K under the BoxsterS. Apparently there were not many happy P car owners there, as most were
upset with the heavy 996 depreciation and the lack of significant improvements on the 997 to justify the cost
differential. None were willing to spend $55-60K for a
Boxster Coupe as a replacement. I wonder what PCNA will end up doing?
Peter
04 GT3
01 996TT (daily driver & loving every minute of it this winter!)
Feb 14, 2005 2:45:27 PM
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Thanks for the "feedback", Peter.
I'm afraid I already know the answer, the Cayman will be situated between the Boxster S and the 997 Carrera. I hope I'm not right but...
Feb 14, 2005 3:58:55 PM
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Peter H(Chicago) said:
Apparently there were not many happy P car owners there, as most were upset with the heavy 996 depreciation and the lack of significant improvements on the 997 to justify the cost differential.
None were willing to spend $55-60K for a
Boxster Coupe as a replacement. I wonder what PCNA will end up doing?
Peter
04 GT3
01 996TT (daily driver & loving every minute of it this winter!)
Feb 14, 2005 4:29:10 PM
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Ron (Houston) said:Quote:
Peter H(Chicago) said:
Apparently there were not many happy P car owners there, as most were upset with the heavy 996 depreciation and the lack of significant improvements on the 997 to justify the cost differential.
None were willing to spend $55-60K for a
Boxster Coupe as a replacement. I wonder what PCNA will end up doing?
Peter
04 GT3
01 996TT (daily driver & loving every minute of it this winter!)
Thanks for the info Peter. Let me shed some light on the resale value that seems to have upset many P owners. There a few factors that causes the low resale value and to point out a few is:
1) The lease factor that has been introduced in the car industry has played a major role in the resale value of the cars. When the dealer sells/leases the car they know that after 3 or 5 years they'll get so many cars back and essentially they NEED to get rid of them and they can't just sit in the lot; so the prices start to drop in order to move the cars. And also the residual value they give you at the time of purchase is just an estimate and they know there is so much human, time, and economical factors involved that it'll fail to remain the same by the time the lease is up. In essence Leasing a car makes it very affordable for those that couldn't afford Porsche before (me included) hence, it affects the resale value. If you look at the 993 you'll notice that they didn't make as many as 996 and also the leasing options at the time were not as versatile as they are today.
2) Porsche is trying to become a main stream manufacturer (Which is not bad at all) a la MB, BMW, AUDI and so forth... even though Porsche is technologically way superior. Exclusivity (except CGT and GT3 RS) doesn't play a factor in keeping the price up in Porsche line up; therefore this factor would be another substantial one that drives the resale value down.
If anyone buys Porsche for its resale value I believe it is a mistake. Just look at the companies that are mass manufacturer such as MB and BMW, do their cars resale any better, I think not.
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As far as resale values are concerned......I think your a little off. Compare lets say a BMW M3 with the same year Boxster/996 and you will see a huge diff in resale value.....most 1 or 2 year old M3s with a few miles on them sell within sniffing range of their original MSRP.
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As far as resale values are concerned......I think your a little off. Compare lets say a BMW M3 with the same year Boxster/996 and you will see a huge diff in resale value.....most 1 or 2 year old M3s with a few miles on them sell within sniffing range of their original MSRP.
What island are you living on