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zacharie said:
Hello,
I've always been very fond of the whale tail of the 993tt. Do you think that there will be a chance to get a spoiler of this shape for the 997 from any aftermarket part dealer?
Thank you for your comments.
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MMD said:
Why put something on the car that has no reason to be there?
well there could be many reasons, some people just like something different, others are trying to make their car something that it is not to attract more attention... the list goes on.
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Moogle said:
the spoiler retracting is there to preserve the lines of the car when travling slow, and for no other reason.
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Moogle said:
its quite ironic, porsche has a policy of form following function.
the spoiler retracting is there to preserve the lines of the car when travling slow, and for no other reason.
seems like they went back on their own rule a bit...
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Moogle said:
the spoiler retracting is there to preserve the lines of the car when travling slow, and for no other reason.
That is not necissarily true though. At lower speeds, a spoiler does not work effectively as a spoiler but has a lot of drag, thus influencing the performance in a negative way at low speeds (Effects will be hardly noticable I think, but it could be used as an arguement to retract the spoilers
-Joost-
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MMD said:We nver use it legally in the USA anyway, why look at it all the time?
OTOH, if you hav to have wings and fins you might as well put a few torpedo and afterburner accents on it too.
Feb 7, 2005 2:13:50 PM
Quote:I'm right there with you. I thought the whale tail was the coolest thing in the 70's and early 80's, which was of course, when I was also dealing with acne and riding a bicycle for transportation. Nowadays, it's just a distraction from what otherwise is a beautiful and classic form. One of the reasons I've not been able to warm up to the TT's, are the tails and the big intake holes in the rear 1/4 flares. You take a lovely and clean design, and hack it all up, of course for function, but....
I thought I liked it since it was so novel lookig at the time. But now I gotta say it's just not very attractive looking.
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MMD said:We nver use it legally in the USA anyway, why look at it all the time?
OTOH, if you hav to have wings and fins you might as well put a few torpedo and afterburner accents on it too.
Yeah, well, there's a whole planet outside US, and people there sure make use of the effects provided by the wings and fins.
What about the US tracks?:)
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Yargk said:
The point is that at low speeds the wing does nothing, so it doesn't hurt to lower it, but at the same time, there is no point to lower it. So the motors and electronics that work to lower it are all for show, they have no function besides aethetics. And on the 911 shape, the wing REDUCES drag. The fast moving air coming down from the roof along those classic 911 lines produces BOTH lift and parasitic drag. So the wing does no wrong, it both decreases lift and decreases drag. I just wish they would come out with a tasteful spoiler and ditch the retractable silliness.
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manu said:
any spoiler always increases drag, but otherwise decreases lift and the flow what come from the roof will find a grate and faster exit if the spoiler is down, cause the rear turbulences will decrease and this is even more important in terms of aerodynamics than getting into air and in this items the 911 has the best possible silhouette
greets
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Yargk said:
The abrupt drop off actually reduces drag although in a counterintuitive way.
Feb 8, 2005 2:08:48 PM
Quote:Silly is in the eye of the beholder (I find spoilers to be silly, and welcome any system or manner that they can be eliminated or retracted), and regardless of who's argument is the most valid, the words "tasteful" and "spoiler" are so often mutually exclusive within the context of the 911's bodystyle. The weight and complexity of the retractable system is negligable, not even worthy of discussion, and it allows the car to look attractive and classy at lower speeds. It's a win-win in my opinion, you get the job done without permanently "Countach-ing" the rear of the car. There's a point where racing functionality oversteps its bounds on a road car. After all, who would want to drive a Chaparral-inspired design???
I just wish they would come out with a tasteful spoiler and ditch the retractable silliness.
Feb 8, 2005 2:23:35 PM
Feb 8, 2005 6:18:22 PM
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zacharie said:
If I am not wrong there's a correlation betweenn the choice of wing and the fromt bumper shape [roughly]. So what's the point of buying only an aftermarket spoiler without a new front?
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manu said:
but i still think that the 911's drop off is better for aerodynamics, well as you say decreases drag but not lift,